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What if ...? (Hes not a natural born citizen)
WND.com ^ | June 21, 2012 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 06/22/2012 9:27:36 AM PDT by Perseverando

Exclusive: Joseph Farah explains why he won't buckle on Obama eligibility issue

It’s clear Republicans in office and seeking office this year are not going to attack Barack Obama where he is most vulnerable – his very legitimacy to hold office under the Constitution as a “natural born citizen.”

He’s not a natural born citizen.

At least by his own admission, he was a dual citizen at birth. Of course, Obama is not known for telling the truth – or even the same lie.

Prior to presidential ambitions he apparently got in 2007, he and his literary surrogates boasted of his being “Kenyan-born.” I don’t know if that story was true or not. But it really doesn’t matter. It also doesn’t matter where he was born, but there is great suspicion and plenty of evidence to suggest he is lying with his new cover story about a Hawaiian birth.

But let’s suppose for a moment that the evidence of Obama’s ultimate election fraud becomes overwhelming after he leaves office in 2013, assuming he is defeated and has the decency to do what all past defeated presidents have done throughout American history.

What then?

What will it tell the American people about the enabling Republicans who were too afraid to challenge Obama when it really counted?

What will it mean for all of the legislation Obama signed during his four years in office?

What will it mean for the U.S. Supreme Court justices appointed for life terms by Obama?

What if the indisputable facts become widely known – or perhaps even proven in a court of law?

Will Republicans just go on with business as usual?

Will it change the course of American history?

Or will we still be in a position where we just can’t talk about matters of constitutional

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; farah; joefarah; josephfarah; misprisionoffelony; naturalborncitizen; pelosi; perjury; subornationofperjury; wnd
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To: Godebert
You and I both know that will never happen...

I can think of about a dozen folks need a neck stretching way before these traitors

41 posted on 06/22/2012 12:49:56 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: Perseverando

Even more troubling is we have “conservative” media who refuse to cover the Eligibility story...even attacking and ridiculing those who do

By now, if you are supposedly “conservative media” and are still refusing to cover Obama Eligibility, and attacking those who want it covered....you are actively helping in Obama’s re-election

Not only has the GOP been chicken-poop scared....the so-called “conservative media” has been limp as well


42 posted on 06/22/2012 12:49:56 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (When I said "close the borders", I did not mean the bookstore chain)
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To: Godebert
You and I both know that will never happen...

I can think of about a dozen folks need a neck stretching way before these traitors

43 posted on 06/22/2012 12:50:13 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: TimPatriot

Then why all the fuss? There’s something phoney about the whole thing. Sometimes I wonder if Stanley is even his mother. Who knows anything about this freak? Even he’s likely tripped up over all his fakery somewhere along the line.


44 posted on 06/22/2012 12:57:58 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Strategerist

You do realize that the HDOH has recently indirectly confirmed that the record they have for Obama is not legally valid - which means that they knew both BC’s Obama posted were forgeries as well as the newspaper birth announcements, and that they knew he used a different BC his entire life.... and yet they deceived the whole country and world. Right?

And you think that doesn’t matter? If the whole system can lie to us about everything and keep the truth from making any difference, then exactly what DOES matter? What can’t they do to us, if the above is just tripe, as you say?

The issue at this point is whether there is enough solid fabric left in America to make it even possible to mend and patch this nation into a workable piece again. If none of the above matters, then we don’t have enough integrity for ANYTHING to make a difference. Maybe you’re right; maybe that’s where America is at. If so, stick a fork in her, ‘cause she’s done.

I’m holding on, just in case there are still enough people who want to live in America, and not the third-world cartel-controlled, lawless hellhole that America is fast becoming. Any system that allowed Obama to get in and do this to us is perfectly capable of turning Mitt Romney into the same thing. If you don’t see that, then you are deceiving yourself about how big an enemy America truly faces.


45 posted on 06/22/2012 1:00:19 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: SeminoleCounty

They’ve been threatened. That’s confirmed by Mike Zullo of Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse. And that’s another reason why this isn’t just about some tee-hee side issue. This issue was important enough that Soros’ people were willing to take even the CONSERVATIVE media hostage. And what’s even scarier is that Soros has something that is able to hold the entire conservative media hostage. I think it’s far bigger than just eligibility. I think Soros holds the entire system hostage to the threat of another run on the bank by he and his communist-Islamist alliance.

We are not talking piddles here. We are talking about things being so torn apart and dysfunctional that the Soros people believe they can do anything. And when you look at the breakneck speed at which Obama is claiming dictatorial powers - such as the right to assassinate US citizens for any reason at any time, no questions asked - I can’t help but ask, “Who would ever stop him from doing anything he darn well pleased? If this guy committed murder right in front of our faces, who would arrest him?”

I know first-hand what some of Obama’s lawlessness means. Brian Terry is not the only casualty of this regime’s murderous schemes - nor will he be the last. Mark my words.

Let me just give one more hint. We can’t even get a doctor to take a look at us without the government having a record of what the doctor found. That means that every assassination can be made to appear “natural”. Anybody who visits a doctor can be a sitting target. That’s the power that Obama has claimed and I don’t see Romney coming anywhere close to rebuking him for it.

We are lambs being led to the slaughter. If we refuse to see the corpses littering the path it’s our own darn fault when we’re next.


