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Kill the Ryan bill! Repeal the unconstitutional Obamacare or let it go bust!

Posted on 03/24/2017 1:22:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

A no vote on RYANcare/GOPcare is a vote FOR constitutional government.

Obamacare, RYANcare, RINOcare, GOPcare, Hillarycare, Trumpcare or ANY form of federal government mandated health care package is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! The constitution clearly reserves health care and health care insurance to the states and the PEOPLE!

The founders did not establish the federal government to be a charity or to "care for" the personal needs of the citizens. The founders never intended to create a welfare state! The constitution was intended to severely RESTRICT the powers of the federal government and to leave most governing powers to the states and the PEOPLE! The power to mandate or provide or control health care or health care insurance is not delegated to the federal government by the constitution, therefore it's reserved by the 10th amendment to the states and the people.

If they’e looking to blame someone, blame it on the founders. Blame it on the constitution.

The bill is wrong. Remember the tea party? For seven long years we’ve been demanding and voting for Republicans on a nationwide basis to repeal the unconstitutional big government socialist Obamacare. We do not want to replace it with a Republican brand of unconstitutionalism. We want it repealed, dead and gone, ripped out by the roots and the ground salted so it can never rise again.

Free markets or bust!

NO federal mandates or tinkering of any kind!

If the Republicans pass this POS, then unconstitutional federal government intrusion and mandates will be here forever (or until the rebellion anyway).

Passing this GOPcare bill sends the signal that government healthcare (some form of nationalized healthcare, socialism, single payer, etc) is perfectly fine by both major political parties and it’s just a matter of time before the democrats retake power and ram through universal single payer socialism.

Pass it and freedom is dead.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; FReeper Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: constitution; freedom; limitedgovernment; obamacare; repeal; ryancare; ryancarebillpulled; socialism
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To: tumblindice

Trump couldn’t do a deal with conservatives, so he’ll go do a deal with schumer.


81 posted on 03/24/2017 2:14:23 PM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God)
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To: Brian Griffin
Brian Griffin said: "We suggest you sell all the homes and buy your child’s drugs and our stock. We intend to make a real killing."

What magical development allows for a family to buy a child's drugs with other people's money rather than their own?

Patents on drugs are limited in time just like patents on other inventions. Once the patents run out ANYONE is free to produce the drug and deliver it AT COST.

I'm presently taking a drug which costs $120k per year. The patent just ran out. There are already three generic makers for this drug. The prices are still high, but competition will bring them down to no more than twice the cost to manufacture them or less. I am quite confident of this.

There is a reason why most major drug developments are accomplished by American companies. If you adjust your focus and recognize the tremendous bargain you get for 15-year-old medical treatment you might begin to appreciate the economic system which created it.

Have you heard of any child in the U.S. dying from polio or lack of penicillin recently? Do you begrudge the companies that developed these miracle drugs the profits they anticipated when they made their sacrifices to bring them to market. I don't.

82 posted on 03/24/2017 2:14:47 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: kjam22
Trump couldn’t do a deal with conservatives, so he’ll go do a deal with schumer.

Put down the crack pipe...

83 posted on 03/24/2017 2:15:21 PM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: Mears

1. death panels is one.


84 posted on 03/24/2017 2:15:44 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: joesbucks
He wanted this just as bad as any RINO or Ryan.

And if you didn't support him in the Primaries you were pretty much personna non grata around here.

85 posted on 03/24/2017 2:16:23 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: kjam22

Will he “beg” him?
Sorry Bud, but I can’t imagine President Trump begging.
This was Ryan’s mess.


86 posted on 03/24/2017 2:16:38 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen, Jim.
My Rep. Dave Brat has been a stalwart since being elected .
100% Heritage Foundation score
We all owe the Freedom Caucus thanks for standing against Ryancare being hung around the neck of our President.
It was a rearranging of Obamacare, not even close to repeal.


87 posted on 03/24/2017 2:18:30 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: tumblindice

Trump did not approach this from the conservatives side. He approached this from Ryan’s side.


88 posted on 03/24/2017 2:19:55 PM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God)
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To: BobL

We will never get a better Speaker until there are more Dave Brat type Reps and fewer Paul Ryan types.

CANTORIZE YOUR WEASELS, AMERICA!


89 posted on 03/24/2017 2:19:56 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: tumblindice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJfKdp3bDs

Some of us just listened right past this interview. Done in 2015


90 posted on 03/24/2017 2:23:05 PM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“On behalf of conservatives - I see today as a victory.”

Precisely. Ryno and others tried to truckle and failed.
`Comprehensive health care reform’ failed.

The Eeyores here are getting annoying with their Cassandra-like weeping over the failure of Obamacare Redux.


91 posted on 03/24/2017 2:24:16 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Mears

http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/what-are-the-implications-of-repealing-the-affordable-care-act-for-medicare-spending-and-beneficiaries/

If you have a plan D you have certain MD’s and even hospitals you cannot get full coverage at. Vanderbilt does not cover BCBS Diamond Plan members. Only BCBS Blue.


92 posted on 03/24/2017 2:24:21 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: kjam22

Two years ago? Ty to keep up. This is 2017.


93 posted on 03/24/2017 2:25:11 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you. I don’t know why folks, including the president, can’t understand that health care is not a responsibility of the federal government. It makes no difference what is in the bill itself; it is the fact that accepting the principal of federal responsibility puts the country on an unsustainable path. It is not a matter of supporting or not supporting the president, it is just wrong to think that good intentions can justify improper actions.

When the democrats passed Obama Care, they recognized that it didn’t make any difference what the bill contained as long as it put the federal government on the hook for people’s health care. Rather than taking this once in a lifetime opportunity to kill the monster, republicans, through arrogance or ignorance, think they can make it better or manage it more efficiently. As with a myriad of other programs, this one will take a life of its own regardless of how it is structured at the beginning.


94 posted on 03/24/2017 2:25:45 PM PDT by etcb
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To: tumblindice

He’s been saying for two years that the government was going to pay for people. “It may cost me votes”. Yep... today it did.


95 posted on 03/24/2017 2:26:44 PM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agree with all you said, Jim. Any form of socialized medicine is unconstitutional on its face, and should never even be considered by the Republican party.

Rip Obamacare out by the roots, and return medical care to the states and the people!


96 posted on 03/24/2017 2:27:34 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Reduced the penalty to $0.00 but left the mandate in the law.
There was no repeal in this rearrangement bill.


97 posted on 03/24/2017 2:29:21 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: kjam22

He’s trying to do what he promised to do: repeal and replace. So here’s something from this year: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/c/video/ffd1dca6-d821-11e6-a0e6-d502d6751bc8
His mistake was trusting implementation with a Wisconsin “progressive”: the devil’s in the details.
Get rid of the guy with two first names.


98 posted on 03/24/2017 2:30:14 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: kjam22

The bogus polls are already out?
(Where do you get this stuff?)


99 posted on 03/24/2017 2:31:54 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: tumblindice

Trump was aligned with Ryan.... he was not aligned with the conservatives. That’s the reality. Instead of pushing the conservatives to accept it.... he should have been pushing for a conservative bill that repeals Obamacare.


100 posted on 03/24/2017 2:32:01 PM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God)
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