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Trump leaves the conservative establishment arrogant and unmoored (they always were)
washingtonpost.com ^ | April 2 at 11:06 PM | Joe Scarborough

Posted on 04/02/2016 10:24:45 PM PDT by Trumpinator

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To: antidisestablishment

I like you.


41 posted on 04/03/2016 1:33:13 PM PDT by wiggen (#JeSuisCharlie)
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To: Sun
“Trump has long praised Mitch McConnell, the man who is the embodiment of why people are fed up with the party and attracted to Trump in the first place. While conservatives were fighting to get rid of McConnell in the 2014 primaries, Trump said, “It would be a shame if he didn’t win, because he has such power, it’s so good for his state.”

1) That is exactly the sort of thing a businessman would say. You can certainly disagree with Trump, but my guess is that he had his businessman's hat on when he made the comment.

2) Got to keep up. People now are as mad at the National Review conservative establishment as they are at McConnell & Co. R

42 posted on 04/03/2016 1:46:23 PM PDT by x
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To: exDemMom

When people “change their minds” on TOO MANY issues, JUST BEFORE running, I don’t trust them.

I didn’t believe Romney when he “changed his mind” on TOO MANY issues, JUST BEFORE running, so why should I believe Trump.


43 posted on 04/03/2016 2:17:35 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: exDemMom

Furthermore, I’m sticking with the guy with a PROVEN RECORD, and that would be TED CRUZ!

NO person is perfect, including Reagan, you or me, but my candidate is the closest presidential candidate to Reagan I’ve ever seen.

Here’s a bit of Cruz’s PROVEN RECORD:

“Ted Cruz ran on conservative issues like building a fence on our border when he was elected, he has lived up to his promises in the Senate and he has run a consistently conservative campaign. Cruz is also not temperamental and you don’t ever have to wonder what he REALLY thinks about issues like abortion or health care. Perhaps even more importantly, Cruz has proven that he’s a fighter who’s not scared to go toe-to-toe with anybody from the Republican establishment to Obama, to the mainstream media.

Cruz’s consistent conservatism mixed with his willingness to fight is why he’s the ONLY CANDIDATE RUNNING who can absolutely be counted on to get rid of Obama’s executive orders, kill Obamacare, defund Planned Parenthood and build a fence on the border. “

excerpt http://spectator.org/articles/65335/grow


44 posted on 04/03/2016 2:24:35 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun
Furthermore, I’m sticking with the guy with a PROVEN RECORD, and that would be TED CRUZ!

That's actually part of the problem--Cruz does NOT have a record. He is a first term senator, talks a big deal, but that's about it. He is as experienced as Obama was, and look what a disaster Obama has been.

“Ted Cruz ran on conservative issues like building a fence on our border when he was elected, he has lived up to his promises in the Senate and he has run a consistently conservative campaign..."

Many, many candidates run conservative campaigns and forget every single conservative ideal they espoused the second they get to DC. Even a lot of Democrats run conservative campaigns. Excuse me for not being impressed.

OTOH, Trump has a LONG record of getting things done. He has already demonstrated many of the skills that are so desperately lacking, but so sorely needed in Washington, DC. Just because the government is huge when compared to any business does not mean that it is immune to the same laws of economics that affect business. But lawyer-politicians, who do not understand economics (or much of anything else outside of lawyerly obfuscation), don't understand that, and have gotten us into this huge mess. We aren't going to get out of this mess by electing yet another lawyer. We need a businessman.

"Cruz’s consistent conservatism mixed with his willingness to fight is why he’s the ONLY CANDIDATE RUNNING who can absolutely be counted on to get rid of Obama’s executive orders, kill Obamacare, defund Planned Parenthood and build a fence on the border."

As I said before, he talks a conservative line, but a lot of politicians do that. Is Obamacare dead? No. Has PP been defunded? No. Is that border fence finished yet? No. Since we've had Republicans in both houses who could have done these things over the last 6 years, I'm guessing that they don't have much will to get them done. Why would I believe that Cruz will suddenly want to do them if he becomes president? He's establishment now.

I used to not have a strong preference either way, Trump or Cruz. That is, I leaned towards Trump because of his proven track record of accomplishment, and I am confident that he will use that experience while president to start fixing the things that lawyer-politicians have wrecked. But I could have supported Cruz. However, Cruz has demonstrated that he is just another establishment type, all talk, no action. That is not very exciting.

45 posted on 04/03/2016 3:12:52 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Sun
The sad fact is, even if Cruz is all you say, yet he would be dead meat in a general election confrontation. The media and the 'rats fight dirty and for keeps-- and all Cruz's debating tricks will fail to keep him from becoming chopped liver by the time the bad guys get done with him.
46 posted on 04/03/2016 6:31:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: wiggen

Thanks. Hope you feel better. Sounds like you have a hard row to hoe.


