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Decision (6/18): SCOTUS Decision Open thread [upd at 136: "finished issuing opinions until Thurs"]

Posted on 06/18/2012 3:41:16 AM PDT by Perdogg

Today the court is handing down decisions, possibly in the Arizona Immigration Law case.

Make your Prediction on:

1. Az Immigration law 2a. Heathcare Mandate 2b. Heathcare Servability 3. Stolen Valor Act


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To: Marathoner
And, if so, will the Repubs finally grow a pair and confront him?

It's too early for rhetorical questions.

51 posted on 06/18/2012 5:40:37 AM PDT by mykroar (October race riots bring November martial law.)
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To: SueRae

Romney is not who I wanted to vote for, but this household will be casting 3 votes for him in November.

141 days, indeed. We are wondering what evil the Kenyan will try to foist upon us during the 141 days.


52 posted on 06/18/2012 5:42:44 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: MHGinTN
... Paulson leading Bush around by the nose at the end of his term ...

A perfect description of the last year of George W. Bush's term in office.

53 posted on 06/18/2012 5:45:04 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: Pollster1
1. Az Immigration law. (5-3 in favor of AZ and the rule of law)

This is key. I don't see how they not uphold the law. Ruling in favor of Arizona slaps down his little hissy fit executive order.

54 posted on 06/18/2012 5:45:22 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Perdogg

later


55 posted on 06/18/2012 5:46:39 AM PDT by quintr
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To: Perdogg
Scotus Blog will be live with decisions as they are rendered.
56 posted on 06/18/2012 5:49:02 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (The private sector is doing fine.)
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To: jersey117

Actually, the SCOTUS is not the slapper, that remains the responsibility of the feckless Congress. Let’s see what the low IQ legislature does about their powerrs being usurped. My guess is nothing.


57 posted on 06/18/2012 5:49:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Perdogg
Prayers for our nation.

I will keep and eye open for this thread today. Thanks for getting things rolling with this post.

58 posted on 06/18/2012 5:49:56 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: wiggen

To be clear Kagan recused on the AZ law, not the Healthcare law.

It was weeks ago, don’t have the date.

At the time, people said she did that just to make people think she was being fair when refusing to recuse herself on the other one.

She actually had much to do with both while in the executive branch.


59 posted on 06/18/2012 5:50:42 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: MHGinTN
It doesn't legally slap him down but it will take some of the wind out of his sails and hopefully embolden the chicken $h&t republicans in Congress to address it.
60 posted on 06/18/2012 5:52:57 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: montag813

“Kagan had to recuse herself since she helped the administration fight S.B 1070 as Solicitor General prior to her nomination”

And, of course, was up to her fat eyeballs on ObummerCare as Solicitor General but refused to recuse on that one. And the spineless Republicans would not make an issue of it.


61 posted on 06/18/2012 5:53:28 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: jersey117

Actually, AZ argues their law mirrors federal law. That’s their strong basis.

If the court agrees and upholds, it doesn’t settle the question of Obama’s order, it seems to me, but throws everything up against the wall.

AZ tries to help enforce the law AS WRITTEN by Congress.

Now Obama jumps up and claims the executive can enforce the law any old way he wants to for an Obama-desired outcome.

That means AZ and Obama would be trying to enforce two different laws, but which one is the TRUE federal law...as written, or with Obama enforcement changes?????

I don’t think that settles. It MUDDLES.

Steve King from Iowa says he will sue the administration in federal court to stop them from doing this.


62 posted on 06/18/2012 5:59:14 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Perdogg

I’m laying aside the heavy mantel of skepticism to predict the Supreme Court just might begin to turn this nation around today, at least with the Arizona Immigration Act and with Obama care.

I would guess they still have to defeat the Stolen Valor Act because of the First Amendment.

Still, Obama is about to have a terrible, no good, very bad day.


63 posted on 06/18/2012 6:01:44 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Perdogg

I’m laying aside the heavy mantel of skepticism to predict the Supreme Court just might begin to turn this nation around today, at least with the Arizona Immigration Act and with Obama care.

I would guess they still have to defeat the Stolen Valor Act because of the First Amendment.

Still, Obama is about to have a terrible, no good, very bad day.


64 posted on 06/18/2012 6:01:44 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: MHGinTN

Steve King from Iowa said he is filing a lawsuit in federal court to stop Obama.


