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Herman Cain: pizza boss, radio host, ballistics expert, minister. President?
guardian.co.uk ^ | 8 October 2011 | Staff

Posted on 10/09/2011 5:21:04 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

He is the latest Tea Party favourite to burst through in the increasingly heated race for the Republican presidential nomination and see their poll numbers rocket them to frontrunner status.

However, unlike previous rightwing darlings such as Texas governor Rick Perry and Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann, wealthy businessman Herman Cain, 65, can claim to be cut from a very different sort of cloth from the average Republican candidate.

First, he is not actually a politician. Cain, whose CV includes being a radio show host, a navy ballistics expert, a Baptist minister and a Federal Reserve official, has never held elected office in his life. His most famous job was as chief executive of the fast-food firm Godfather's Pizza.

Yet none of that seemed to matter to the cheering crowds at the Values Voter Summit in a Washington DC hotel late last week. There was much to celebrate. A Zogby opinion poll had just boosted Cain into first place in the race, with 38% of the vote, compared with 18% for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Perry trailed in third place with 12%. The study even showed Cain beating President Barack Obama in a match-up by 46% to 44%.

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To: ozarkgirl
No, not ‘economic zones’, he is calling for EMPOWERMENT zones. Ghetto tax deductions that no one but ghetto dwellers will get.

I don't live in a ghetto and don't know of a single conservative that does. So who the hell is he pandering to here?

“Individual Flat Tax – 9%.
Gross income less charitable deductions.
Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for those living and/or working in the zone.”

201 posted on 10/09/2011 9:20:39 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: SeekAndFind
Cain is great on everything.

Is Cain also "great" on Romney?

This Romney?

VIDEO clips of Romney/Kennedy Debates: Liberals For Romney - More Liberal than Ted Kennedy

The same Romney that Cain supported in 2008?

HERMAN CAIN'S ENDORSEMENT OF MITT ROMNEY PUBLISHED IN THE ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION PRIOR TO SUPER TUESDAY, 2008

But, Cain's support of Romney in 2008 was ancient history.

How does Cain stand, today, in 2011?

Cain is on constant attack against Perry but treats Romney with kid gloves. Cain will not even support Perry, in the GENERAL ELECTION if Perry were the GOP nominee ....... EVEN AGAINST BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

But, guess what?

Cain WILL support his old buddy, Mitt Romney.

Herman Cain said Wednesday that he would be unable to support Rick Perry for president if the Texas governor were to eventually win the party's nomination. .... The former businessman said, for instance, that he could support former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney....

"But, that's alright. The Great Cain is fighting hard to defeat Romney!"

Not really.

Cain was not taking winning the Iowa Caucuses very seriously.

Herman Cain's top Iowa staff resigns ..... Goff stated that she resigned because the Cain campaign refused to make a serious effort in Iowa, the home of the First-in-the-Nation caucuses.

Cain is not taking the campaign very seriously right now as he hawks his book instead.

Cain Campaign: Selling a Candidate or Selling Books? ..... But even as he enjoys the fickle embrace of the party’s social conservatives, doubts are being raised about the straight-talking businessman’s legitimacy, and even his motives. Instead of capitalizing on his newfound momentum by hitting the campaign trail hard, Cain this week opted to spend most of his time promoting his book, This is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House, which just arrived in retail stores this week. Rather than visit diners in early voting states like Iowa and New Hampshire, he’s signing books at Barnes & Noble outlets in Texas and Washington D.C., although his tour does also include several stops in South Carolina and Florida, two key primary states. .... Steve Deace, an Iowa-based talk show host, posed the question on the minds of many people aligned with the Republican Party: “Is that guy running for president or just lining up a book tour?” .... But, as Block also said, the campaign has just 30 staff members spread across five states, fewer perhaps than one of Cain’s former pizzerias. The candidate this week was scheduled for six book signings and just three traditional campaign events. .... An e-mail that went out to Cain supporters the day before his upset victory in the Florida straw poll wasn’t about one of Cain’s policy positions but instead offered them a chance to buy a collector’s edition box set of the book, complete with a red case and gold trim. “Consider giving a loved one a copy of This is Herman Cain,” it said. “You wouldn’t be giving them just a book. You’d give them a gift to open again and again.” ..... One GOP strategist said he didn’t think Cain’s book tour was bad strategy – business strategy, at least. Cain knows he isn’t going to win the nomination, despite his recent rise in the polls, said Rich Galen, a Republican consultant and former aide to House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is also vying for the nomination. “It’s very smart to leverage his political surge to sell more books,” Galen said. “He’s a smart businessman.”

Cain has left his old pal, Romney, to lock up key donors while he locks up his book sales at Barnes & Nobles.

