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Constitutional Work Around: New Jersey Legislators Move To Ban Ammunition
SHTF Plan ^ | 1-30-2012 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 01/30/2012 1:45:21 PM PST by blam

Constitutional Work Around: New Jersey Legislators Move To Ban Ammunition

Mac Slavo
January 30th, 2012

While the second amendment protects our right to bear arms, some anti-gun advocates think they may have found a loophole. This afternoon the New Jersey Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee is set to consider two bills (Assembly Bill 588 and Assembly Bill 1013) that would essentially ban all handgun ammunition in the state, as well as some (or potentially all) rifle ammunition.

Sponsored by Assemblyman L. Grace Spencer (D-29), A588 is cleverly disguised as police safety legislation aimed at armor piercing ammunition (which is already prohibited under federal and state law). The measure actually opens the door to a sweeping ammunition ban by an unelected public official by executive fiat.
Common hunting, target, and self-defense ammunition would be subject to ban, along with BB’s, airgun pellets, and non-metallic ammunition like plastic airsoft pellets, if the Attorney General decides that they pose a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement.

Although the bill only mentions handgun ammunition, it is in fact not limited to handgun ammunition, and would apply to all rifle ammunition for which a handgun is ever made. As an increasing number of gun manufacturers make handgun models that shoot rifle caliber ammunition, the line between “handgun” vs. “rifle” ammunition has become blurred, and the New Jersey State Police have already begun treating rifle ammunition in this category as if it were handgun ammunition for regulatory purposes. As long as a handgun exists that shoots a particular caliber of rifle ammunition, New Jersey treats that ammunition as if it were handgun ammunition.

Source: NRA Institute For Legislative Action

As Aaron Dykes of Infowars points out, the bills themselves would not outlaw the ammunition, but they “would enable the state’s Attorney General to instate a de facto restriction of the Second Amendment via executive fiat.”

In essence, if the Attorney General determines that a particular type of ammunition poses a threat to the police or government officials, that ammunition could be completely banned under this new legislation.

The goal, of course, is to render the Second Amendment impotent – the ultimate endgame of those who would brink the darkness of tyranny over our great nation.

By all accounts, as SGT Report highlights in their latest micro-documentary (available below), the government has rebelled against the people, and they are working feverishly to eliminate, one by one, each of the Constitutional protections that have ensured the peoples’ right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for over two centuries.

I want to make the case that there has been a rebellion.

This government has rebelled against the Constitution and against the citizens of the United States. The invasion of the public safety has been made by the representatives of the people.

the public safety could not be more at risk now, that the NDAA containing S1867, is law. The signing of NDAA was the crossing of the Rubicon. The government has now pushed farther than could have been imagined even 12 or 18 short months ago.

I have long believed that the final straw will come when this government attempts to ban guns or ammunition, or declare a confiscation of precious metals.

They will keep pushing, as all tyrants do, until the people push back. This latest transgression of our freedoms may be limited to a single state, but if approved, would open the door to similar bans across the entire country.

As Alex Jones warns in a recent update, those who would make us slaves and strip us of our natural rights are doing so at an accelerated rate.

It’s really simple. We’re getting down to the wire here. Tyranny is out in the open. The destruction of our basic liberties, the overthrow of our republic and basic protections, and basic checks and balances, is in overdrive right now.

Four years ago, had someone told you that the government would take over major financial institutions, manufacturers, and insurance companies, or that they would legislate universal health mandates or indefinite detention of American citizens without trial, or that they would grope your children at public venues and transportation hubs, would you have believed them?

Most Americans would have balked at the very thought of such things.

Yet here we are. And the scary thing? They’re not finished yet. They won’t be; not until the Constitution of the United States is relegated to nothing more than a historical text in some museum rather than what it was meant to be – the fundamental law of the land.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; bloodoftyrants; constitution; corruption; cwii; democrats; donttreadonme; govtabuse; guns; liberalfascism; liberals; lping; newjersey; progressives; tyranny; waronliberty; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: blam

They used to try this in Illinois, every couple years a bill to ban cop killing ammunition, aka 1000 fp at the muzzle or greater, aka virtually all long guns.


41 posted on 01/30/2012 5:30:05 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: G Larry

These kinds of people must her be allowed to ever have as much power as a crossing guard, ever again.


42 posted on 01/30/2012 5:57:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: mongo141


Shocker!/s
43 posted on 01/30/2012 5:58:12 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Durus

Most people had knives and swords back then when it was written. Faster to use on multiple attackers then.


44 posted on 01/30/2012 5:58:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Christie is a POS for not pardoning Aitken.


45 posted on 01/30/2012 6:00:37 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Never on my watch

That’s why God made groins and heads.


