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Constitutional Work Around: New Jersey Legislators Move To Ban Ammunition
SHTF Plan ^ | 1-30-2012 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 01/30/2012 1:45:21 PM PST by blam

Constitutional Work Around: New Jersey Legislators Move To Ban Ammunition

Mac Slavo
January 30th, 2012

While the second amendment protects our right to bear arms, some anti-gun advocates think they may have found a loophole. This afternoon the New Jersey Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee is set to consider two bills (Assembly Bill 588 and Assembly Bill 1013) that would essentially ban all handgun ammunition in the state, as well as some (or potentially all) rifle ammunition.

Sponsored by Assemblyman L. Grace Spencer (D-29), A588 is cleverly disguised as police safety legislation aimed at armor piercing ammunition (which is already prohibited under federal and state law). The measure actually opens the door to a sweeping ammunition ban by an unelected public official by executive fiat.
Common hunting, target, and self-defense ammunition would be subject to ban, along with BB’s, airgun pellets, and non-metallic ammunition like plastic airsoft pellets, if the Attorney General decides that they pose a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement.

Although the bill only mentions handgun ammunition, it is in fact not limited to handgun ammunition, and would apply to all rifle ammunition for which a handgun is ever made. As an increasing number of gun manufacturers make handgun models that shoot rifle caliber ammunition, the line between “handgun” vs. “rifle” ammunition has become blurred, and the New Jersey State Police have already begun treating rifle ammunition in this category as if it were handgun ammunition for regulatory purposes. As long as a handgun exists that shoots a particular caliber of rifle ammunition, New Jersey treats that ammunition as if it were handgun ammunition.

Source: NRA Institute For Legislative Action

As Aaron Dykes of Infowars points out, the bills themselves would not outlaw the ammunition, but they “would enable the state’s Attorney General to instate a de facto restriction of the Second Amendment via executive fiat.”

In essence, if the Attorney General determines that a particular type of ammunition poses a threat to the police or government officials, that ammunition could be completely banned under this new legislation.

The goal, of course, is to render the Second Amendment impotent – the ultimate endgame of those who would brink the darkness of tyranny over our great nation.

By all accounts, as SGT Report highlights in their latest micro-documentary (available below), the government has rebelled against the people, and they are working feverishly to eliminate, one by one, each of the Constitutional protections that have ensured the peoples’ right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for over two centuries.

I want to make the case that there has been a rebellion.

This government has rebelled against the Constitution and against the citizens of the United States. The invasion of the public safety has been made by the representatives of the people.

the public safety could not be more at risk now, that the NDAA containing S1867, is law. The signing of NDAA was the crossing of the Rubicon. The government has now pushed farther than could have been imagined even 12 or 18 short months ago.

I have long believed that the final straw will come when this government attempts to ban guns or ammunition, or declare a confiscation of precious metals.

They will keep pushing, as all tyrants do, until the people push back. This latest transgression of our freedoms may be limited to a single state, but if approved, would open the door to similar bans across the entire country.

As Alex Jones warns in a recent update, those who would make us slaves and strip us of our natural rights are doing so at an accelerated rate.

It’s really simple. We’re getting down to the wire here. Tyranny is out in the open. The destruction of our basic liberties, the overthrow of our republic and basic protections, and basic checks and balances, is in overdrive right now.

Four years ago, had someone told you that the government would take over major financial institutions, manufacturers, and insurance companies, or that they would legislate universal health mandates or indefinite detention of American citizens without trial, or that they would grope your children at public venues and transportation hubs, would you have believed them?

Most Americans would have balked at the very thought of such things.

Yet here we are. And the scary thing? They’re not finished yet. They won’t be; not until the Constitution of the United States is relegated to nothing more than a historical text in some museum rather than what it was meant to be – the fundamental law of the land.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; bloodoftyrants; constitution; corruption; cwii; democrats; donttreadonme; govtabuse; guns; liberalfascism; liberals; lping; newjersey; progressives; tyranny; waronliberty; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 01/30/2012 1:45:28 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Some folks simply need a baseball bat upside the head.
There is no constitutional difference between an arbitrary ban on ammunition and any other infringement on our 2nd Amendment rights.


2 posted on 01/30/2012 1:52:24 PM PST by G Larry (We need Bare Knuckles Newt to fight this battle.)
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To: blam
Oh hell...that means more New Jersians will be moving down here...

I can see their new car tags...instead of "The Garden State", it will be "The UNArmed State"...(criminals welcome).
3 posted on 01/30/2012 1:52:52 PM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: blam

The 2nd Amendment protects arms, not “guns”. Arms includes ammunition.


4 posted on 01/30/2012 1:55:35 PM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: blam

L Grace Spencer (S) 29 is an absolute Idiot!


5 posted on 01/30/2012 1:56:03 PM PST by mongo141
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To: blam

I was just at a local sporting goods store this afternoon, looking at a S&W M&P 15-22, and the owners said they’re already gearing up for the next run on guns and ammo. Legislation like this won’t help — better get it while you can.


