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Posted on 01/30/2012 1:45:21 PM PST by blam
Constitutional Work Around: New Jersey Legislators Move To Ban Ammunition
January 30th, 2012
While the second amendment protects our right to bear arms, some anti-gun advocates think they may have found a loophole. This afternoon the New Jersey Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee is set to consider two bills (Assembly Bill 588 and Assembly Bill 1013) that would essentially ban all handgun ammunition in the state, as well as some (or potentially all) rifle ammunition.
Sponsored by Assemblyman L. Grace Spencer (D-29), A588 is cleverly disguised as police safety legislation aimed at armor piercing ammunition (which is already prohibited under federal and state law). The measure actually opens the door to a sweeping ammunition ban by an unelected public official by executive fiat.
Common hunting, target, and self-defense ammunition would be subject to ban, along with BBs, airgun pellets, and non-metallic ammunition like plastic airsoft pellets, if the Attorney General decides that they pose a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement.
Although the bill only mentions handgun ammunition, it is in fact not limited to handgun ammunition, and would apply to all rifle ammunition for which a handgun is ever made. As an increasing number of gun manufacturers make handgun models that shoot rifle caliber ammunition, the line between handgun vs. rifle ammunition has become blurred, and the New Jersey State Police have already begun treating rifle ammunition in this category as if it were handgun ammunition for regulatory purposes. As long as a handgun exists that shoots a particular caliber of rifle ammunition, New Jersey treats that ammunition as if it were handgun ammunition.
Source: NRA Institute For Legislative Action
As Aaron Dykes of Infowars points out, the bills themselves would not outlaw the ammunition, but they would enable the states Attorney General to instate a de facto restriction of the Second Amendment via executive fiat.
In essence, if the Attorney General determines that a particular type of ammunition poses a threat to the police or government officials, that ammunition could be completely banned under this new legislation.
The goal, of course, is to render the Second Amendment impotent the ultimate endgame of those who would brink the darkness of tyranny over our great nation.
By all accounts, as SGT Report highlights in their latest micro-documentary (available below), the government has rebelled against the people, and they are working feverishly to eliminate, one by one, each of the Constitutional protections that have ensured the peoples right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for over two centuries.
I want to make the case that there has been a rebellion.
This government has rebelled against the Constitution and against the citizens of the United States. The invasion of the public safety has been made by the representatives of the people.
the public safety could not be more at risk now, that the NDAA containing S1867, is law. The signing of NDAA was the crossing of the Rubicon. The government has now pushed farther than could have been imagined even 12 or 18 short months ago.
I have long believed that the final straw will come when this government attempts to ban guns or ammunition, or declare a confiscation of precious metals.
They will keep pushing, as all tyrants do, until the people push back. This latest transgression of our freedoms may be limited to a single state, but if approved, would open the door to similar bans across the entire country.
As Alex Jones warns in a recent update, those who would make us slaves and strip us of our natural rights are doing so at an accelerated rate.
Its really simple. Were getting down to the wire here. Tyranny is out in the open. The destruction of our basic liberties, the overthrow of our republic and basic protections, and basic checks and balances, is in overdrive right now.
Four years ago, had someone told you that the government would take over major financial institutions, manufacturers, and insurance companies, or that they would legislate universal health mandates or indefinite detention of American citizens without trial, or that they would grope your children at public venues and transportation hubs, would you have believed them?
Most Americans would have balked at the very thought of such things.
Yet here we are. And the scary thing? Theyre not finished yet. They wont be; not until the Constitution of the United States is relegated to nothing more than a historical text in some museum rather than what it was meant to be the fundamental law of the land.
Some folks simply need a baseball bat upside the head.
There is no constitutional difference between an arbitrary ban on ammunition and any other infringement on our 2nd Amendment rights.
The 2nd Amendment protects arms, not âgunsâ. Arms includes ammunition.
L Grace Spencer (S) 29 is an absolute Idiot!
I was just at a local sporting goods store this afternoon, looking at a S&W M&P 15-22, and the owners said they’re already gearing up for the next run on guns and ammo. Legislation like this won’t help — better get it while you can.
