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How the GOP Is On the Road Towards Certain Defeat
PJ Media ^ | 04/21/2016 | Ron Radosh

Posted on 04/21/2016 9:06:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Our convoluted primary system evolved to allow voters a more direct voice in choosing a candidate who can win a general election. Voters don’t always choose wisely -- after all, one party always loses. It’s a shame then -- in what should be a Republican year -- that GOP primary voters appear to want to lose the presidency once again.

If the candidate at the top of the ticket is roundly defeated, the toll could also take down many Republicans running for the House and the Senate.

The latest polls show that only one Republican candidate has a sure chance of beating Hillary Clinton: John Kasich. Look at the latest RCP average of all polls, which shows the tally of each Republican candidate in a race against Hillary Clinton. Kasich comes in nearly eight points ahead of Clinton. When Trump is put up next to Clinton, polls show her winning by 9.3 points. Ted Cruz also loses to Clinton by a smaller amount, within the margin of error, but still Clinton wins.

The just-released NBC-Wall Street Journal poll, the most up-to-date information available, has Kasich defeating Clinton by 59 to 31!

Relying on other polls of the general election chances for the candidates going state-by-state, analysts like Nate Silver predict that Kasich is more than likely to come in second to Trump in states like New York and Maryland. He is also likely to come in second in some northeastern states in which primaries have not yet taken place. However, these polls reveal that in a general election, neither Cruz nor Trump would get these voters’ support, and some of them are likely to vote for Hillary Clinton if either becomes the GOP nominee.

Yes, it is possible for Ted Cruz to get the nomination, but betting on Cruz is risky. As the election heats up, count on the Democrats using social issues to defeat him -- emphasizing Cruz’s position on abortion (no exceptions at all) and gay rights, which a majority of the public, including young Republicans, now support. They will hit hard on his proposed economic policies, from the proposed flat tax to a foreign policy seemingly meant to differentiate himself from the isolationist Ron Paul and the neo-conservative Marco Rubio. Count on Clinton making mincemeat of his call to deal with ISIS by carpet bombing.

Moreover, Clinton is actually closer to the neo-conservative position than many Republicans. On immigration, Cruz has sought to out-Trump Trump by committing to also building a wall on the Mexican border. Despite himself being Hispanic, he will obviously lose the growing Hispanic vote.

As for Kasich, I know all the arguments against supporting him: he is a liberal Democrat in disguise; he accepted Medicaid expansion in the state of Ohio; he will compromise with Democrats rather than fight them if president.

If you look at his record as governor, however, it is clear that he is not a liberal. A report in the Boston Globe puts it this way:

Kasich, in fact, is not as moderate as some voters might think. While he’s one of the few Republican governors to expand Medicaid under President Obama’s health care law and has said he supports a path for legalization for undocumented immigrants, the two-term governor has tried limiting the power of unions and enacted a series of anti-abortion measures.

No wonder the dean of liberal columnists, E.J. Dionne, wrote the following about him a few days ago:

The problem for Kasich involves his solutions. In his speech Tuesday, he proposed a balanced budget; a freeze on most federal regulations; tax cuts for individuals and businesses; sending “welfare, education, Medicaid, highway infrastructure and job training” programs back to the states; a guest worker program; and fixes to Social Security that would certainly involve some cuts.

In other words, Kasich supports the same agenda conservatives were offering in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. It’s an approach that even many in the GOP -- particularly working-class Trump supporters -- now see as inadequate, opting instead for a dangerous populism and a strong nationalist position. As Trump said yesterday, he favors an “America first” policy.

So those conservatives who continually attack Kasich for being a liberal and not a true conservative are either doing so because they are not aware of his record as governor of Ohio, or they are responding to his personality and ignoring what he believes and what he has accomplished in Ohio.

The question for Republicans comes down to this: Do Republican primary voters want the GOP to win or lose in November 2016? If the answer is "win," their support should be thrown to Kasich at a contested convention. If they want the GOP to remain “pure,” they will support the most conservative candidate out there -- Ted Cruz -- even though he cannot win, despite being closer to Clinton in the Electoral College vote. If they choose the populist Trump, there will be a landslide for Hillary Clinton come Election Day.

Whatever happened to William F. Buckley’s admonition that one should support the most conservative candidate that is likely to win? Neither Trump nor Cruz fits that description.

So who do you really prefer -- a John Kasich with faults you can easily cite that are quite real, but who could actually win, or Hillary Clinton? Republicans and conservatives should think clearly before they answer that.



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To: Buckeye McFrog
All Kasich had to do to win was to be not Ted Stickland

That was the first time he ran for governor. The second time the dem was so bad he was a joke (set up....who knows?). I mean for the primary. Until a few weeks before, Trump had a pretty good lead. Then Romney came to town.

This year, for the US Senate, I wonder if Portman might actually lose to Strickland. Portman doesn't exactly inspire conservatives or cross-over and independent votes. Besides that, he endorsed KSick in the primary, including RoboCalls with the endorsement.

Around this area, voting fodder don't like Kasich at all. He's starved local govenments in preference to the initiatives of his deep-pocket donors.

61 posted on 04/21/2016 9:57:22 AM PDT by grania
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To: SeekAndFind
(Kasich) has said he supports a path for legalization for undocumented immigrants...

That's a big deal. Sorry, no sale.

62 posted on 04/21/2016 9:57:45 AM PDT by FreeReign (1237, are we there yet?)
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To: SeekAndFind

If both Republicans Democrats are rocketing toward doom, who will win?


63 posted on 04/21/2016 9:59:18 AM PDT by stevem
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To: Charlie Browns Gun

Well, I don’t buy that at all.

1) You don’t win-—and win women-—at the rates he does and be so “unpopular” with women.