6 posted on 01/30/2012 1:56:03 PM PST by AnglePark
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To: blam

It’s becoming very stylish to be a scofflaw!!


7 posted on 01/30/2012 1:56:21 PM PST by jakota (jakota)
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To: marktwain

Ping


8 posted on 01/30/2012 1:57:51 PM PST by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: blam
There are very few cartridges that have NOT been chambered in T/C Contender and Encore handguns.
9 posted on 01/30/2012 1:58:50 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: jakota
It’s becoming very stylish to be a scofflaw!!

There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.
-- From Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged
10 posted on 01/30/2012 2:02:33 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: FrankR
Yeah, I'm beginning to think that we need to ban all yankees, Califreaks and other Westcoasters from the South. If they want to screw up their own states let them, just don't bring that crap down here.

We need to put signs on our state borders: "This is Texas, libtards need not apply (we've already got enough of them)."
11 posted on 01/30/2012 2:04:10 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: blam
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Right to Bear Arms
12 posted on 01/30/2012 2:05:08 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: blam
These guys must be Chris Rock fans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II (Believe it or not video is on topic.)
13 posted on 01/30/2012 2:05:23 PM PST by 92nina
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To: blam
Americans are idiots if the cannot see that the communists are overthrowing our Constitutional promise of the right to protect ourselves. The entire Democrat machine are communists with many RINOs. Stop pulling punches before it is too late and we will never come back.
14 posted on 01/30/2012 2:07:29 PM PST by Logical me
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To: 92nina

I have a better idea than all of these -

let’s make crime illegal.


15 posted on 01/30/2012 2:08:14 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: trussell

Ping....


16 posted on 01/30/2012 2:09:52 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: G Larry
Yeah, I'm sure that, as long as we can maintain at least 4 conservatives and Kennedy in the court, this would absolutely fail the constitutionality test. It violates the intent of the 2nd amendment as clearly as any gun ban does. . . BUT . . . NJ residents had better wake up and NJ gun owners had better get active as hell or NJ will find a way to make life even more miserable for you.

Heck, it was while we were living in NJ (64-68) that my parents gave me my first rifle. And a couple of us kids always had BB guns. It's amazing what a few decades of liberalism can do to a state.
17 posted on 01/30/2012 2:10:02 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: blam

I don’t understand the problem with armor piercing rounds.

After all, what if I need to kill someone wearing body armor?

Another reason I am happy I left Jersey.


18 posted on 01/30/2012 2:10:13 PM PST by Never on my watch (As a matter of fact, IT IS something worth getting angry over!)
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To: blam

Apparently, the legislature feels that they must move to ban ammunition before the ammunition moves to ban them; an irrational fear, but...one they obviously entertain. Among the virtual plethora of things they fail to realize is that a move to ban ammunition — far from preempting a move of ammunition banning the legislature — may well trigger it. In this way, in their overreach, they actually make construct the one foundation upon which their formerly-irrational fear may become dreadful reality.

It’s like watching an old monster movie, and there’s that moment when the girl hears a weird noise, and the wannabe hero dude grabs a flashlight and heads off into the darkness to find out what it was.

You don’t have to be Cecil B. deMille to write the next scene; it’s comin’ atcha like an express freight train; high-ball with lights and horns blaring.

If the Jersey State legislature were all Muslims, we’d observe that they were setting themselves up to be martyred for a more insidious cause.

I say to my Jersey FReinds, “Don’t get incited to take their bait!” Keep mum, wait, and give ‘em both barrels at the ballot box. THAT’S kickin’ it old school.


19 posted on 01/30/2012 2:12:06 PM PST by HKMk23 (YHVH NEVER PLAYS DEFENSE)
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To: blam

From the esteemed

The assemblywoman cited the clash between busness and environmental interests as the main battle zone.

“Business and economics are oftentimes not on the same page with the environment, and people on the economic side are trying to create opportunities at the expense of the environment,” she said. “Our charge is to explore how our economic opportunities can complement and enhance the environment.

“I’m not for overdevelopment,” the new chair added. “In our own little way we are affecting climate change with overdevelopment and losing our open spaces. We need to be creating more green spaces.”

http://www.politickernj.com/53942/spencer-takes-over-environmental-committee

Her webpage: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/bio.asp?leg=288


20 posted on 01/30/2012 2:13:03 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: neverdem; blam

>> Source: NRA Institute For Legislative Action

ping


21 posted on 01/30/2012 2:13:19 PM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: 92nina

That was funny. Ever see his 10 minute youtube on racism?


22 posted on 01/30/2012 2:14:32 PM PST by houeto
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To: wac3rd

Sorry, “From the esteemed Lefty gun-grabber”


23 posted on 01/30/2012 2:15:22 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: blam
Constitutional work-around? I wonder what would happen to tax receipts if the citizens of the state would start requiring the state to comply with Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution...

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility

24 posted on 01/30/2012 2:23:53 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: blam

Wow, what a bunch of psychotics...

They need some medical attention for their obsessive-compulsive disorder, it sounds like.


