Viva la Reagan Revolucion!
Posted on 10/16/2017 4:10:10 PM PDT by SJackson
In the new normal of 2017, in which far-right and far-left militants clash openly in America’s public square, a contentious 20th century debate is newly relevant: is the extreme left as dangerous and repugnant as the extreme right? Should the hammer and sickle be as offensive as the swastika? Was Communism as evil as Nazism — a question sure to generate plenty of heat as we approach the 100th anniversary of the Russian revolution?
Conservatives have long complained of a double standard for Nazi and Communist crimes. To manyon theleft, on the other hand, equating Communism and Nazism is an obscenity bordering on Nazi apologism. Some whose life’s work is focused on the Holocaust, such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Ephraim Zuroff, also object to what they see as a pernicious false symmetry.
It is a question of particular personal relevance to me, as a Jew born in Soviet Russia, where I lived until coming the United States as a teenager in 1980. There were victims of both Communist and Nazis barbarism in my own family. My paternal grandparents were survivors of Stalin’s gulag, imprisoned for trying to escape to Israel and thankfully released early because of Stalin’s death. My father’s uncle was killed in one of Hitler’s death camps.
In the closet-dissident, mostly Jewish milieu where I grew up, the belief that Stalin was as bad as Hitler and that Communism was Nazism’s equally odious twin was entirely commonplace. More than that: there was a not-uncommon view that Communism in its Stalinist incarnation was worse. To a large extent, this reflected the influence of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, whose works (especially “The Gulag Archipelago”) were clandestinely and reverently read, and who was quoted as an authority on Communism’s higher body count and greater cruelty.
Later, in the United States, I had the jarring experience of seeing American liberals use “anti-Soviet” and “anti-Communist” as pejoratives, and frustrating conversations with people who thought Ronald Reagan’s description of the Soviet Union as an evil empire was crude warmongering.
But I also encountered the fact that the crimes of Communism were sometimes used to minimize the Holocaust or suggest that the mass murder of Jews was getting too much attention. At worst, those parallels were given an overtly anti-Semitic twist by people who blamed Communist mass murder on “Jewish Bolsheviks,” suggesting a moral equivalence not just between Communists and Nazis but between Jews and their persecutors. (Such arguments now flourish on the “alt right,” with references to the “Jewish Holodomor” — the Ukrainian terror-famine of 1932-33 — as a counterpart to the Holocaust; never mind that by 1932, the twelve-person Soviet Politburo bolsheviks had precisely one Jewish member.)
Today, I agree with Elie Wiesel’s judgment, in his 1975 essay “Why Solzhenitsyn Troubles Me” (published in the 1978 collection, “A Jew Today”) that there is something troubling about Solzhenitsyn’s tendency to treat the Holocaust as a lesser crime than Stalin’s butchery. However, Wiesel’s point was not to dismiss Communism’s crimes as lesser, but to argue that “there is a limit in evil beyond which comparisons are no longer relevant.” And in a 2004 interview, he observed that Communism was similar to Nazism in its conviction that the end justifies murderous means.
For many, it’s the ends that make a key difference. As British historian Orlando Figes wrote in his 1997 book, “A People’s Tragedy: The Russian Revolution 1891-1924,” Communism is viewed as an expression of “humanity’s historic striving for social justice and comradeship,” a noble dream turned to horrific nightmare. Nazism, on the other hand, stood for racial supremacy and brutal oppression of “lower” races. Thus, Figes argues, the Communist experiment inspires some sympathy or at least respectful understanding, while the Nazi project “can only fill us with revulsion.”
But how meaningful is this distinction? Figes himself shows that from the first days of the Revolution, terror was an essential part of Bolshevik creed, enthusiastically embraced by Vladimir Lenin and his comrades-in-arms. Mass murder of the “class enemy” was openly and explicitly advocated, not only as revolutionary strategy but as a tool of social transformation.
“We must win over to our side 90 million of the 100 that populate Soviet Russia. There is no talking to the rest — they must be eliminated,” declared Grigory Zinoviev, Bolshevik leader and close Lenin associate, at the September 1918 Petrograd conference of the Russian Communist Party. Two years later, fellow revolutionary (and in less than two decades, fellow victim of Stalin’s terror machine) Nikolai Bukharinwrote, “Proletarian coercion in all its forms, from executions by shooting to compulsory labor, is, paradoxical though it may sound, a method of molding Communist humanity out of the human material of the capitalist era.”
What’s more, the Soviet ideal of a brotherhood beyond ethnic and racial lines often turned, in practice, to systematic persecution of populations seen as more loyal to their own kind than to the Communist fraternity — be it Ukrainians in the early 1930s or Jews in the late 1940s and early 1950s. (Had Stalin lived a little longer, Soviet Jews might well have faced mass deportation to Siberia, a de facto death sentence for many.)