Romney Rounds Up Backing Among Key G.O.P. Donors

Cain is a "great" Stalking Horse for Mitt Romney.

202 posted on 10/09/2011 9:26:16 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One.)
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To: tirednvirginia; mkjessup
If nothng else works, you play the race card, huh?

Guess I missed that first time through. MK, we don't have to play the race card on this guy. His record speaks for himself.

FYI, my skin color is white (actually a bit off white, cream color?)

203 posted on 10/09/2011 9:28:28 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: tirednvirginia; mkjessup
If nothng else works, you play the race card, huh?

Guess I missed that first time through. MK, we don't have to play the race card on this guy. His record speaks for himself.

FYI, my skin color is white (actually a bit off white, cream color?)

204 posted on 10/09/2011 9:28:28 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: tirednvirginia; mkjessup
If nothng else works, you play the race card, huh?

Guess I missed that first time through. MK, we don't have to play the race card on this guy. His record speaks for himself.

FYI, my skin color is white (actually a bit off white, cream color?)

205 posted on 10/09/2011 9:28:28 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: tirednvirginia; mkjessup
If nothng else works, you play the race card, huh?

Guess I missed that first time through. MK, we don't have to play the race card on this guy. His record speaks for himself.

FYI, my skin color is white (actually a bit off white, cream color?)

206 posted on 10/09/2011 9:28:45 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: SeekAndFind
Cain is great on everything.

Yep. Cain is "great" on everything.

Take, for example, the issue of killing al-Qaeda terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki. No matter what your position is on the matter, Cain agrees with you.

======================

Cain, May 5, 2011, Regarding the killing of al-Qaeda terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki

"He should be charged. And since he's an American citizen, he should be tried in our courts," Cain said of al-Awlaki. When asked if he considered it legal for President Obama to order al-Awlaki killed, Cain said, "In his case, no, because he's an American citizen. If he's an American citizen, which is the big difference, then he should be charged, and he should be arrested and brought to justice."

======================

Cain, October, 2011, Regarding the killing of al-Qaeda terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki

"Asked why he had backed off his opposition to the U.S. military's targeting Anwar Awlaki, the al Qaeda terrorist and American citizen who was killed Friday by a drone strike in Yemen, Cain denied that he had ever opposed taking out Awlaki. “I never said that [President Obama] should not have ordered [the killing]. I don’t recall saying that. I think you’ve got some misinformation," Cain said. "Keep in mind that there are a lot of people out there trying to make me sound as if I am indecisive."

207 posted on 10/09/2011 9:32:04 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One.)
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To: TomGuy

I would guess that a ceo running a corporation has to make decisions, not just sit back and coast along in congress by voting “present” because your afraid your vote will show what you what you stand for.


208 posted on 10/09/2011 9:36:24 AM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: Beagle8U
So who the hell is he pandering to here?

The black vote? Not saying it's right...just saying.

209 posted on 10/09/2011 9:37:23 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl
I guess that helps explain his ‘Sharpton’ like race card smear on Perry over something he didn't have a clue about.

It's all starting to come into focus now.

210 posted on 10/09/2011 9:42:27 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: jla
Rudy Giuliani and Rick Perry are way more then one time buddies. So please explain to me why I should be worried about Cain's monetary support in 2008 for Romney and not be concerned about Perry's close relationship with uber GOP Liberal Rudy Giuliani?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/274042/perry-and-giuliani-katrina-trinko

Rick Perry is a Texan who boasts about how he shot a coyote during a morning jog. Rudy Giuliani is a New Yorker who has appeared before crowds in full drag as “Rudia.”

When it comes to political “romances,” Perry and Giuliani rank high on the list of odd couples. Perry’s endorsement of Giuliani’s 2008 presidential run came as shock to many in the GOP, who wondered why such a robust social conservative was the first (and ultimately, only) Republican governor to endorse a candidate who is openly pro-abortion and favors gay rights. But that endorsement was no one-time incident, nor a flash in the pan. For over a decade, Perry and Giuliani have supported one another through a series of races, with endorsements, public statements, and fundraising assistance. Different they may be, but they are nothing if not committed

s far back as 1999, Perry served as the honorary Texas chairman of Giuliani’s New York senatorial campaign. (The Texans for Giuliani invitation to a $1,000 per plate luncheon that Perry hosted employed this message: “We Texans need to ask ourselves how helpful do we think Hillary Rodham Clinton would be to the Republican presidential hopeful George W. Bush if he were to become president?”) In both 2002 and 2006, Giuliani returned the favor, endorsing Perry’s gubernatorial runs. In the 2006 race — a difficult one for Perry, who would ultimately eke out a win with 39 percent of the vote, just enough to catapult him over the other candidates in the four-person race — Giuliani’s endorsement was well-utilized and undoubtedly useful. In addition to a radio spot featuring America’s mayor, the Perry campaign sent out a fundraising letter touting Giuliani’s endorsement of Perry as a “strong and determined leader.”

