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I Own Guns. But I Hate the NRA.
Minnesota Star Tribune ^ | JULY 4, 2015 | David Fellerath

Posted on 07/04/2015 10:49:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Some time after I bought my first gun, I got a robocall from the National Rifle Association, asking me to join. After the customary “Please stay on the line …” from a pleasant but earnest voice, I recoiled from the barkings of an angry-sounding man: “Did I know that Barack Hussein Obama and European leaders are meeting on American soil right now, at this very moment, to plot the confiscation of my guns?”

The caller continued with his insinuations of an imminent United Nations plot against America, but before I could be handed off to a live operator, I hung up the phone.

I was amused, and then insulted, that someone would think I was dumb enough to fall for such a pitch. But the sad truth is that there are enough people willing to open their checkbooks to make such a noxious fundraising appeal worthwhile.

The NRA claims to have 5 million dues-paying members (though there’s some reason to believe this figure is inflated). That sounds formidable, until one considers that there are approximately 50 million adults who own firearms. Still, the organization has successfully positioned itself as the singular representation of gun owners. For decades, it has worked to defend and expand access to firearms in spite of polls showing that most Americans, including gun owners, favor laws that would limit access in various reasonable ways (even three-quarters of NRA households favor background checks prior to private gun sales). But when a U.S. congresswoman was shot in the face, the NRA made certain that no law was passed that would have made her safer. There’s no doubt that the NRA does have some grass-roots support, but it’s smaller than we think. The NRA does not represent all gun owners, and it certainly doesn’t represent me.

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To: nickcarraway

Why is this SH%$ even posted. They are obviously trolls looking for attention, so why give it to them?


41 posted on 07/05/2015 5:00:32 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: nickcarraway

Hey “gun owner” Fellerath,

If you’re insulted by a membership pitch, your skin’s too thin or you’re an idiot. Then again, if you bought your “first” firesarm and are not aware of the anti-gun assault on your freedoms, then you are an idiot.

I guess the math is there. You are an idiot.


42 posted on 07/05/2015 5:14:07 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: nickcarraway

>>> I Own Guns. But I Hate the NRA. <<<

As soon as someone says “I Hate ... “ you know that they’re thinking with their gonads and that any argument or discussion that follows is based on emotion rather than reason.

I personally dislike NRA phone calls because of this: it lowers an intellectual argument to the lowest common denominator.


43 posted on 07/05/2015 5:20:47 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol (Diagonally parked in a parallel universe...)
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To: nickcarraway

What pure troll attempt to divide, isolate and target the NRA. This article is as stupid as the Mittens summit meeting with Jeb and Marco. We may well disagree on some issues, but the bottom line is not more gun laws. It is that the ones that exist are not Constitutional. If gay marriage can come from hedonist longings, then the written guarantee in the Constitution to keep the government from regulating our bearing arms, is a no brainer.


44 posted on 07/05/2015 5:21:04 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: 4rcane

“Typical Liberal? Guns for me, no guns for thee”

His are “good guns”, other people’s are evil.


45 posted on 07/05/2015 5:54:25 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: CharlesOConnell

“I don’t own a gun, I gave up the gun I used to earn my living more than 30 years ago. I was dry firing and “empty” gun 45° from my infant son being changed on a table—BAM!—the emtpy gun went off. I got rid of it. (Twenty percent of officer shootings are self-inflicted & 15% are partner inflicted.)
I hate guns, I was following Gabriel Giffords before she was shot because I was trying to understand libertarians who are pro-choice. I was aghast when she was shot, false accusations against Sarah Palin notwithstanding.

I don’t want to get a gun, but I’m feeling compelled to get one. Before I do, I will be in the weird position of joining the NRA without owning a gun.

I don’t ever want to shoot an assailant, I’d rather take the consequences, but I have responsibilities, I have to protect the lives of innocent people.

The NRA was started to protect the lives of freed African-American slaves during Reconstruction. As late as the 1960s, segregationist Democrats were opposing equity and justice for African-Americans. It was the now-faithless Republicans who supported African-Americans.”

... ok. Happily no one is trying to force you to own a gun.


46 posted on 07/05/2015 6:03:05 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: CharlesOConnell
I don't own a gun, I gave up the gun I used to earn my living more than 30 years ago. I was dry firing and "empty" gun 45° from my infant son being changed on a table—BAM!—the emtpy gun went off. I got rid of it.

What were you drinking?

One should not dry fire with a loaded gun.

One should learn how to unload a weapon. Hint: You don't do it by pulling the trigger.

I don't believe you "earned your living" with weapon and then gave it up. This would ring true, if you had stated you quit your job which required you be be armed; or that you left your duty weapon in your locked locker at work; or, ... As stated, it sounds made up.

What drugs were you using?

47 posted on 07/05/2015 6:17:36 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nickcarraway
I have a friend, of 30 years, from whom I've heard that very statement. 'I hate guns. I hate the NRA'. In fact, I think I've heard him say 'I hate' more than anyone else.