2) I’ve written extensively on the “unfavorables.” They are bogus because of Trump’s celebrity/”Apprentice” persona. They are like those of “The Undertaker” in WWF or J. R. Ewing, or Richard Petty. People “say” they “hate you,” then buy the action toy, wear your jacket, or see your show . . . or vote for you. It’s a psychological kind of “villain” that people “hate” but love.

There is no other way to explain his significant success. It does not comport with those numbers. Moreover, he BEAT Cankles by 35,000 votes in OH . . . where he came in second! So I think there is a real, legit shot for him to beat her in FL (where he has led most polls), NC (ditto), OH, NV, MI (ditto-—he did very well against her there), and VA. That right there is the election.

These national “unfavorables” don’t comport with the Electoral College, where he does very well. We haven’t even talked about PA or NH or IA-—states that all Republicans lost since 2008 and NH since 2004.


64 posted on 04/21/2016 9:59:26 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: SeekAndFind
Voters don’t always choose wisely -- after all, one party always loses.

If clause B is meant to prove clause A, this dear lil writer needs a course in logic. What crap.

65 posted on 04/21/2016 10:11:01 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --George Orwell)
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To: Charlie Browns Gun

I hope I’m wrong, but I’m seeing too many people thinking this is going to be a cake walk and I’m hearing almost verbatim claims of winning that I heard 4 and 8 years ago. It’s in my nature to be nervous


At the time, Limbaugh had a whole segment called “ everything points to a Romney landslide but the polls.” And he outlined the reasons that sound the same today. On election night, a Freepers from out East posted that he went to the polling place in his area to vote and he warned that from what he saw, it wasn’t going to be a good night for Romney and was dismissed by others

Performing well in a primary election isn’t the same as the general. The fact is, Hillary will have the base on board in Nov. Not anywhere near the same excitement level as 2008 Obama, but they will come around to her. She’s going to offer all kinds of freebies and Trump is going to have a difficult time countering that. And then Trump would have to keep not only the same enthusiasm with his current supporters he would gave to build on it and there’s no guarantee that’s going to continue

Now, this isn’t sour grapes because Cruz isn’t going to be the nominee as I’ve said the same things about Cruz when it comes to the general. But, as conservatives, we half to be very realistic to what any GOP candidate will face in the general election. Thank the unlimited immigration crowd for that

Personally, I don’t know who would want the job in 2016 America


66 posted on 04/21/2016 10:16:01 AM PDT by LMAO (" I probably identify more as Democrat," Donald Trump 2004)
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To: LMAO

Half=have

I hate auto correct


67 posted on 04/21/2016 10:18:35 AM PDT by LMAO (" I probably identify more as Democrat," Donald Trump 2004)
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To: SeekAndFind

>>Kasich, in fact, is not as moderate as some voters might think. While he’s one of the few Republican governors to expand Medicaid under President Obama’s health care law and has said he supports a path for legalization for undocumented immigrants, the two-term governor has tried limiting the power of unions and enacted a series of anti-abortion measures.

Oh good. Not only is he in favor of replacing American labor, he is trying to take away the small amount of countervailing power they have. But, he is in favor of giving the unemployed health care so they don’t die young.

Yep. Definitely not “moderate”.


68 posted on 04/21/2016 10:23:31 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Albion Wilde
Voters don’t always choose wisely -- after all, one party always loses.

Perhaps he meant to say - After all, one party (the Uniparty) usually (but not always) wins.

69 posted on 04/21/2016 10:24:10 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Who is Horatio Bunce?)
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To: SeekAndFind

70 posted on 04/21/2016 10:25:40 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pimping for Katich....pretty amusing since Johnny Boy is as reliable as the Johnny from Ohio


71 posted on 04/21/2016 10:27:47 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SaveFerris

“But you have to admit, a ham sandwich would still be far better than Jeb Bush.”

Yes, you’re correct, I’m forced to admit that a ham sandwich is still far better than Jeb Bush.


72 posted on 04/21/2016 10:32:14 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman

;)


73 posted on 04/21/2016 10:33:07 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: SeekAndFind

Roan sounds like a neo conservative. they all plan to vote for hillary for reasons that are wholly mysterious.

Trump will win by a landslide. In small part because of democrat crossovers to the pubbies.


74 posted on 04/21/2016 10:49:16 AM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: SeekAndFind

electing Kasich is exactly the same as electing hilliary


75 posted on 04/21/2016 10:54:38 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: SeekAndFind

Please just go away with this crap. Trump will peel her like a grape. He hasn’t started yet and he has already taken Bubba off the field. This Wile E. Coyote stuff.


76 posted on 04/21/2016 11:04:08 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: COBOL2Java
That reminds me of the chart of "Ten ways that Dick Cheney can kill you" (using photos of his hand gestures).

Since no one has taken him seriously, Kasich has not been receiving a lot of attacks. If he were the nominee, the media would go full-bore on the attack. His current poll ratings may reflect the fact that most people don't know much about him, but he comes across as a nice guy.

As a famous man said, "Nice guys finish last."

77 posted on 04/21/2016 11:20:27 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SeekAndFind

By nominating a candidate who advocates abortion, higher taxes, homos in bathrooms and now a path to citizenship. Oh wait, we are...

The uni-party operation has worked, a dimocrap running on both tickets in the general.


78 posted on 04/21/2016 11:33:00 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

Satire?


79 posted on 04/21/2016 12:38:27 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: SaveFerris

All these candidates make Dewey look better sometimes, but who needed Earl Warren for VP?


80 posted on 04/21/2016 12:58:32 PM PDT by Theodore R. (I shudder to think what the American people will do on November 8, 2016.)
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