47 posted on 04/03/2016 9:34:06 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (If Washington was judged with the same standard as Sodom, it would not exist.)
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To: exDemMom; All

My goodness, HOW can you blame Ted Cruz, when he and only a few in Congress cares about conservative and constitutional values. As president he will have the power to do good.

When he was Texas solicitor general he did TONS of good stuff and WON some landmark cases!

“Cruz is no stranger to the nation’s highest court. As the solicitor general of Texas, he found himself arguing some of the most consequential cases of the last decade. On his Senate webpage, he lists six cases that established “landmark national victories”:

U.S. sovereignty against the United Nations and the World Court in Medellin v. Texas;

The Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms;

The constitutionality of the Texas Ten Commandments monument;

The constitutionality of the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance;

The constitutionality of the Texas Sexually Violent Predator Civil Commitment law; and

The Texas congressional redistricting plan.

Cruz has filed more than 80 briefs in Supreme Court cases, including one defending Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood Specialties. Sens. John Cornyn (R–Texas), Mike Lee (R –Utah) and David Vitter (R–La.), also signed that amicus brief.

excerpt http://dailysignal.com/2014/03/25/ted-cruz-urges-supreme-court-stand-americans-first-amendment-rights/


48 posted on 04/03/2016 10:42:20 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“.. he would be dead meat in a general election confrontation. “

DONALD TRUMP would be dead meat, as he’s just not that quick on his feet.

Surely you must know that Trump is doing worse in the polls for the General Election than Cruz.

btw, I bet there were many who thought Ronald Reagan would be dead meat in an election as well.


49 posted on 04/03/2016 10:46:37 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

And a proxy for Golgman Sachs.


50 posted on 04/03/2016 10:50:49 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: x

1) Trump called Cruz a maniac for bringing out the truth against ESTABLISHMENT McConnell.

2) There are still some good people at the National Review like this writer:

“..late last year Trump criticized Cruz for acting like a “maniac” when he called McConnell a liar.

How does Trump plan to fight political correctness and the culture of the D.C. establishment when he has championed the mastermind of the GOP establishment and is offended by the non-politically correct criticism of its leader?”

more: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/01/trumps-questionable-political-history


51 posted on 04/03/2016 11:28:53 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Fine, if Cruz is such a great lawyer, why not advocate for him to sit on one of the benches? We have a plethora of courts where constitutional lawyers are desperately needed. Far too many activist lawyers infest the court system.

But what we don’t need is yet another lawyer politician.

The skills needed to run government are not lawyer skills. All of Cruz’ “experience” you pointed out is related to lawyer skills, not executive skills. When has Cruz ever run a business? Where has he demonstrated that he knows how to find the right person for the job, or how to streamline an agency for efficiency? What is Cruz’ real world experience?

Since the government handles so much money, you need people who understand economics. You also need people who understand how to run things, people with good executive skills. And so forth. Government is full of bloated ineffective programs and agencies—and it only gets worse because almost all of the politicians are lawyers who have no idea how to run anything, and who have no sense or empathy for how their pet ideas affect people’s lives. And so on. Trump has decades of experience in the real world, and has been quite successful at it. He has already demonstrated the executive skills that we so desperately need at the top. He knows what it is like to be an ordinary person trying to navigate the legal morass that the lawyer politicians have created for all of us.


52 posted on 04/04/2016 3:31:22 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

A most excellent post!


53 posted on 04/04/2016 3:34:17 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exDemMom; All

“Trump: We’re going to tell privately owned businesses how to run their businesses.”

https://twitter.com/toddstarnes

We don’t need a dictator-in-chief again. The government needs to ALLOW businesses to grow by STAYING OUT OF THE WAY!

As Reagan said, the government IS the problem.


54 posted on 04/04/2016 3:22:16 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun
“Trump: We’re going to tell privately owned businesses how to run their businesses.”

https://twitter.com/toddstarnes

Please don't make stuff up or post stuff without verifying it. If you are going to claim that Trump said something, provide an actual reference that he said it. I have no idea who this Starnes guy is, but he is apparently the only source for this particular statement. Even a Google search only returns Starnes as the only source. If Trump had actually said such a thing, I would expect to see it from several unrelated sources, and maybe even a youtube video showing Trump saying that.

I do not believe for one second that Trump advocates a fascist government (fascism is the brand of socialism where businesses are privately owned, but are operated according to government mandates). And my observation of politics over the last couple of decades or so tells me that we need politician businessmen, not lawyers, in government.

Think about it. Trump doesn't need power, he already has a business empire and controls sums of money that most people cannot even comprehend. He's not running for president because of power--he's doing it because he sees the same decline in America that his supporters see, and he thinks he can reverse that decline. That is one of the reasons his campaign has so much support, among all groups.

I get that you support Cruz. But to people who are fed up with government as usual, not to mention frustrated with the establishment that seems to think the people exist for its benefit, and not the other way around--Cruz is just more of the same.

55 posted on 04/04/2016 4:12:03 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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