Weird thing is, he's on the faculty of Ole Miss and is a staunch defender of the Confederate Flag.

48 posted on 07/05/2015 6:18:52 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Total concentwation. This is not a chawade.)
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To: CharlesOConnell
If you do, I would suggest you take a few safety lessons first. It really takes no effort to check the chamber before pulling the trigger when dry firing. Remember, handle all guns as if they are loaded, even when they are not. Another pet peeve, those who shoot themselves when cleaning their gun. The way I do it is I unload it first. Check that I was successful, sometimes more than once. Disassemble the gun, then clean it. When finished, reassemble the gun, and again check the chamber, more than once sometimes, then dry fire to see if it is properly assembled. I suspect that most cleaning accidents are cover upped suicides, for the insurance money.
49 posted on 07/05/2015 6:47:16 AM PDT by gusty
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To: nickcarraway

“But when a U.S. congresswoman was shot in the face, the NRA made certain that no law was passed that would have made her safer.”

When I read nonsensical crap like this, I quit reading. The assertion of unsupportable conclusions is not reasoning.


50 posted on 07/05/2015 7:11:11 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: nickcarraway

Is he dumb? No..

Will he last long in a series event? I doubt it.

Will he feeeel differently after he realizes who our real enemies are?


51 posted on 07/05/2015 9:42:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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To: nickcarraway
Since the system will not allow me to start a new thread without a valid URL I would like to just post a question here if I may. Sorry about the breach in protocol.

Does anyone here have any knowledge and/or experience with the Remington 700 .338 Win 'Magnum' shooting the .338 WinMag round or the .338 Lapua round. Have an opportunity to pick up a used in excellent shape for a very fair price. Comments welcomed.

52 posted on 07/05/2015 12:52:09 PM PDT by Ron H.
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To: nickcarraway
I was amused, and then insulted, that someone would think I was dumb enough to fall for such a pitch. ....

Thank you for your ill informed opinion. Next!

53 posted on 07/05/2015 12:55:26 PM PDT by Ron H.
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To: Ron H.

both will be expensive to shoot. Reloading will offset that considerably. I would go for the Lapua personally. Brass is more readily available from what i have seen. I’m planning on getting a savage in .338 Lapua at some point.


54 posted on 07/05/2015 7:45:43 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
Cost of ammo for me is not a serious consideration but must admit paying less that $3 a round for WinMag .338 v/s $6.25 a round for Lapua does get my attention. I'll likely use WinMags for most shooting but keep a small supply of Lapau rounds for special occasions. Probably 100 or less.

One last question. Do re-leaders have to have a license or certifications from the BATFE or a license to buy the powder?

55 posted on 07/05/2015 8:20:24 PM PDT by Ron H.
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To: Ron H.
I think my biggest problem would be finding a place to shoot a rifle like that out to the ranges it's capable of shooting; I have a 300 win mag and several .308s and 100 yards is the best I can find. I had a 200 yard range but it's out of commission now. very depressing. I'm looking at getting out west where I should have better luck with that.

As far as powder goes, no, you don't need any kind of BATFE license or anything but you had better know what you're doing when you're messing with a cartridge like that or you might end up with a broken rifle or worse. There are a lot of considerations that you have to account for.

56 posted on 07/05/2015 10:23:45 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
I already live out in the country so finding space is a minor consideration fortunately. On re-loading I want to find someone or somewhere that gives/teaches a course in re-loading in my area and take it. I don't wish to hurt myself by doing it wrong. I also want to find resources to teach me about the general concept of sniping. I did some amateur sniping in Nam but nothing serious. I took the math in school, algebra and trig but hey, that was some -+50 years ago and I didn't pay all that close attention back then.

Perhaps I'll find myself some reading material. Don't want to be a sniper but I thought it just might come in handy one day in a SHTF situation. I live in a plain area, no mountains or hills but windy at times and humid all the time. A Gulf Coast region state.

57 posted on 07/06/2015 2:24:59 PM PDT by Ron H.
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To: Sherman Logan

I know what Obama and Lynch will do - just like Holder - ignore the Constitution.

End of problem.


58 posted on 07/06/2015 4:05:25 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (madmax)
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To: Ron H.
One of the better online sources for long range precision marksmanship and reloading as well is a guy named Tiborasaurus Rex on you tube. he has countless hours of easily followed information packed videos. You can pretty much learn all you need to know and much much more from him. he is a fine American, is probably a genius in the realm of long range rifle marksmanship, and is exactly what you're looking for IMHO.
59 posted on 07/06/2015 4:57:23 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

Thanks. I’ll look him up. The analogy about sniping was incorrect. I have an opportunity to go hunt some Elk this winter and was told by my host that I may need to get out to anywhere from 300 to around 700 meters. Never shot quite that far before. Thanks for your help. Appreciate it.


60 posted on 07/06/2015 7:43:35 PM PDT by Ron H.
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