Paul on the fence over immigration bill (June, 12th 2013)

CNN.com ^ | June, 12th 2013 | Ashley Killough

[SunkenCiv]

No he’s not — he supports amnesty.

Rand Paul’s immigration speech
03.19.13 | Hon Sen Rand Paul (KY)
Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2998395/posts

...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.

[but he’s not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]

[LibLieSlayer]

Randnesty Paul will not see any support from me on any run for President.

[jpsb]

Everyone here loves Cruz (me too) but yall hate Paul and yet Paul and Cruz have almost the exact same position on illegals. I just do not get the irrational hate of one of our best in the Senate.

Paul wants to secure the border (build the fence)
Paul wants to secure the vote (make sure only citizens vote)
Paul wants no new pathway to citizenship (illegals must return to home country to apply)

Cruz says exactly the same thing. What spin doctors call amnesty is Paul would give legal status (work visas) to qualified illegals already here and working. Guess what so would Cruz.

[SoConPubbie]

Paul wants to secure the border (build the fence)
Only 100 miles of fence/per year up to the point where the US Congress "Certifies" the border is secure.

The same congress comprised of 50% Democrats who already think the border is secure and another 15%-25% of Republicans who feel the same way.

So, in effect, even that 100 miles won't get built.

Rand Paul is a whole lot of hot-air on this issue.

[jpsb]

Well if 75% of Congress does not want a secure border then forget it, the border will never be secure. Paul wants Congress to certify border security first because he does not trust DHS and second because he wants the public to see who votes for or against border security. That way voters know where there reps stand on the issue. I think it is a good idea to hold people accountable. I guess you don’t.

[Dead Corpse]

Yeah... That’s why he wants more border security...

:-/

[SoConPubbie]

Well if 75% of Congress does not want a secure border then forget it, the border will never be secure. Paul wants Congress to certify border security first because he does not trust DHS and second because he wants the public to see who votes for or against border security. That way voters know where there reps stand on the issue. I think it is a good idea to hold people accountable. I guess you don’t.

So in effect, Rand Paul doesn't want to lead on this issue and provide what the citizens of the US want, and actual Secure Border, he wants to take a politically safe position and pretend he is really, really, really for a "Secure Border".

Reminds me of when President Bill Clinton stated: "It depends on what your definition of "is" is.

Once again, Rand Paul proves he is not POTUS material.

[Dead Corpse]

Rand Paul supports Illegal Alien Amnesty.

No. He doesn't.

[jpsb]

This just hit Drudge

"Paul recently told conservative talker Laura Ingraham that if Boehner passes amnesty, he believes Boehner’s speakership is in jeopardy."

“If he allows something to pass out of conference that looks anything like the Senate bill and is passed with a majority of Democrats, I think that will be the final thing he does as speaker,” Paul said on Ingraham’s program in late August. “So, I think he knows that, and I think he’s going to be very cautious, and I hope he will defend us on this and not pass something that looks like the Senate bill.”

Keep bad mouthing a good conservative in the Senate, it's very helpful to put a knife in the back of one of your own. Good job, "conservativve" Paul bashers. /s

[SoConPubbie]

Keep bad mouthing a good conservative in the Senate, it's very helpful to put a knife in the back of one of your own. Good job, "conservativve" Paul bashers. /s

Keep your head in the sand and ignore the truth of Rand Paul's hot air where a "Secure Border" is concerned.

You can lie about me all you want, but you cannot, in good conscience, deny what Rand Paul has stated and I have posted to you, and others, on multiple occasions the details of his so-called "Secure Border" Comprehensive Immigration Reform plan and Rand Paul's own statements that prove what I have been saying is true.

Dishonesty and deception and spin seems to be the trademarks of Rand Paul and his followers.

[jpsb]

Please explain to me just what a Senator is suppose to do other then propose legislation that would in fact fix the problem? You say he is just dodging the problem and I explain he is trying to get the ELECTED representative held accountable. Not some unelected bot that just serves the president. Accountable to the voters, that is the key to success. Sad you just can’t see it, since you appeared to be blinded by hate.

[SoConPubbie]

Rand Paul supports Illegal Alien Amnesty.

No. He doesn't.

Yes he does.

Even with his so-called improvements to his original plan, he plan STILL grants Amnesty to 2 million Undocumented Democrats (Illegal Aliens), each and every year, based on a "Certification" by a Pro-Amnesty Congress that the border is secure.

As is usual with Rand Paul, he uses weasel words/deceptive language to try and hide the Amnesty.

Words like "Normalize" to cover the fact he wants to make them legal. Once legal, they are on the pathway to citizenship and can continue to rape and pillage the treasury of the United States that is basically just the money the government takes out of our back-pockets in the form of Taxes.

So you can pretend that Rand Paul is not for Amnesty, but his "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" plan states otherwise.