46 posted on 01/30/2012 6:00:37 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

That’s not a good analogy....the right to own and drive cars is not guaranteed by the Constitution.


47 posted on 01/30/2012 6:01:38 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Better analogy is the state allowing you to buy a car, but outlawing gasoline.


48 posted on 01/30/2012 6:03:21 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: blam

To voice opposition, the NJ Assembly Committee on Law and Public Safety can be reached at 609-292-5135.


49 posted on 01/30/2012 6:13:50 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: blam

Let me know when they will make it illegal to show the Movie “A Christmas Story” in New Jersey.

You’ll put your eye out kid...


50 posted on 01/30/2012 6:24:59 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Sudetenland

We need to put signs on our state borders: “This is Texas, libtards need not apply (we’ve already got enough of them).”

or a sign saying no more libtards, we don’t have enough rope to hang them all.


51 posted on 01/30/2012 6:27:54 PM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: Sudetenland
As an uber-conservative escapee from the Rotten Apple that gave birth to 3 Christian Conservative Texans, I understand your desire to keep the Yankees out. I don't want them either.

Who would I welcome with open arms? The folks like myself that looked around and said, "There has GOT to be something better than this hell hole. We're been outnumbered here for years and are constantly shouted down. Greener pastures, here we come!"

We specifically CHOSE Texas BECAUSE it was a Conservative State. I openly admit we retreated; but then we turned around, retrenched, and reloaded!

52 posted on 01/30/2012 8:16:09 PM PST by TheWriterTX (All in now for Newt Gingrich)
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To: jakota
It’s becoming very stylish to be a scofflaw!!

Come to think of it, I think Ayn Rand said, "the more laws you make, the more criminals you make."
53 posted on 01/30/2012 10:12:31 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Holodeck Computer: End Obama Administration simulation program, NOW!!!!)
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To: blam
The measure actually opens the door to a sweeping ammunition ban by an unelected public official by executive fiat.

The world would be a better place if they were run over by a Fiat, preferably a 1982 Strada. B-) B-P

Don't forget, NJ gave us Frank Lautenberg, he's so old, he farts dust. B-P
54 posted on 01/30/2012 10:20:49 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Holodeck Computer: End Obama Administration simulation program, NOW!!!!)
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To: kearnyirish2
The Civil War happened too early; 150 years later and Washngton DC would have fallen in a week.

Surround the place, cut off all electricity and they will cry "Uncle" in a week.
55 posted on 01/30/2012 10:24:08 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Holodeck Computer: End Obama Administration simulation program, NOW!!!!)
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This is so asinine but I am of the belief that if this law would pass, then it should apply equally to the police and military, if we cannot have ammo, neither should the police, the NJ National Guard (including the Air National Guard) or active military in that state and any Federal agencies come into the State must turn their ammo in, including the Secret Service. If we have to follow the law, then they should too, top to bottom, everyone is equal.

I know this sounds absurd but if the people cannot have the tools for defense, then no one should. I know I'm using the Rush Limbaugh tactic of illustrating absurdity with more absurdity.

Even so, when the sword was banned in Japan, except for the Samurai, the people themselves improvised weapons from common farm and fishing tools like modifying flails and making nanchaku (numchucks) for example as well as coming up with karate. You can kill with bare hands, shall we ban hands too? Oops, better not give them ideas.

This chick making this law, she is so stupid, too stupid to live. If she got any dumber, she'd be in a coma. I know I leave these things to God to decide for Himself, but I feel I'm entitled to my opinion here, there are days I think when I see crap like this, time to thin out the herd.

If my maternal grandfather was her now, he was born in 1901, he always said, "some people just need a swift kick in the a--, er butt."
56 posted on 01/30/2012 10:40:47 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Holodeck Computer: End Obama Administration simulation program, NOW!!!!)
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To: Nowhere Man

“Surround the place, cut off all electricity and they will cry “Uncle” in a week.”

The disarmed subjects certainly can’t fight their way out.


57 posted on 01/31/2012 3:53:51 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

The civil war was fought for the wrong reasons. We need another revolutionary war, not a civil war.


58 posted on 01/31/2012 5:22:40 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: blam

Ammunition is arms and is protected.

Gun protesters are not people, not subject to the law and thus can be exterminated.


59 posted on 01/31/2012 5:30:58 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: blam
New Jersey Legislators Move To Ban Ammunition

If Washington could have known it would come to this...

"That's New Jersey over there? Turn the boat around and leave it to the Hessians..."

60 posted on 01/31/2012 5:41:16 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican Party: 'Destroying conservatism, or any facsimile thereof, since Nelson Rockefeller.')
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