Skip to comments.The SCOTUS Just Woke Up a Sleeping Giant (Vanity)
Posted on 06/28/2012 7:54:12 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa
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No I didn’t say that...I said give Pennsylvania a decent Republican choice and they will vote....They sure as hell voted for Reagan. You knew exactly what I was saying. You big government lovers sure make me laugh...although you guys are sad.
Well, you can believe Romney is a socialist by your narrow-minded definition, but just because someone thinks the gov't should handle a particular aspect of life doesn't make them socialist.
Ok, for the sake of argument let's just say Romney is a socialist. I believe he enacted a socialist healthcare system in MA. However, Romney has not tried to destroy the economy in MA. Romney doesn't hate free enterprise, Romney is not an anti-capitalist. Romney is not hiding his past and spending millions of dollars so people won't find out who he truly is. On the other hand Obama and his ilk do hate the American Ideal and all those fore mentioned things. Obama at the very least is a radical anti-American and that's without being able to see his true past. Obama is trying to destroy what is good about America, Romney will do everything he can to repeal this Monstrosity as he indicated yesterday, and judging by the campaign contributions in just 20 hours (4.2m) people believe him. All he has to do is try to repeal this and he's got it made with conservatives.
No matter what you argue, Romney the rino is worth it for the sake of trying to STOP Obama from destroying this country because I do believe in this case, Romney would be saving this republic from a LIAR, a true socialist, anti-American, charlatan.
No rino in office can turn around an electorate faster than what happened yesterday! It's shocking!
I have seen NOTHING to indicate that Romney would cut back on the amount of regulations/fees/taxes that businesses pay, and without that the economy is doomed. I have seen nothing to indicate that he would reduce the size, or scope, of government; without that America is doomed (you simply cannot spend more than you make w/o consequence). And, most of all:
You assume that Romney is not a liar himself!
It's been recorded that he wants to keep "the good parts" of Obamacare.
In fact, the idea I read about his "repeal" is horrible: issuing waivers to the states. This is horrible only if you stop a moment and realize that what waiver is written can by that same authority be voided. This means that Romney, or some future President, could use this to extort the states.
We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them...you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden.-- Atlas Shrugged
The ironic part of this whole argument is you are actually trying to persuade me to live under Obama tyranny! You have to deal with the reality which is upon us.
Obama, the anti-American, who wishes to systematically destroy the foundation of this nation, or Romney, the pro-American.
Sorry folks. I disagree with a lot of FReepers on this: this a hands down win. Chief justice Arnold with one ruling did what no one else could: showed beyond a reasonable doubt that the game we’re playing is rigged.
We can’t win a rigged game. Period. The only way we win is to either change the rules of the game or pick up our marbles and walk away. Or both.
Unrealistic reality? -- Sigh/You aren't listening to what I am saying.
The fact that you even entertain the idea Romney would govern like Obama is ludicrous.
I'm not saying he'd govern like Obama; but that he would do nothing [significant] to undo what Obama has done. The whole "issue waivers to all 50 states" idea is exactly that... but hey, you really should let that lull you into a false sense of security because, after all, Romney (or some future future President) would never threaten extortion via rescinding the waver[s]! No! They're as pure as the Holy Virgin covered in snow and topped with gold atoms!
It's like the whole false sense of security that Posse Comitaeus is: the Constitution specifically allows for the militia to "enforce the laws of the Union." (And yes, that can be applied to the active-military: they too are citizens, and through the magic of subsets, part of the militia.)
Furthermore, it sounds as though you do not have a firm grasp on what 4 more years of Obama would do to this country.
It sounds to me like you do not have a firm grip on what a false sense of security (to wit: Romney) will do to the country. These statists want you to think "Yay! We got someone on our side in!" because, let's face it, it'll keep you from getting fighting-mad. I say again, appeasing you and the Republicans, plays into the hands of the Statists because it releases your anger 'safely'.
Again, let me ask: what about Romney gives you even the hope that he will reduce the size and scope of government? What makes you think that he will encourage fiscal responsibility/accountability? Moreover, what makes you think that he is for capitalism, real capitalism, and not fascistic crony capitalism?
Which decision are you reffering to?