25 posted on 01/30/2012 2:40:55 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: FrankR
I can see their new car tags...instead of "The Garden State", it will be "The UNArmed State"...(criminals welcome).

Two things:

1 - The State would be very well armed; it's the law-abiding People who would be unarmed.

2 - The criminals don't need to be welcomed into New Jersey; they already run the place.

26 posted on 01/30/2012 2:42:57 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: jakota
It’s becoming very stylish to be a scofflaw!!

“when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns” Guess which side I will chose? (hint: my Tagline.)

27 posted on 01/30/2012 2:43:17 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

What is the position of that great “conservative” Governor Christie on this issue?


28 posted on 01/30/2012 2:52:56 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: blam
Hmmmmm...wonder what Romneys main dough boy Chris Christie has to say about this?
29 posted on 01/30/2012 3:19:13 PM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: MrB
let’s make crime illegal.

Surely, you jest, who would be left to vote for Bolshecrats.

30 posted on 01/30/2012 3:32:07 PM PST by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: littleharbour
What is the position of that great “conservative” Governor Christie on this issue?

Christie is an NJ conservative.
which means economic not social.

Christie gave a reprieve to Brian Aitken who was in the process of moving back to NJ from out west....he had guns in his trunk and received a “welcome back” sentence of 7 years in prison.

Christie could have given him full pardon and no mark on his record, but he gave him a reprieve from prison.

so Aitken is still a convicted felon and Christie is still an antigun social leftist.

but none of this is news

31 posted on 01/30/2012 3:35:33 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: blam
Just like fireworks.

"Look at all those ammo stores springing up across the state line."

32 posted on 01/30/2012 3:42:21 PM PST by Blogatron (Brought to you by The American Frog Council; 'Frog - The other green meat')
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To: Never on my watch

DITTO!


33 posted on 01/30/2012 3:44:20 PM PST by Renegade
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To: blam
It would be clearly unconstitutional to enact such a ban.
In inexact analogy would be selling someone a new car without an engine.
34 posted on 01/30/2012 4:00:15 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: blam

If this should happen the people of NJ move to ban the new jersey legislature.


35 posted on 01/30/2012 4:05:38 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Vaquero
Christie could have given him full pardon and no mark on his record, but he gave him a reprieve from prison.

so Aitken is still a convicted felon and Christie is still an antigun social leftist.

and Christie still backs Romney like he's the Messiah (gee, wonder what that says about Romney?).

but none of this is news

There, fixed it.

36 posted on 01/30/2012 4:22:17 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: blam
Can't take your guns, we'll control the Ammo (my title) 10/18/2000
"No bullets, they can't fire the weapons."

They aren't even bothering with the "green" route.

37 posted on 01/30/2012 4:27:15 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Durus
The 2nd Amendment protects arms, not “guns”. Arms includes ammunition.

In this context, the key part of the 2nd Amendment isn't "arms", but rather "bear".

The Amendment doesn't say "own" or "possess" or even "carry". It says "bear", which involves the ability to not only own/possess/carry, but also EMPLOY - if needed. You can own/possess/carry a firearm without needing ammo. You cannot "bear" without the ability to have ammo as well.
38 posted on 01/30/2012 4:31:31 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: blam
In essence, if the Attorney General determines that a particular type of ammunition poses a threat to the police or government officials, that ammunition could be completely banned under this new legislation.

That ban won't save the traitors from the rope.

Like the t-shirt says: "Our Forefathers would be shooting by now."

39 posted on 01/30/2012 5:14:51 PM PST by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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To: Sudetenland

The Civil War happened too early; 150 years later and Washngton DC would have fallen in a week.


40 posted on 01/30/2012 5:28:32 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: blam

They used to try this in Illinois, every couple years a bill to ban cop killing ammunition, aka 1000 fp at the muzzle or greater, aka virtually all long guns.


41 posted on 01/30/2012 5:30:05 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims¬óDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: G Larry

These kinds of people must her be allowed to ever have as much power as a crossing guard, ever again.


42 posted on 01/30/2012 5:57:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: mongo141


Shocker!/s
43 posted on 01/30/2012 5:58:12 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Durus

Most people had knives and swords back then when it was written. Faster to use on multiple attackers then.


44 posted on 01/30/2012 5:58:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Christie is a POS for not pardoning Aitken.


45 posted on 01/30/2012 6:00:37 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Never on my watch

That’s why God made groins and heads.


46 posted on 01/30/2012 6:00:37 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

That’s not a good analogy....the right to own and drive cars is not guaranteed by the Constitution.


47 posted on 01/30/2012 6:01:38 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Better analogy is the state allowing you to buy a car, but outlawing gasoline.


48 posted on 01/30/2012 6:03:21 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: blam

To voice opposition, the NJ Assembly Committee on Law and Public Safety can be reached at 609-292-5135.


49 posted on 01/30/2012 6:13:50 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: blam

Let me know when they will make it illegal to show the Movie “A Christmas Story” in New Jersey.

You’ll put your eye out kid...


50 posted on 01/30/2012 6:24:59 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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