65 posted on 06/18/2012 6:01:44 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Perdogg

I think we win all of these cases unanimously because politics has nothing to do with it and the law is clear..

Ha HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH lol


66 posted on 06/18/2012 6:02:00 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: jersey117

What if AZ continues with the law as written...ie, their law mirrors federal law as written, while O claims he can change the law at his whim? And if AZ can, so can other states who might so choose.

I happen to think states are key in this and in the healthcare.

They need to push back. They are in the best position to challenge.

As for Congress, don’t know about the rest of ‘em but Steve King says he’s filing suit against O in federal court, just like he filed in state court against Vilsack in Iowa when he tried to change Iowa law by fiat.


67 posted on 06/18/2012 6:07:23 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

How did that suit turn out?


68 posted on 06/18/2012 6:08:10 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: traditional1

And what will you say if you are wrong on any one of your total doomsday predictions?


69 posted on 06/18/2012 6:08:58 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: MHGinTN
-- Bush worked for the globalists but under the radar --

Heh - his "stealth" attributes were mighty weak. Followed and tracked his daddy's "New World Order" vision and admission rather tightly.

70 posted on 06/18/2012 6:09:23 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: John W

The Iowa Supremes sided with King.


71 posted on 06/18/2012 6:12:41 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Perdogg

Intrade has the Individual Mandate going down at a 76% chance.
I’ll take that.
If it goes down I can’t see the law surviving with or without the court’s approval.


72 posted on 06/18/2012 6:14:00 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Perdogg

IF the Az law is upheld, that will, hopefully, open the flood-gates for other states to follow suit.


73 posted on 06/18/2012 6:14:56 AM PDT by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: Biggirl

Salute!


74 posted on 06/18/2012 6:16:03 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Perdogg

The chattering classes seem oddly quiet this morning; did a little birdy tell them the Obamacare and Arizona decisions won’t come until next week?


75 posted on 06/18/2012 6:20:33 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (The private sector is doing fine.)
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To: TonyInOhio

A note: the ACA Litigation Blog, apparently respected in legal circles (I know, not saying much) thinks the Obamacare decision will not be rendered until at least next Monday.


76 posted on 06/18/2012 6:26:56 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (The private sector is doing fine.)
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To: Cboldt

Did he invade Iraq and Afghanistan for the New World Order and his “daddy”?

Why didn’t he sit back and let the U.N. decide? He did go to the U.N. about it but led THEM and was not led BY them. He made clear the authorization he sought was from Congress. Compare that to what we have now.

BTW, this thread isn’t about Bush is it?

But since you try to make it so, as in my examples above, it’s barely possible he did other things that we either agree or disagree with but because he believed they were the correct choice at the time, not because they were “NWO” and “daddy”.

His book Decision Points explains his reasoning behind major decisions, or, why he called ‘em as he saw ‘em.

According to you, his book should have been entitled, Why the New World Order and Daddy MADE ME DO EVERYTHING.

Balderdash.


77 posted on 06/18/2012 6:27:28 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette
-- BTW, this thread isn't about Bush is it? --

No, it's not.

78 posted on 06/18/2012 6:32:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: wastedyears

A judge or justice has a duty to recuse him/herself if there is a conflict of interest as in this case where Kagan was this Administration’s Solicitor General when the suit vs. AZ began. You wouldn’t want a judge deciding on a case s/he started, would you?

I think the AZ decision comes down today but they will hold on the O’Care till the last Monday of the term. Add to the drama. I would imagine writing the opinion(s) will be very time consuming.


79 posted on 06/18/2012 6:32:51 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Perdogg

In the health care thing, Roberts is also a potential problem because he has a reputation of being loath to overrule the legislature.


80 posted on 06/18/2012 6:34:42 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Perdogg
My predictions:

Health Care Mandate: Struck down 5-4.

Obamacare: Upheld 6-3.

81 posted on 06/18/2012 6:37:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: All
I pray to God your predictions are correct. Nail biter time here. Socialized Medicine and the future of our Republic on the line. Socialized Medicine + Gun Control (second term) = Total Tyranny. We are indeed at a crossroads.
82 posted on 06/18/2012 6:39:55 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I’m sick to my stomach right now.

Drink down a few raw eggs, then wash it down with the water from tuna cans.

That should calm you right down.

83 posted on 06/18/2012 6:40:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: Cboldt

Maybe, if you KNOW that, your’re a “hit Bush with the cheap shot and run” artist, then?