46 posted on 06/22/2012 1:24:59 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: New Jersey Realist

Obama was not born in Hawaii, nor was he in Hawaii within the first 30 days of his birth. If he had been, he would have a LEGALLY-VALID Hawaii birth certificate. But Alvin Onaka just indirectly confirmed to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that the birth record Hawaii has for Obama is not legally valid.

http://www.coachisright.com/howd-you-like-a-nice-hawaiian-sucker-punch/

Whatever BC Obama has been using his whole life - it was NOT from Hawaii. And Hawaii officials have known that all along.


47 posted on 06/22/2012 1:28:49 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I’d really like to believe all this but all I see is legal mumbo jumbo that makes no sense to me. Until ONE of you conspiracy kook can prove this BEYONE ANY DOUBT and legal minds believe it, then I’ll follow suit. I am reminded of the Jonestown massacre. People believed and died. I will not drink your kool aid!


48 posted on 06/22/2012 1:45:02 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist
What kind of cheese? ... I prefer an extra sharp or a smoked Gouda. And you? ... Probably fake cheese wrapped in plastic. ;^)
49 posted on 06/22/2012 1:46:04 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

No, I like American white cheese.


50 posted on 06/22/2012 1:54:55 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist
The Tennessee Democrat party evidently doesn't believe Obama is eligible for office since they are they don't have to nominate someone who is eligible.
"Defendants assert that the Tennessee Democratic Party has the right to nominate whoever it chooses to run as a candidate, including someone who is not qualified for the office."

51 posted on 06/22/2012 1:57:46 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

They can nominate anyone they want but we have to rely upon (I don’t know who) to ascertain eligibility. I sent a letter to Chief Justice Roberts and told him I believed that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and he shouldn’t swear him in. GUESS WHAT?


52 posted on 06/22/2012 2:05:35 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: onedoug
"if he was born in Hawaii, then there’d be no problem."

There would still be a problem if 0bama's CoB showed his father to be a foreign national (or, worse, if his CoB showed NO father).

53 posted on 06/22/2012 2:05:52 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: edge919

Also, Edge, I was on the birther side back then but I read other FReepers comments that caused me to REALLY look into it that ultimately led me to doubt the NBC clause in a Vattel sense. You might say I went to the dark side but until legal authorities state otherwise, I’ll obey the law. In other words, I am not convinced that our president requires citizen parents. Born in the USA rules with this Jersey boy!


54 posted on 06/22/2012 2:10:12 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist

??
You asked, “Since when is Hawaii another country”

I NEVER said Hi was another country. i was referring to the possibility he was born in kenya as he stated for 16 years in his literary bio
and which was brought up in this thread.


55 posted on 06/22/2012 2:22:42 PM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: sten

thank you for pointing out someone born in USA is not necessarily a Natural Born Citizen

People never stop to ask themselves why in our constitution does the ONLY article requiring a Natural Born citizen pertain to our President.
People never stop to ask because they don’t want to accept the truth. our Constitution sets a higher standard for qualificartions of POTUS than it does for any other office


56 posted on 06/22/2012 2:30:28 PM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: New Jersey Realist

If you doubt the Vatel definition then what do you think is the distinction between being a citizne to be in congress
and being a NBC to be POTUS??
Why are there 2 different sets of qualifications ?


57 posted on 06/22/2012 2:33:18 PM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: New Jersey Realist

There isn’t a “birther” side of this issue, the real law. The Supreme Court cited Minor as the primary precedent on presidential elgibility. Since Minor rejected an argument of citizenship based on the 14th amendment, they effectively rejected any notion that NBC can be defined only on the basis of the place of birth. Otherwise, they should have accepted Minor’s argument, but they didn’t. What other reason would there be for talking about the citizenship of the parents in defining someone’s citizenship, if not for how it exclusively defines NBC??


58 posted on 06/22/2012 2:53:36 PM PDT by edge919
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To: New Jersey Realist

Bennett gave a list of birth claims. Onaka was required to repeat back to Bennett any of those claims that matched what was on a legally-valid record, thus verifying them as the true birth facts. Bennett gave Onaka the facts listed on Obama’s long-form. But though Onaka said that the claims matched what was claimed on their record, he refused to verify any of those facts as true.

The only legal justification for Onaka’s response is that the birth record they have is not legally valid.

It’s actually very simple.

And it matches what HI officials have said and done in the past.

I have an article that lays it all out very clearly. Unfortunately, the day that a well-known editor asked me to finish the draft of it, he became ill and has been ill ever since - about 2 weeks now. Days later I became sick as well and am undergoing tests right now to find out what’s going on. What I am experiencing is very similar to what I experienced when I made contact with the counsel for Terry Lakin (regarding evidence that Obama’s HI BC is AMENDED and thus not legally valid) - one day before the sheathing for the wiring in my husband’s car was either cut or “decayed” uniformly...

Like Sheriff Joe, I never asked to be on the front lines of the battle with Obama’s criminality. I just wanted the HDOH to say in clear terms to me what everybody was claiming they had already said in a public announcement. It was their lawless and/or criminal responses instead which put me in the position I’m in now.


59 posted on 06/22/2012 3:15:07 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

If anyone would know it’d be you ... what was the female age of consent in Hawaii back then (#10 has her giving birth at 18 yo so something might have happened when she was 17)?

Was the pResident’s daddy a statutory rapist? Wiki gives her Bday as 11/29/42. She’d have to given it up on her Bday and still had the bamster a month premature? Either way we know he’s a bastard. Right? Just curious ;-)


60 posted on 06/22/2012 3:20:03 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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