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To: GilesB

partially quoting someone and then adding your spin to it is intellectually dishonest. At least deal with the direct quotation in its entirety.


80 posted on 08/14/2013 12:27:22 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
Your last post is completely dishonest and a lie - nowhere, in any rules of debate or logic is a full quote required in order to challenge a portion of the statement - unless there are some Nifster Rules of Debate somewhere. All that is required is that the person challenging (myself) not twist or misconstrue the meaning while addressing that specific portion - which I did not - although you dishonestly imply that I did.

The full quote is here: “I think there are [gay players] right now, and if they're looking for a window to just come out, I mean, now is the window. My view on it is, yes, I am a Christian, but to each his own. You do what you want to do. If some Christians want to look at being gay as a sin, then thinking about other women, committing adultery—or any of those other sins that are in the Bible—those are sins, too. And God looks at all of us the same way.”

I am NOT going to yield to your demand to “deal with the direct quotation in its entirety” because it is wholly without merit or foundation. However, I will clearly show that my statement in NO WAY twisted the plain meaning or intent of his words.

His meaning, stated more clearly is this:
Some Christians may choose to consider homosexuality a sin, while behaving sinfully themselves. We are all sinners before God.

Now let's look at what I initially posted:

“He actually makes a statement bordering on apostasy when he says: “You do what you want to do. If some Christians want to look at being gay as a sin...”
It is not a matter of Christians WANTING to view something as a sin, it is a matter of what God has said is sin - regardless of how we want to view it.

He is right, however, in pointing out some common, overlooked sins in the Christian community - but my sin does not make your sin acceptable, which is the argument he is using.

It is one thing to encourage acceptance of the sinner, a completely different thing to advocate accepting the sin.”

NOW - please point out exactly where I “added (my) spin”. Show how what I posted “...(took) his words out of context” - keeping in mind that using the phrase “taking his words out of context” only has value if the meaning was distorted or misconstrued - otherwise it is simply accusatory babble. So show exactly where I distorted or misconstrued his meaning. Did he not clearly imply that he chooses NOT to consider it sin, while other Christians DO so choose?

Show where I “avoid his other condemnations of those that sin.” (Pay particular attention to the paragraph that begins “He is right, however...”)

Your entire response to me has been intellectually dishonest. You have lied about what I have stated, you have implied I have done something I have clearly not. And you have, by throwing out accusatory gobbledygook and garbage, pretended to challenge my position while completely avoiding the very core of my argument - which is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty

81 posted on 08/14/2013 3:23:35 PM PDT by GilesB
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