BTW, for those of you from Rio Linda:

am·nes·ty [am-nuh-stee] Show IPA noun, plural am·nes·ties, verb, am·nes·tied, am·nes·ty·ing.
noun
1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.

2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.

3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.

[Dead Corpse]

Yeah... No.

His plan was to send them home and to the back of the line.

But, that doesn’t fit into your PDS does it?

[SoConPubbie]

Please explain to me just what a Senator is suppose to do other then propose legislation that would in fact fix the problem? You say he is just dodging the problem and I explain he is trying to get the ELECTED representative held accountable. Not some unelected bot that just serves the president. Accountable to the voters, that is the key to success. Sad you just can’t see it, since you appeared to be blinded by hate.

Quit making excuses for his deceptive approach to a "Secure Border".

It is simple, if Rand Paul really wants to be sincere on this issue, remove all requirements that require a "Certification" by the Congress that the Border is secure.

His solution should be simple:

1. Build a complete fence
2. No Amnesty, no legalization that puts them into a possible chance of citizenship or a chance to vote
3. No access to any social benefits
4. Complete usage of E-Verify to keep Illegal Aliens from having access to social benefits, voting, and jobs.

If he was really sincere about solving this problem and not just looking for political gain, these are the kind of policy positions he would be taking.

If he was really a conservative leader, he would have never proposed normalizing/legalizing Illegal Aliens in the first place. What makes his "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" plan if more egrariously wrong, is that he originally offered it up without any teeth with regards to the border, showing us who he really is.

Then, when an uproar was made by conservatives, he puts this false fence provision out there like we are stupid and won't see through his crap.

Sorry, but a Fence provision that builds 100 miles of fence every year based on another "Certification" by a Pro-Amnesty, Pro-Open-Borders congress that the border is secure, is just another slap in the face to conservatives.

It assumes we are stupid, ignorant, and either too lazy or busy to research out what he is saying.

Oh, and one last thing, when you have to pull out the Hate card, you've lost the argument and have resorted to the tactics of the left, trying to employ emotionalism, vs. facts, to sway the reader.

[SoConPubbie]

His plan was to send them home and to the back of the line.

No, his plan was to "Normalize" them.

Not send them home.

[SoConPubbie]

His plan was to send them home and to the back of the line.

But, that doesn’t fit into your PDS does it?

Here are the links, from this year, where Rand Paul clearly lays out his own Amnesty plan for 2 million illegals per year, based on a "Certification" from a Pro-Amnesty congress that the border is "secure". No Fence, No E-Verify, No punishments for ID Fraud, and all the other misdemeanors and felonies committed by the Undocumented Democrats he wants to pardon.

Rand Paul’s “Undocumented Citizens” Path to Legality (and Citizenship) (March 20, 2013)

Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform (March 19, 2013 Article)

Rand Paul's presence-and-jobs amnesty -- WITHOUT E-Verify

Rand Paul Defends Immigration Reform: 'I've Got A News Flash' For Coulter And Limbaugh

No, America Does Not Have “De Facto Amnesty”

GOP's Rand Paul, Dems' Luis Gutierrez in step on immigration reform

Rand Paul: Pathway To Citizenship Is Needed, E-Verify Is Not

Rand Paul On Illegals: Trust But Verify

Steve Deace – Et Tu, Rand Paul?

Paul: Republican Party in Need of Facelift

[Dead Corpse]

I’m seeing the same thing written over and over again. Rand didn’t like the original “compromise bill” BECAUSE it granted Amnesty.

His “path to legality” includes following the rules for worker permits/naturalization including a requirement to GO BACK and apply from your parent Country.

I swear, some of you idiots would say it was just a publicity stunt and meant nothing if Rand went to the border with a convoy of brick loaded trucks and started building a f*cking wall himself.

[jpsb]

All of your links are mid March or earlier, Paul appeared to be going wobbly Feb-March as he was thinking his way thru the issue. I like Paul a lot and I was worried he might go soft. He didn’t, I was at the time posting that if Paul went soft on illegals I would stop defending him and stop supporting him. Cut him a little slack, he is back on the reservation, he learned his lesson visa vi Rubio, lol.

[Gene Eric]

I don’t hate Paul at all. Regarding immigration, it seems necessary for him to correct or clarify his positions which doesn’t elicit confidence as far as politicians go.

[Me1onCollie]

I do not envy the guy. He is basically walking a tightrope over a minefield; one slip and *BOOM*, he’s condemned nationwide as an evil racist nativist and he’s screwed to the wall be the national media.

Liberals are at both ends of the rope wobbling it to try and make him fall off and conservatives are railing at him for not throwing himself bodily off the rope into the safety net of immigration reform...which is as threadbare as Sandra Fluke’s undergarments.