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A Reasonable Conversation About Guns?
Townhall.com ^ | December 7, 2015 | D.W. Wilber

Posted on 12/07/2015 5:20:51 AM PST by Kaslin

While I am a proponent of gun rights for Americans I have never been opposed to there being a reasonable conversation between differing sides on this contentious issue. Unfortunately with our extremely polarized nation, not just on gun issues but on just about everything, a reasonable conversation isn't going to happen very soon.

If a Republican says "the sky is blue," a Democrat is more than likely going to argue that "the sky isn't blue, it's light blue." Our political parties simply cannot agree with each other on even the smallest, least controversial issue. To do so in their minds would be to concede some sort of political advantage it would seem.

Both sides of every issue just scream back and forth at each other that 'it's my way or the highway.' They are never able to agree on anything without threats and intimidation, and bringing government right up to the precipice before they work out some temporary fix that never really solves a problem, only pushes it farther down the road.

And I certainly am not interested in leaving something so important and monumental as "gun control" up to the career politicians in Washington, D.C. to make the decision for me as to what kind of, or how many firearms I may possess. With all the money and lobbyists out there politicians simply can't be trusted to do what's right for the American people.

Realistically the only thing that might reduce the number of deaths as a result of firearms would be a complete and total ban on gun ownership in America, requiring voluntary surrender of guns by all citizens, along with a robust confiscation effort by law enforcement. There's about as much of a chance of that happening as there is of getting a pot-head to give up his dope stash. And the war on drugs so far has been a dismal failure.

Which begs the question since the Mexican drug cartels easily and successfully smuggle tons of drugs into the United States annually, does anyone think they won't be able to just as easily smuggle tons of guns and ammunition across our porous southern border into the heart of America?  Chicago perhaps? As far as the Mexican cartels are concerned they could really care less about any carnage on the streets of America, it's all about the Benjamins to them.

But who is likely to be the primary customer of the Mexican cartels smuggled guns and ammo, the suburbanite who just wants a simple handgun to help him protect his family in a more and more dangerous world? The young woman who drives through a tough neighborhood to get to work and wants the means to keep the predators at bay? Or the gang banger who just wants to shoot up his neighborhood? I think we all know who the main customer would be.

Under Barack Obama and his Democrat allies 'perfect solution' Americans clearly might be disarmed, at least the law abiding ones anyway. But American inner cities certainly won't be pacified and will be just as dangerous as they are now.

Which by the way if you subtracted the gun violence statistics of American inner cities from the annual stats, the U.S. would fall somewhere around Iceland or Japan's annual gun homicide rate, which is near the bottom of the list of nations. It seems most gun violence occurs in America's inner cities, the overwhelming vast majority of which are governed by, you guessed it, Democrats. 

As for my solution to the problem of gun violence in America I think I'm more inclined to look at bringing back 'Marksmanship and Firearm Safety' to our school's curriculums, as they once were. Young people were taught to respect firearms, how to safely handle them, and to shoot competitively at targets, not to take pot-shots at their fellow man. 

Which also brings to mind the need for a return to more traditional character and morality building as a means of reducing gun violence in America. When young people are taught to respect other people's property and rights, along with respecting the gift of life itself, the chances of successfully reducing gun violence in America would be much better I think.

Unfortunately I think it's highly unlikely that the Democrats in Washington will go along with anything that smacks of "traditional values and morality" or common sense firearms education, since as progressives they are more interested in tearing down the character and soul of this nation, and "fundamentally transforming" it into something entirely unrecognizable to most Americans.


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1 posted on 12/07/2015 5:20:51 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

This subject is poison to politicians, and that is great.

Keep it up, liberals.


2 posted on 12/07/2015 5:21:39 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html)
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To: Kaslin

“Reasonable” - Totally subjective. No thank you.


3 posted on 12/07/2015 5:22:34 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Donald Trump = Elmer Gantry (w/o the booze) + Huey Long (w/o the sweat and Southern accent))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You said it.


4 posted on 12/07/2015 5:23:00 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Reasonable gun control: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed."

That is all.

5 posted on 12/07/2015 5:24:48 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Kaslin

A ‘reasonable’ conversation with a rabid liberal begins with “you have to accept my demands and give up your guns.”


6 posted on 12/07/2015 5:24:49 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin
Which also brings to mind the need for a return to more traditional character and morality building as a means of reducing gun violence in America. When young people are taught to respect other people's property and rights, along with respecting the gift of life itself, the chances of successfully reducing gun violence in America would be much better I think.

Took a lot of blather and drivel for him to get around to this ...