Conversely, Nazi racial supremacism was often masked with proclamations of freedom, brotherhood and justice for (German) workers. It’s no accident that one of the most popular songs of the Russian revolution — “Bravely, O Comrades, march onward” — was adopted as a hymn by the Nazis with barely changed lyrics, except for a line extolling Hitler and a reference to corruption by Jewish gold. Likewise, a look at Soviet and Nazis posters shows a strikingly similar esthetic.
The Holocaust was a unique evil in its diabolical attempt at the total annihilation of a people. Nazism created death camps, while the camps of the gulag were not specifically intended to kill — though in at least some of them, quickly working people to death seems to have been a deliberate policy.
Stalinism had its own distinct evils, including random terror that struck down even those most loyal to the regime. An ordinary German who either supported the Nazi regime or took no interest in politics generally had no reason to fear arrest. In the Soviet Union under Stalin, as British writer Martin Amis wrote in his eccentric but fascinating 2002 study, “Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million,” “Everyone was terrorized, all the way up: Everyone except Stalin.” (“Koba” was Stalin’s nickname in his revolutionary days; twenty million is a low-end estimate of Soviet Communism’s human toll.)
You could be arrested and sent to the gulag because someone denounced you for an absurd reason: the aunt of a family friend of ours in Moscow was imprisoned because someone reported that she played a funeral march on the piano the day Bukharin was shot. Or a scapegoat could be needed for production problems at the factory where you worked. My maternal grandfather, a Party member and an aviation engineer, sometimes said to my grandma, “If they arrest me, please don’t believe that I’m an enemy of the people.”
In “Koba the Dread,” Amis struggles with the difference between attitudes toward Communism and Nazism and concludes that, on a visceral level, the “species shame” at the human capacity for monstrous deeds is “deeper in the case of Germany.” He attributes this partly to the Nazis’ “biomedical” approach to extermination.
And yet Amis also notes ways in which Communism was the worse poison: for instance, it destroyed civil society—social bonds and institutions independent of the state—in a way Nazism did not, which made recovery from Nazism easier. Moreover, “Nazism could not be duplicated” (other fascist states did not even come close); on the other hand, “Bolshevism was exportable, and produced near-identical results elsewhere.” Indeed, the Communist experiments in China and Cambodia were far more barbaric than in the Soviet Union, both in terms of total state control over everyday life and in terms of mass slaughter.
Still, sympathy for the noble dream persists; even outright Communist apologetics can still be found on the progressive left. Three years ago, Salon.com ran a piece by activist Jesse Myerson titled “Why you’re wrong about communism,” supposedly a debunking of Americans’ “huge misconceptions” on the subject (but actually a hodgepodge of excuses and red herrings).
In 1999, a group of historians published “The Black Book of Communism,” a monumental examination of the crimes of Communist regimes. Left-wing journalist Daniel Singer took them to task in The Nation for a one-sided approach that left out the good things: “There was also enthusiasm, construction, the spread of education and social advancement for millions.” Singer was particularly dismayed because he felt that the authors were using Communism’s record to discourage belief in “collective action and the possibility of radical transformation” and promote resignation to the way things are.
But liberal democracy, for all its (currently glaring) flaws, already allows for collective action and social change. And Communism’s record should indeed be a warning against the pursuit of “radical transformation,” especially by violent means — as much as Nazism should be a warning against the dangers of militant nationalism rooted in ethnic or racial identity.
The goals of communism, and left-wing radicalism in general, may not be as blatantly repugnant as the goals of Nazism, fascism, and right-wing radicalism. But that makes left-wing radicalism more seductive to men and women of good will — and in that sense, perhaps, most dangerous.
i’ve been a lurker/FReeper for several years now. This has been one of the most cogent/thoughtful threads I can remember. The stated similarities between communism and facism are, in general, timely and precise. The idiots of antifa have no idea of what they profess. Brownshirts is brownshirts.
Viva la Reagan Revolucion!
“Under the German Nazis, Krupp continued on as long as he supported the regime.
Under communism, they would have taken Krupp, killed off its officers and took full control of the production. It is true Marxism.”
That’s why I think that the Nazi formula is more dangerous today. In fact I think a comparison to your Nazi/Krupp would be Socialist obama/Insurance Companies. So far, Americans have held that no way should the Government be in control of healthcare (communism). So instead, they take away our rights with Nazi-like obamacare.
See my tagline for a great booklet on FDR’s New Deal. Although FDR was for Communism - I think he tried dressing it up more as “National Socialism” - or NAZI philosophy.
Good post. It actually explains a lot about Marx.
Odd is it not, that those that have wrecked havoc on mankind often grew up in luxury as defined in that time.
I have a lot of papers that says I am an educated man. The best courses in education were learned on a drilling rig as a roughneck. I worked for stern but good men.