It’s becoming very stylish to be a scofflaw!!
There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.-- From Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged
I have a better idea than all of these -
let’s make crime illegal.
I don’t understand the problem with armor piercing rounds.
After all, what if I need to kill someone wearing body armor?
Another reason I am happy I left Jersey.
Apparently, the legislature feels that they must move to ban ammunition before the ammunition moves to ban them; an irrational fear, but...one they obviously entertain. Among the virtual plethora of things they fail to realize is that a move to ban ammunition — far from preempting a move of ammunition banning the legislature — may well trigger it. In this way, in their overreach, they actually make construct the one foundation upon which their formerly-irrational fear may become dreadful reality.
It’s like watching an old monster movie, and there’s that moment when the girl hears a weird noise, and the wannabe hero dude grabs a flashlight and heads off into the darkness to find out what it was.
You don’t have to be Cecil B. deMille to write the next scene; it’s comin’ atcha like an express freight train; high-ball with lights and horns blaring.
If the Jersey State legislature were all Muslims, we’d observe that they were setting themselves up to be martyred for a more insidious cause.
I say to my Jersey FReinds, “Don’t get incited to take their bait!” Keep mum, wait, and give ‘em both barrels at the ballot box. THAT’S kickin’ it old school.
From the esteemed
The assemblywoman cited the clash between busness and environmental interests as the main battle zone.
Business and economics are oftentimes not on the same page with the environment, and people on the economic side are trying to create opportunities at the expense of the environment, she said. Our charge is to explore how our economic opportunities can complement and enhance the environment.
I’m not for overdevelopment, the new chair added. In our own little way we are affecting climate change with overdevelopment and losing our open spaces. We need to be creating more green spaces.
Her webpage: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/bio.asp?leg=288
>> Source: NRA Institute For Legislative Action
That was funny. Ever see his 10 minute youtube on racism?
Sorry, “From the esteemed Lefty gun-grabber”
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility
Wow, what a bunch of psychotics...
They need some medical attention for their obsessive-compulsive disorder, it sounds like.
1 - The State would be very well armed; it's the law-abiding People who would be unarmed.
2 - The criminals don't need to be welcomed into New Jersey; they already run the place.
“when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns” Guess which side I will chose? (hint: my Tagline.)
What is the position of that great “conservative” Governor Christie on this issue?
Surely, you jest, who would be left to vote for Bolshecrats.
Christie is an NJ conservative.
which means economic not social.
Christie gave a reprieve to Brian Aitken who was in the process of moving back to NJ from out west....he had guns in his trunk and received a “welcome back” sentence of 7 years in prison.
Christie could have given him full pardon and no mark on his record, but he gave him a reprieve from prison.
so Aitken is still a convicted felon and Christie is still an antigun social leftist.
but none of this is news
"Look at all those ammo stores springing up across the state line."
If this should happen the people of NJ move to ban the new jersey legislature.
so Aitken is still a convicted felon and Christie is still an antigun social leftist.
and Christie still backs Romney like he's the Messiah (gee, wonder what that says about Romney?).
but none of this is news
There, fixed it.
They aren't even bothering with the "green" route.
That ban won't save the traitors from the rope.
Like the t-shirt says: "Our Forefathers would be shooting by now."
The Civil War happened too early; 150 years later and Washngton DC would have fallen in a week.
They used to try this in Illinois, every couple years a bill to ban cop killing ammunition, aka 1000 fp at the muzzle or greater, aka virtually all long guns.
These kinds of people must her be allowed to ever have as much power as a crossing guard, ever again.
Most people had knives and swords back then when it was written. Faster to use on multiple attackers then.
Christie is a POS for not pardoning Aitken.
That’s why God made groins and heads.
That’s not a good analogy....the right to own and drive cars is not guaranteed by the Constitution.
Better analogy is the state allowing you to buy a car, but outlawing gasoline.
To voice opposition, the NJ Assembly Committee on Law and Public Safety can be reached at 609-292-5135.
Let me know when they will make it illegal to show the Movie “A Christmas Story” in New Jersey.
You’ll put your eye out kid...