Skip to comments.RG3: Gay players should come out [NFL pro-sodomite QB claims to be Christian, but....]
Posted on 08/14/2013 7:02:28 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Robert Griffin III thinks the time is now for gay players to come out.
The Redskins star quarterback told GQ magazine that he feels the "window is now" for gay players.
"I think there are [gay players] right now, and if they're looking for a window to just come out, I mean, now is the window," said Griffin, who is recovering from offseason knee surgery. "My view on it is, yes, I am a Christian, but to each his own. You do what you want to do. If some Christians want to look at being gay as a sin, then thinking about other women, committing adulteryor any of those other sins that are in the Biblethose are sins, too. And God looks at all of us the same way."
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How about he gets asked 10,000 questions a day and instead of dodging one he actually tried to answer? Let’s hope he never makes the rookie mistake of trying to be honest again. That’s the last thing we need.
I wish I had been that far along in my Christian walk at that age but I was a Godless heathen
Let’s hope he keeps his messaging on the game. Even better.
What is amazing to me is there are folks on this thread basically telling me I shouldn’t judge RG3....
Aren’t they judging ME by making that statement?
>>He plays a game. He does not make policy.
What’s a role model?
>>Get over yourself
Say the Useful Idiot?
Well said, and I am sorry I didn’t make that clear.....
" , , , all of us sin, so let's CELEBRATE that sin, instead of being ashamed of it, right, RG?"
Hey, wait a minute. I've heard that before.
If you are a preacher of grace, then preach a true and not a fictitious grace; if grace is true, you must bear a TRUE AND NOT A FICTIOUS SIN. God does not save people who are ONLY FICTITIOUS SINNERS. BE A SINNER AND SIN BOLDLY, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly, for he is victorious over sin, death, and the world. As long as we are here we HAVE TO SIN.....It is enough that by the riches of Gods glory we have come to know the Lamb that takes away the sin of the world. No sin will separate us from the Lamb, EVEN THOUGH WE COMMIT FORNICATION AND MURDER A THOUSAND TIMES A DAY...."
The guy is just getting back to the basics of Protestant thought, that's all. He's probably part of the "emerging church" that claims to be returning to the "early church" as defined fifteen hundred years later by people like Luther and his buddy Phil.
If he uses all of Luther's methods he's thrown any books of the Bible than disagree with his views in the trashcan and therefore can "prove" that there's nothing in Scripture that condemns the behavior of queers.
It's another one of the "have your cake and eat it too" doctrines that have created tens of thousands of different churches each claiming to be the only real and true church.
Why should the "Church of Perverted Queers" be any different than all the other churches that interpret Scripture to suit themselves and excuse their favorite sin or sins?
He's not a bit worse than the people who wink at and ignore massive infanticide as long as it's done quietly with "contraceptives" instead of at those tacky abortion clinics.
NO sin can be addressed if the answer to every question regarding sin is the equivocal, “everybody sins”.
You are taking the mote and beam passage completely out of context. Christ was talking about condemnation of a person for the mote, while the accuser has a beam in their own eye. He also tells us to try the spirits so that we know them - in this case, the spirit on trial is the spirit of open rebellion, that promotes the open practice of sinful behavior and demands acceptance for both the rebel sinner and his sin. It is not wrong for me, in my struggle with my own sin, to refuse to condone the sin of another.
However, sometimes it is wisdom to acknowledge that, because of our own present struggle with a particular sin, we are not properly equipped to counsel our brother in his struggle.
Furthermore, if I am accepting of and asking acceptance for my own sin (beam), then it is wrong to point out sin (mote) in anyone else. If I am struggling with my own sin, it is wrong to condemn another who is struggling with their sin. HOWEVER, just because I am struggling with my own sin, DOES NOT REQUIRE ME TO ENCOURAGE OR ACCEPT SIN IN OTHERS! In fact, I am still called to pray and encourage others to overcome their sin.
My view on it is, yes, I am a Christian, but to each his own
Well, that is interesting. Perhaps sir you could reference which sections in the Bible, you know, God’s Word, that Christians are to follow,explains the concept of to each his own..........
He plays a game. He does not make policy. He is not on the supreme court or the president. He plays a GAME.
Get over yourself
Seeing that more young people will hang on his every word then that of the President or any Supreme Court ruling, maybe people should be concerned.......