7 posted on 12/07/2015 5:26:12 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Gaffer

“While I am a proponent of gun rights for Americans I have never been opposed to there being a reasonable conversation between differing sides on this contentious issue. Unfortunately with our extremely polarized nation, not just on gun issues but on just about everything, a reasonable conversation isn’t going to happen very soon.”

The second amendment is “settled law”. How come the left can claim abortion and gay marriage as settled law, but an actual constitutional amendment is up for debate?


8 posted on 12/07/2015 5:27:21 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Jews for Cruz 2016)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
How come the left can claim abortion and gay marriage as settled law, but an actual constitutional amendment is up for debate?

Because it is the self deluded insanity of the liberal mind.

9 posted on 12/07/2015 5:28:47 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin
. . . I have never been opposed to there being a reasonable conversation between differing sides . . .

Stopped reading right there.

10 posted on 12/07/2015 5:32:08 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Biology is biology. Everything else is imagination.)
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To: Kaslin
Okay, let's get reasonable.

When the Founders said "arms" they meant the best you could afford.

Should be the same today.

Repeal the NFA of 1934. Really.

If someone is going to use one of these firearms in a crime, there will be plenty to charge them with.

As far as full auto goes, why not?

Why should I have to lug a full-length shotgun around the corners in my house to defend my family from a home invasion? The shorter version would help.

Why should I have to pay a tax for something to make my firearm quieter and protect my hearing (and those next to me and cut down on the whining from people who just moved into the new development next to the shooting range?)

Why should I have to pay a tax to fully exercise a Right, and while we are at it, why can the average terrorist in the Middle East get a new AK-47 for three hundred bucks or so and I can't get one here at all?

Because 'daddy' (GHW) Bush signed that thing where I can't buy a NEW fully-automatic capable firearm, that's why, so repeal that crap, too. That ban amounts to a tremendous tax on those who just want to exercise their right more fully.

So be Reasonable for a change and get your judicial grubbies off of my Civil Rights!

11 posted on 12/07/2015 5:33:26 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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12 posted on 12/07/2015 5:35:59 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Kaslin

“the only thing that might reduce the number of deaths as a result of firearms would be a complete and total ban on gun ownership in America”

Governments have killed far more of their own people than criminals have.

Before that happens, the government disarms its citizens.


13 posted on 12/07/2015 5:39:13 AM PST by fruser1
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To: Smokin' Joe
Because 'daddy' (GHW) Bush signed that thing where I can't buy a NEW fully-automatic capable firearm, that's why, so repeal that crap, too

That was Ronald Reagan not Bush.

14 posted on 12/07/2015 5:45:14 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Kaslin

I am in favor of major changes in the gun laws.

By that I mean, I am in favor of repealing ALL laws which make it difficult or impossible for citizens to purchase or own firearms on the federal, state and local levels, including the repeal of the Gun Control Act of 1968.


15 posted on 12/07/2015 5:45:52 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Just say NO to muslim "immigrants")
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To: fruser1

“the only thing that might reduce the number of deaths as a result of firearms would be a complete and total ban on gun ownership in America”

If one gun is justified, they all are.

Marko


16 posted on 12/07/2015 5:48:19 AM PST by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: Kaslin

A civilized society wouldn’t need a “conversation” on gun control because in a civilized society people don’t murder each other. We’re all Neanderthals now.


17 posted on 12/07/2015 5:50:19 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Who is fact checking the state controlled, leftwing media's fact checkers?)
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To: Gaffer

‘Because it is the self deluded insanity of the liberal mind.”

And we should call them out on it. The only way to stop the madness is to openly call the left mad. When you hit them on the snout with a newspaper, they go back under the porch, whining.

This is what Reagan did to the Soviets. Eventually people see this and go, “wtf?” Ridicule is our greatest weapon. Alinsky even mentioned it.


18 posted on 12/07/2015 5:51:12 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Jews for Cruz 2016)
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To: Gaffer

‘Because it is the self deluded insanity of the liberal mind.”

And we should call them out on it. The only way to stop the madness is to openly call the left mad. When you hit them on the snout with a newspaper, they go back under the porch, whining.

This is what Reagan did to the Soviets. Eventually people see this and go, “wtf?” Ridicule is our greatest weapon. Alinsky even mentioned it.


19 posted on 12/07/2015 5:51:12 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Jews for Cruz 2016)
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To: Kaslin

Removing guns for the hands of law abiding citizens does nothing to stop mass murdering nuts.

There, that is the sole “reasonable” discussion on guns we can have Leftists. Find another rabbit to chase Liberals, this dog won’t hunt.


20 posted on 12/07/2015 5:53:58 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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