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Famous Bible Verse Too Sizzling for Facebook
World Net Daily ^ | 2/26/2018 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 02/26/2018 6:03:04 PM PST by Maudeen

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To: Yosemitest

“’Saved’ you say ? That depends on what you mean by ‘Saved’.”

This was your reply to my earlier comment: “you do NOT accept
that ANY FORMER homosexuals have been SAVED by the GOSPEL.”

And you bring up passages about being born again and the resurrection: John 3:1-21 & 1 Corinthians 15:50.

I have already laid out the basic message of the Gospel of Salvation. In post #34 I mentioned it 18 times where I distinguished between the Gospel of Grace and the Law, and 9 times in post #31 where I gave a seven-point definition of the Gospel message. I also answered your questions regarding leading someone to Christ and calling on the Lord for salvation.

Being born again, as described in John 3, is not about being resurrected bodily at the return of Christ. Those who hold this view are in the minority, are at odds with the historicity of the interpretation of the passage, and are doing violence to the text in order to force it to fit in some odd system of doctrinal aberration.

Since you like Matthew Henry, an excellent Bible scholar, I will refer you to his commentary on the passage:

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/john/3.html

Here he describes being born again as “to be born to a divine and heavenly life, a life of communion with God and the upper world, and, in order to this, it is to partake of a divine nature and bear the image of the heavenly.” He describes its necessity as “the new nature, which is spirit, must take rise from a second birth.” He describes it as the regeneration of the soul (not body).

In contrast with the idea that the rebirth under discussion being somehow about the body, he points out the error of Nicodemus’s thinking this: “His weakness in knowledge; what Christ spoke spiritually he seems to have understood after a corporal and carnal manner, as if there were no other way of regenerating and new-moulding an immortal soul than by new-framing the body, and bringing that back to the rock out of which it was hewn, as if there was such a connection between the soul and the body that there could be no fashioning the heart anew but by forming the bones anew.”

Being born again is how a sinner becomes a child of God.

So... back to the question at hand: what is salvation?

The name above all names, Jesus, means Savior. He was called Jesus because He would save His people from... THEIR SINS.

Matthew 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Salvation is first and foremost salvation from SINS.

Salvation is a process. It begins with fertile soil of a heart prepared to receive it through the tilling process of the Law of God. The Law of God is revealed in the writings of Moses (and other scriptures), and in nature, and written on the hearts of men. When the heart is properly prepared and does receive the seed of the word in the form of the Gospel, the first element of salvation occurs: faith.

Salvation includes:
1. justification,
2. sanctification, and
3. glorification.

Justification is the imputing of Christ’s righteousness to the penitent believer. It is salvation from the penalty of sin. It is salvation from God’s wrath.

Sanctification is the part of salvation by which we are being saved from the power of sin presently through the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer.

Glorification is the part of salvation that will be completed when our body, soul, and spirit are fully conformed with the image of Christ when He returns.

Jesus saves us from sin, slavery, death, and hell. After hearing and believing the Gospel, the spiritual rebirth is the starting point of this “Christian” journey.

And before this journey ever begins, we are ALL sinners, under the judicial sentence of divine wrath. This includes homosexuals and heterosexuals. Sinners must become aware of their sinful state before God and His divine judgment in order to understand their need for SALVATION. This is the purpose of Law. Once a person understands their condemnation, it is possible for them to be enlightened to the hope of the Gospel message of SALVATION from sin, bondage, death, and hell.

Once a person believes on Christ for salvation, they begin the journey that ultimately leads to being transformed into the image of Christ, beginning with confession of sins, calling on the Lord Jesus, being baptized, and becoming part of the fellowship of a local congregation of fellow-believers.

Salvation is the work of God, not a work of the flesh. It is accomplished in the believer through God’s sovereign will by which He has ordained for the elect to not only believe the Gospel but to patiently persevere through inevitable trials, do good works, and produce the fruits of righteousness.

John 1:12-13
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.


41 posted on 03/08/2018 10:16:03 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner
I SAY AGAIN There will be NO HOMOSEXUALS ( NOT ONE ) in the afterlife.
They WILL BE ASHES UNDER the soles of your feet ! ! !

I will remind you again that:
42 posted on 03/16/2018 11:28:40 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

“I SAY AGAIN THERE WILL BE NO ... and I repeat ... NO HOMOSEXUALS IN HEAVEN !”

And I say again there will be NO LIARS in Heaven.

If you claim that I have made ANY statement contradicting the teaching that God does not allow homosexuals OR liars into Heaven, then YOU ARE A LIAR.

And if that is NOT what you are claiming, then why do you keep repeating yourself over and over?

And what kind of follower of Christ can hear the clear, plain, God-breathed message of God concerning salvation in Christ and NOT say “AMEN!”?

Instead you oppose yourself and contradict. You have a serious sin problem with which God is NOT pleased.

The Law you trust in can not save you. That Law condemns you as a SINNER. Keeping one or two points of the Law—the ones about homosexual lust and sex—does not make you righteous or godly. Not by a long shot. I have repeatedly pointed out the seriousness and severity of the sins of pride, stubbornness, and unrepentance. God hates these even MORE than the sin of homosexuality.

1 Samuel 15:22b-23a
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.

Proverbs 6:16-19
These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

I am nobody. But all that I said, I said from the authority of the Word of God. So you clearly have a problem with this message which God Himself has sealed concerning the salvation that is in His Son Jesus.

You have treated the Gospel message with contempt. By doing so, you insult the sacrifice of Christ and the power of God for salvation. You are trifling with the Word of God, and showing contempt for the grace and goodness of God that lead to repentance and salvation.

God will vindicate me in this matter. He will reprove you for your folly and mockery of the Gospel.

Romans 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Romans 8:32-34
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Galatians 1:6-9
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

1 Timothy 1:5-11
Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he [i.e. the Lord Jesus] is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.


43 posted on 03/17/2018 2:28:54 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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