84 posted on 06/18/2012 6:40:10 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: napscoordinator
We should be winning everything that is for the Constitution but unfortunately our Republican Presidents are just as bad if not worse than the Democratic Presidents when picking Justices.

Funny how that works...

85 posted on 06/18/2012 6:42:17 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I’m sick to my stomach right now. I didn’t think I would be nervous, but I am.

Meh...the worst they can do is kill me, and then I don't have to put up with their bullsh*t any more...

86 posted on 06/18/2012 6:45:24 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: PapaNew
The SC is irrelevant. Obama will ignore them. He already set the stage for characterizing them as obstructionist and right wing.

He will continue to advance HIS version of immigration reform.

He will implement ObamaCare through executive mandates and other quasi legal methods.

He is not demonstrated any inclination to live within the bounds of the Constitution.

And NO ONE has shown any inclination to forcefully stand up to him.

My Prediction: SC decisions are irrelevant. Amnesty for illegals and Socialized Medical care will become facts.

87 posted on 06/18/2012 6:46:00 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: txrangerette
-- Maybe, if you KNOW that, your're a "hit Bush with the cheap shot and run" artist, then? --

I was expressing my true sentiment. I have a generally favorable opinion of GWB, but at the same time, I believe he was and is a globalist, and some of the actions he took really grate on me.

In this thread, I was just making a brief and offhand remark in response to an off the cuff remark by another poster that GWB was "stealthy" about his ties to globalist forces; which, IIRC, was brought up as a tangent to GWB's nominiation of Roberts to the US Supreme Court.

You get the last word. I'm certain that you and I would not get along well in a debate, and I have other things to do. Claim victory if you want, I don't care.

88 posted on 06/18/2012 6:51:21 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Awgie

It isn’t quite true that nobody stands up to him.

There are states that are fighting like cornered cats against Obama on a whole host of fronts.

The Supreme Court isn’t irrelevant, as its function is to state what the law is and is not.

If he is ruled against, but ignores the ruling, STATES are on completely solid ground to ignore Obama.


89 posted on 06/18/2012 6:51:35 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Better than predicting, we should all get on our knees and pray.

Amen!

90 posted on 06/18/2012 6:54:31 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Jane Long

I’m praying


91 posted on 06/18/2012 6:57:06 AM PDT by Quick Shot
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To: Cboldt

Well, the last word doesn’t matter so much as what actually happened.

What I think happened was he called em as he saw em and got some right and some wrong.

There was no grand NWO and daddy driving him to do everything, was there Mr Cboldt?

The NWO was totally against AMERICA lifting a finger to do anything about 9-11 or perceived weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but under W, AMERICA did anyway.

Some of his decisions were just plain mistaken, but he wasn’t conspiring against the country and was the best of the Bushes.

That might not be saying much, but he’s light years better than daddy and mega light years better than Jeb.

Not to mention, algore and Jean Francoise Kerrie, eh?


92 posted on 06/18/2012 6:59:20 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

Orders up first and starting now, opinions next


93 posted on 06/18/2012 7:01:16 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (The private sector is doing fine.)
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To: Perdogg; wesagain; Pollster1; Ken H; EQAndyBuzz; Principled; Lazamataz
On your predictions, how do you fill in the blanks and why?

Healthcare Mandate and Healthcare Servability:
3 Against: Scalia, Thomas, Alito
4 For: Sotomayor, Kagan, Ginsburg, Breyer
1 ? Kennedy__________
1 ? Roberts__________
(Remember Roberts has a reputation for not going against the legislature.)

94 posted on 06/18/2012 7:02:06 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: TonyInOhio

Is there an online link we can watch for the decisions?


95 posted on 06/18/2012 7:02:45 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Theodore R.

Lets not forget about Sandra Day O`Connor. Would not want to be her when I met my Maker


96 posted on 06/18/2012 7:03:34 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST)
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To: TonyInOhio
El Falastini, another GITMO case, denied cert
97 posted on 06/18/2012 7:04:06 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (The private sector is doing fine.)
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To: Jane Long
AMEN!!!!!

Better than predicting, we should all get on our knees and pray.

Amen!

98 posted on 06/18/2012 7:04:06 AM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: rawhide

http://www.scotusblog.com/cover-it-live/


99 posted on 06/18/2012 7:05:27 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: rawhide
ScotusBlog
100 posted on 06/18/2012 7:05:37 AM PDT by Cboldt
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