I was referring to aca, but coming hot on the heels of the Az decision adds a certain exclamation point.
We have our answer. The PTB will act to defend the interests of the PTB. The game is rigged and continuing to play it under the existing rules is futile.
Alright, this is a fair question, BUT misses my point completely. My answer to your question is Romney will NOT reduce the size of gov't. But, that's not what matters at THIS POINT! Although, I believe Romney most certainly will try to repeal Obamacare.
Let's agree on one thing: We will either have Obama another 4 years or Romney. Those are the ONLY two realistic choices for POTUS.
And my point is Romney is not an anti-capitalist, American Idea hater. Among my choice for POTUS I have to do what I can legally to remove a person who is trying to destroy the greatest way of life and political system on the face of this earth and in the history of the world. Voting for Romney, even though it pains me so is the ONLY alternative.
The POTUS is, let's be honest, irrelevant in a system where the Congress would constrain his actions. Further, the POTUS will not be held to account by the current Government, such is already proven beyond reasonable doubt. Question: Would a Republican congress hold Romney in check when it is proven not to do so for Obama? If so, why?
My argument: It would be better to get honest, just, people of integrity into the Congress and cede the presidency as a lost cause. (It is, even if we put G. Washington in office he would be blocked from doing right by this statist government; we need to cut out the idea that position-of-authority = right-and-just; ie that those in a position of authority should be always deferred to because of that position of authority. Ref the USSC in their recent decisions.)
And my point is Romney is not an anti-capitalist, American Idea hater.
He is a statist, and will do nothing of significance to reduce the size and scope of the government. Therefore, he is not a friend of freedom and liberty, but by his actions would show if not a hatred for America then at least indifference.
Among my choice for POTUS I have to do what I can legally to remove a person who is trying to destroy the greatest way of life and political system on the face of this earth and in the history of the world. Voting for Romney, even though it pains me so is the ONLY alternative.
And I refuse to give in on this point. Just because he'll keep things the same is no justification to vote for him: things are, in my mind, utterly intolerable. To [vote to] keep them that way is folly and would only prompt my conscience to condemn me; therefore I will not, and cannot, vote for Romney.
But I do wonder: what would it take for people to get fighting mad? Bloody angry. Worked up enough to right the evils to which we have become accustomed.
How do you change the rules of the game; seriously? Also, if you pick up your marbles and walk away, what country are you headed to? If you end up in a good, Conservative Republic somewhere, let us all know where it is. We may want to follow.
You big government lovers sure make me laugh...although you guys are sad.
Yeah, that’s right..... we “big government lovers”.... yeppers you got it. And, btw, just wait until we “big government lovers” and our “Dear Leader” take over your Health Care in 2014. You’ll be sorry you were so mean to us. You might even be sorry that you did not man-up, admit your guy did not win the GOP Primary, suck it up and vote for Mitt Romney in 2012, when you are sitting by smelly, homeless people while eating your free lunch in the soup kitchen down on the boulevard. Oh.... wait.... by 2014, you’ll probably be homeless and smelly too. No problem.
There is no more conservative republic. Only what we have. I see that changing though, when some of our states start to see the advantages of going it solo.
While I’m not a secessionist and don’t favor that course for Virginia at this point, the logic very well may prove compelling for other states. In that sense they’ll be picking up their marbles and walking away. That’s also a rule changer in and of itself. I see other possible changes as well.
I have no intention of voting for romney or obama and I'd rather not even be pinged to political threads. I have no dog in this fight and also have no intention of "not voting".
WTH do you think happens now? The people who possess these traits you mentioned are sent to congress with the best intentions to change it and they end up falling into a system where they "think" they are powerless.
I view your argument as not wrong, to the contrary, you are mostly right, the problem is we are arguing two different issues I believe. The only thing which needs to change now is to remove Obama and his ilk from office and deal with Romney the rino later. However, now might be the right time where change is going to happen as you describe it in this election because people are so outraged by this SC decision.
My main point and what matters most in November is to remove the anti-capitalist, corporation hater in the WH.
Furthermore, under Romney the economy will immediately improve because people's outlook will change.
Sorry... I have removed your name from my ping list.
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