The Church never can and never will give satisfactionand the homosexualist knows it, for he knows the words against him are ineradicableto the declared and impenitent homosexual, the person who, through an act of the vermiculate will, has identified his person with a sin, whether he demands acceptance of his sin through "love," or vindication through identification of his perceived enemies as bigots. Whether he presents himself as an object of love or indignation, what he demands in either case is acceptance not of the person, but of the sin-bound and sin-defined person. He demands the declaration of spiritual authority that there is nothing objectively disordered about this binding of man to sin, and assurance that this monstrous amalgam can indeed enter the kingdom of heaven. This can never happen among Christians until they abandon Christianity, which is at war with every sin, and whose indelible constitution places all perversions of the perfect man at the muzzle of its canons.
Read more: http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=26-04-003-e#ixzz2bxSlmRMZ
I did not ignore his condemnation of other sin in my first post - I DIRECTLY addressed it:
“He is right, however, in pointing out some common, overlooked sins in the Christian community - but my sin does not make your sin acceptable, which is the argument he is using.”
YOU chose to ignore what I posted in order to falsely accuse me.
Your petty mote/”stick” accusation is groundless. There is nothing in what I said that excuses or ignores my own faults - and I am not asking anyone, not even myself, to accept sin in my life.
Agreed. RG3 actually implied it is a sin by lumping it in with “hetero” types of sin. I don’t know why so many people here are in a lather about this. Do they look to football players for theology? Griffin was asked about the subject in the context of football, having gay teammates, etc. He basically answered it honestly from his standpoint. Who cares? I just hope my Cowboys give him a couple of beatdowns this year. Nothing personal of course...
Christianity itself as practiced in the Western world has lost the gospel moxie needed to lead such sinners back to the Lord.
I will go out on a limb that may attract a lot of rotten eggs and tomatoes. This stuff isn’t the “unforgivable sin.” That sin is to refuse the gospel forever. However sexual sins are very corrupting because they are entangled in a spiritual capacity of humans. A Christian being saved could have a temporary sojourn in such sins. HOWEVER by definition it will not last forever; it can’t inherit the kingdom of heaven. It has to give. It is forgivable. It is never, ever excusable (and no other sin is excusable either).
The answer is not rocket science. Hey guys, buggery is mean and sex outside marriage is gross, call it off, be friends if you want, but keep those bodies in sanctification and honor. Do what is an acceptable sacrifice to God, and if you find yourself falling then stop and take the situation to the Lord for help, which you will always get if you do and don’t wallow there in shame (the forgiveness is instant), and you will grow. And don’t be afraid of male fellowship as such because when clean it is very powerful in the power of God the Father. But it needs gospel moxie behind it. It needs the power that causes Satan to flee as the light of God comes spiritually.
My advice--get out of my face--get out of my space--shut up and be reticent for a change.
He’s not really off on his statement. All the things he mentioned are sins, and are all practiced by various people.
He publicly opposes gay marriage. But being gay does not preclude you from getting a job in our country, and people should be able to admit what they are. (I’d prefer they all keep it to themselves).
We all probably know gay people, and most of us probably work with gay people. We probably also know, and maybe work with, or are friends with, people who are living together without being married, or having sex outside of marriage, or have committed adultery, or been divorced, or stole things, or committed any number of other sins.
We are all sinners, and I don’t look to isolate myself from sinners. I condemn sin. I “love the sinner”.
Well, people are sinners unless and until saved and gone to heaven. I think we don’t need people to say certain sins get the honor of being a badge they wear, though. How would it look to talk about “thieving players”? Lets get some sense here. If someone says to you “I’m ‘gay’” I think your answer should be “I do not look upon you as ‘gay.’ I look upon you as a human being, as Joe [or Mary or whoever]. I will proceed on this basis.”
Kind of like "single mother"
Well, the sin is over at that point. But if she intends to keep on getting pregnant and having either more kids or more abortions as a single that would be another ball game.
At least the “straight” players will know who not to shower with.
Maybe he just wants to know who to avoid so they don’t get any of their blood on him.
This is the issue. But that is a religious one, not a work-related one. We don’t generally fire people because they are sleeping with their girlfriends. Heck, we didn’t fire the President for sleeping with an intern.
And I haven’t seen people looking to inflict punishment in this world for all the people taking the Lord’s name in vain, even though that is one of the 10 commandments.
We are all sinners. There are Christians who are sadly living in a state of perpetual sin, sometimes willfully, sometimes unwittingly, but they need repentance and forgiveness at least to repair their relationship with God.
I am a heterosexual. If I wasn’t married, I would still be a heterosexual, but I would not be having sex. Is it possible that a person could feel they were a homosexual, but not be committing the sin of gay sex acts? I am agnostic on whether merely BEING “homosexual” is a sin, as opposed to acting out on those feelings.
I don’t have any delusion though that most people who would announce they were “gay” would also be having gay sex.