Their education levels were minimal. They wanted for me and the other young men that worked for them not to have to do what they did to provide for their families. They gave us jobs every summer when we were going to university. They worked us hard on the job. If we did not work properly and hard we were fired.
Those were damn good men. Some of them were WWII Vets. They knew what hard times were. I am most grateful to them.
Socialism is an old way of thinking indigenous to the old world and particularly Europe where Marxism was born.
Very good observation.
People like the ring leader for football protests at Mizzou, a couple of years ago come to mind. I think his name is Jonathan Butler. The disruptions started with this guy going on a hunger strike to make the school president resign. He seemed to be one of those po black folk, just trying to spotlight injustice. However, it turns out he is the son of a black railroad executive worth millions. Born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
Bill Ayers is another example.
Ayers grew up in Glen Ellyn, a suburb of Chicago, Illinois. His parents are Mary (née Andrew) and Thomas G. Ayers, who was later chairman and chief executive officer of Commonwealth Edison (1973 to 1980),[4] and for whom Northwestern's Thomas G. Ayers College of Commerce and Industry was named.[5][6] He attended public schools until his second year in high school, when he transferred to Lake Forest Academy, a small prep school.[7] Ayers earned a Bachelor of Arts in American Studies from the University of Michigan in 1968. (His father, mother and older brother had preceded him there.)
Spoiled rich kids who decided to throw a wrench in "the man's machine!"
How have any of these vermin (Marx, Jonathan, or Ayres) benefited the world?
These are only a few of a long list of truly evil people, whose desire is to subjugate others.....Hilary Clinton anyone!
Killing innocent people and silencing free speech are wrong under any label.
“Spoiled rich kids who decided to throw a wrench in “the man’s machine!”
They come from wealth but without moral standards. They want to be something but in the lap of luxury they know they are nothing. That is why they are attracted to violent Marxism. People such as Ayres after dedicating their life to this violent ideology come to a psychological cross road at which one must admit to ones self he is wrong. He or she must also realize that have created much harm to humanity.
At this point he or she must atone and realize their worth in life has been naught but destruction of man and woman.
It is a lot easier to not admit the inner failings and fallacies of ones philosophy even thought confronted with its total failure and evil that to continue the violence.
Once they atone they are nothing but criminals. They know this but they can not accept this thus they continue their violent revolution. To accept the error is to accept one is an evil and that is a rare occurrence.
Jane Fonda is example number one. Joan Baez is the exception. Baez was very “anti war” in the fashion of Jane Fonda during the Vietnam War. When Baez saw the evil post Vietnam War she changed. Her voice was then silenced by the left.
It started in 1917 with the Bolshevik Revolution. Nothing has changed.
We have had 100 years of Marxism. Hundreds of millions have died. Until Marxism dies many more hundreds of millions will die. Even if Marxism prevails over the world they will fight each other. They have in the past and they will in the future.
The Nazis were socialist Marxists. Russia was communist Marxists. Just two different flavors of the same ideology. In war those two inflicted the greatest number of killed against each other in history and that was good.
Marxism Kills!
Nor would Poles
I think it’s a subjective valuation
Unlike most posters here I do not see National Socilaism in the same leftist mold as Communism
Nor is that how we were taught political paradigms long ago when college professors were more conservative than liberal
Not at all
I find that a canard.
Both are not good systems of governance for folks accustomed to freedom
I propose a third way if given a choice
Franco’s Spain version of Caudillo facism would be my preferred route if i was forced to pick an authoritarian system
Or a simple monarchy.....
>> “anti-fascist” organization Antifa [is effectively fascist]
The Left working its wicked magic — deconstructing the ordinary language we rely on.
They both empower those in charge to destroy the lives of everyone that displeases them....what difference if you have your right arm and left leg cut off or vice-versa?
I have that shirt in red, without the text. I once encountered a guy wearing the similar Che shirt while waiting for some take out food. He had come in with a couple, a third wheel if you will, and was looking at his menu. This in the early 90s, soon after the fall of the USSR and the Berlin Wall.
My food came out, I took it, walked over to their table, pointed to our shirts, and said something like “I’ve got the Freedom version of your Communist shirt. Our side won! Have a great evening!”
He looked like a deer in the headlights, and his dinner companions were cracking up as I headed out for home with dinner. It was a wonderful moment.
This one:
http://thoseshirts.com/reaganche.html
in red.
Thanks
Is Communism Worse Than Nazism?
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There’s a difference?
I understand the philosophical differences.
But really?
They both turn into Leftist Totalitarian Fascism.
In the end there is no difference.
I always wanted to see a Che Shirt with the picture of him dead on the slab
China doesn’t have a socialized healthcare. They don’t have social security and government pensions too.
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