Then you have the issue of gays who get married, and who are members of supposedly Christian churches where being gay is not considered a sin. I believe it is a sin, but won’t those people be surprised, given that their actual religious teaching from those who are tasked with bringing them to the light is telling them that they have fulfilled the requirements of God, only to find out I believe that they have lived in continual sin?
Frankly, I believe RG3 had to do this, because he’s a young guy who, by professing his personal religious belief, and his opposition to gay marriage, he has become an embattled target. He’s looking to make his life easier, and sure fault him for it if you like, but it makes sense to me. He’s expressing an opinion that, in this world, gay people exist, and are largely accepted, and in many cases are protected in their employment, and some football players certainly identify as gay, and now is certainly a good time for such people to identify themselves if that is what they wanted to do.
I’d have a different message, but it would not be helpful. Now is a good time for Gay people to identify themselves to their pastors, so they can get counseling on how to repent and with God’s help live a righteous life. Of course, when people are being discriminated against simply because they STOPPED BEING GAY, that is a hard message to tell people.
Imagine that. If I were gay, and got counseling against the power of the state and the counseling community (which denies such counseling should even exist), and was able to cure or control my attraction, and lead a normal life, I will face discrimination by government entities and private organizations, and no law will protect me from that discrimination.
Hey, also “loving the sinner” means you DO dare to press the gospel to the person, a gospel which is the gospel of YES (Yes you can be a clean, sanctified, forever forgiven person who lives up to everything God wanted for the creation, and while fighting the devil towards that goal will need effort and probably much trial and error, you do not need to earn any of your forgiveness ever) rather than the gospel of NO (ahh, look at Leviticus and wallow in your guilt and shame).
Too much modern Christianity is laden with Churchianity. It leans a lot on pride as a crutch, quite frankly. And it can impart the unfortunate connotation that a saved life is a bland vanilla thing, like a lot of Christian music and church services. NO... a saved life has every bit of power God put in the creation, but it is a channeled power. It is MORE than natural. It’s supernatural. One could even call it a sort of “good magic” (”God’s spell”). It does NOT smell of the old ladies in the church or of the furniture polish on the pews. It is a whole ‘nother world.
Yes, I won’t quibble a lot about words which can be used colloquially to mean different things.
A “gay Christian” (actually a Christian who has lapsed into homosexual behavior) SHOULD ideally be able to get pastoral help that contains copious, strong amounts of the gospel of YES. Not “YES keep on doing that” but “YES let’s get your faculties which you had been offering to demons under Christ’s lordship and do NOT put a limit on what Christ can do once the battle is over.”
Clarification on “good magic” — of course I mean God is the honoree here. “Magic” honors the devil, although the devil also furnishes the illusion that it’s all about you and your techniques and not about the devil at all. Remember the sin in Eden about “being as gods”? That self-possession is the illusion that goes along with it. The devil lurks low, usually, when he’s your partner. God is not shy to take a high profile.
Don’t tell anyone, but I once hired a gay person because she was the best person qualified for the job. She was one of the best employees who ever worked for me. She was also a conservative who did not support gay marriage. She got in a big argument about it with a fellow worker who was a liberal. Talk about watching worlds collide, that poor liberal got beat to death with her own bigotry stick.
As I said earlier, I do not support in any way the gay political/social agenda. I do not support them in their sin (anymore than I support anyone who in sinning). I do not believe they should be treated any differently than anyone else. I don’t think it helps my cause to demean them and call them names. I hope for them the same I hope for anyone including myself. That they would repent of their sins and accept Christ as their Savior and let Him transform their lives day by day.
I’m wondering if she even was ‘gay’ at all! She might have just had a close friend who lived with her in kind of a female equivalent of a David and Jonathan relationship, no actual sexual shenanigans or minimal, but their friends insisted on calling it ‘gay’ and she acceded.
But do gay referees penalize players for “backfield in motion” or having too many men on the field?
a football player will NEVER be a role model. If your children (or others) have a professional athlete as a role model then something is way off track in their life.
He is not my pastor. I do not take theological direction from him. He is a human with an opinion. Doesn’t make hime right. Also doesn’t require me to make a big noise about nonsense that is of no value.
As to your last comment BWAHAHAHAHAHHA not even close
partially quoting someone and then adding your spin to it is intellectually dishonest. At least deal with the direct quotation in its entirety.
The full quote is here: “I think there are [gay players] right now, and if they're looking for a window to just come out, I mean, now is the window. My view on it is, yes, I am a Christian, but to each his own. You do what you want to do. If some Christians want to look at being gay as a sin, then thinking about other women, committing adulteryor any of those other sins that are in the Biblethose are sins, too. And God looks at all of us the same way.”
I am NOT going to yield to your demand to “deal with the direct quotation in its entirety” because it is wholly without merit or foundation. However, I will clearly show that my statement in NO WAY twisted the plain meaning or intent of his words.
His meaning, stated more clearly is this:
Some Christians may choose to consider homosexuality a sin, while behaving sinfully themselves. We are all sinners before God.
Now let's look at what I initially posted:
“He actually makes a statement bordering on apostasy when he says: You do what you want to do. If some Christians want to look at being gay as a sin...
It is not a matter of Christians WANTING to view something as a sin, it is a matter of what God has said is sin - regardless of how we want to view it.
He is right, however, in pointing out some common, overlooked sins in the Christian community - but my sin does not make your sin acceptable, which is the argument he is using.
It is one thing to encourage acceptance of the sinner, a completely different thing to advocate accepting the sin.”
NOW - please point out exactly where I “added (my) spin”. Show how what I posted “...(took) his words out of context” - keeping in mind that using the phrase “taking his words out of context” only has value if the meaning was distorted or misconstrued - otherwise it is simply accusatory babble. So show exactly where I distorted or misconstrued his meaning. Did he not clearly imply that he chooses NOT to consider it sin, while other Christians DO so choose?
Show where I “avoid his other condemnations of those that sin.” (Pay particular attention to the paragraph that begins “He is right, however...”)
Your entire response to me has been intellectually dishonest. You have lied about what I have stated, you have implied I have done something I have clearly not. And you have, by throwing out accusatory gobbledygook and garbage, pretended to challenge my position while completely avoiding the very core of my argument - which is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty
RG3 is an athlete. So what? Much ado about nothing.
>>a football player will NEVER be a role model.
Certainly not the present crop of felons. But there was a day when the likes of Randy Gradishar, Craig Morton, and even Lyle Alzado and Mean Joe were folks youngsters could look up to.
>>BWAHAHAHAHAHHA not even close
“BWAHAHAHAHAHHA” is typically part of the Useful Idiot vocabulary.
you really are a very funny person....not a single one of the football players you named would have been on a list of my or my peers role models. Football players are not Jonas Salk or any NACA/NASA engineer (Al Sieff comes to mind as does Harvey Allen). They play a game. If they are decent people that is the extent of their import. They did nothing to prolong life. They were not surgeons or fire fighters or police officers or members of the military. Perhaps if you had picked someone like roger Staubach I could have understood. They play a game end of story. Tell me what they did with the rest of their lives and then maybe we can talk
and just so you know BWAHAHAHAHAHA is a good sized belly laugh....may or may not be evil in its intent......
It’s evident you’ve never experienced or observed the character-building exercise that just “playing a game” can be.
Too bad for you little man.
>>and just so you know BWAHAHAHAHAHA is a good sized belly laugh
Uhuh - and it’s still a significant portion of the Useful Idiot’s vocabulary.
Tom Brady hit on his knee today too!!!
Might as well draw a target on it for pre-season games. IINM, knees are the/one of the weakest, unprotected links in an athlete’s body.
Yes, yes. It IS sarcasm.
You are so wrong. But part of that character building experience INCLUDED learning that it is just a game. It is not life and death. it is not my family ( though good friendships were developed and still exist). It is a game. It is a chance to learn to accept winning with some grace and dignity and to turn loses into an opportunity to improve.
But in the end IT IS JUST A GAME
oh thank you oh so wise one.....
Up yours little man.
Libertarians would be far more receptive to live and let live gay players if the liberal PC media and the league didn’t shove the agenda down everyone’s throat (no pun intended).
It’s really between the players to decide. You can’t legislate or socially engineer mutual respect.
Nice to see not all athletes are onboard with the gays
Russian Pole vault great (a woman) condemns homosexuality at worlds
>>It is not life and death.
For many young athletes the lessons learned on the playing field reverberate in exactly that.
Whether you want to deal with the fact is irrelevant. Professional athletes ARE what many young folks have as role models because those individuals on the screen are the models of success they’re exposed to and/or want to relate to — and that is who will try to emulate sans other constructive influences.
It is the lack of family structure and a civili society that drives young people to value ‘stardom’ over merit
Says the fool who thinks young folks won’t emulate the behavior of professional athletes.
“Hey c’mon out ya’ll, everybody sins - so pile it on, to each his own”
Meanwhile, Jesus told the woman at the well to GO AND SIN NO MORE.
Way to give Jesus Christ the middle-finger, RG. Here's a guy doing the Devil's Work and proud of it.
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