In 2005, Giuliani joined Texas law firm Bracewell & Patterson (re-named Bracewell & Giuliani), strengthening his ties to the Lone Star State — and to affluent Texas Republicans ripe for fundraising appeals. Two years later, he sought out Perry’s endorsement for his 2008 presidential run. He got it.

A Perry aide paraphrased how Perry explained his support for Giuliani this way: “We don’t agree on social issues, but Mayor Giuliani provided leadership during a time of crisis for the country.” To Perry, Giuliani was a figure who had stellar national-security credentials, a key issue for him.

After citing the importance of the War on Terror, Perry publicly explained his Giuliani endorsement by pointing to the former mayor of New York’s track record: “What I look for is results, and Rudy Giuliani is the individual who will give us the results that will make America safer, that will move our economy forward, that will put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court, that covers a host of issues that are important to me and I think a lot of my colleagues and Americans as well,” he enthusiastically told Fox News host Brian Kilmeade in fall, 2007.

In that interview, Perry brushed off the ideological differences between the two men. He noted that he and Giuliani had discussed some of the issues that divided them, and spent an “inordinate amount of time together over the course of the last six weeks talking about issues both on the phone and face to face.” Those discussion satisfied Perry. According to the Dallas Morning News, Perry told reporters that Giuliani had “assured [Perry] that in nominating Supreme Court justices and on other important issues, a Giuliani administration would serve the conservative cause.”

Perry’s pre-emptive attempt to acknowledge that — and explain why — he had endorsed a candidate whose views on social issues differed so markedly from his own did not soften the surprise. In the aftermath of the announcement, much of the media coverage centered on speculation that Perry was aiming at the second slot on the ticket. Perry shot that down forcefully, saying bluntly he wouldn’t consider the vice presidency, but rumors abounded nonetheless. The Dallas Morning News reported that the Perry political camp saw little choice other than Giuliani since “Mr. Thompson’s campaign has sputtered and Sen. John McCain of Arizona is a long-shot.” (The relationship between Romney and Perry, if not outright hostile, had been at least complicated since an incident at the 2002 Olympics where the Boy Scouts were not allowed to participate, something for which Perry criticized Romney.) But the disbelief persisted: In comparison to Perry, “Giuliani comes across like Michael Moore,” wrote Austin American-Statesman columnist John Kelso, comparing the duo to “Dick Cheney touring with the Dixie Chicks.”

Despite the controversy, Perry did not downplay his endorsement but instead became a more vocal supporter of Giuliani. He campaigned for him in South Carolina, and that fall went on a four-day sweep through Iowa. Talking to voters at a roundtable in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Perry made his pitch for Giuliani by striking a pragmatic tone: “ You can have your purist candidate,” he argued. But “if they can’t win, you just wasted your time.” The voters were not convinced. A Dallas Morning News headline summed up Perry’s success in Iowa: “Perry Wins over Voters — But Not for Giuliani. Iowans Like Messenger More than His Message.”

In December, Perry added to the tension with a slip of the tongue. Defending Giuliani’s pro-abortion stance by citing his promise to support strict constructionist judges, the Houston Chronicle reported Perry saying, “Then the issue becomes very, very clear to me from the standpoint of who I want to support, and it is Mike Huckabee.” When questioned about what he had just said, Perry immediately called the Huckabee mention an “error.” But it lead to another round of publicity: The Austin American-Statesman headline said Perry had “defended” his Huckabee mention as “un-Freudian,” planting an idea in voters’ minds unlikely to cheer the Giuliani campaign.

As Giuliani’s campaign fell into disarray, Perry kept fighting, doing a five-stop sweep in January through Florida introducing Giuliani at rallies. But it wasn’t enough, and, when the Guiliani campaign impoloded at the height of the 2008 primary season, Perry found himself without a candidate. In February, he endorsed McCain, employing unsentimental language: “He and I may not agree on every issue,” Perry said when announcing the new endorsement, according to the Dallas Morning News.

Guiliani’s presidential ambitions may have evaporated in the Florida sunshine, but his friendship with Rick Perry continues to this day. In the 2010 gubernatorial primary, Giuliani backed Perry over the more socially moderate Kay Bailey Hutchinson, even going so far as to go to Texas to campaign for his friend. And the two don’t limit their conversation exclusively to politics: Perry told a Dallas audience last year that Giuliani had offered to bet him a pair of Texas cowboy boots that the New York Yankees would beat the Texas Rangers in the upcoming round of playoffs leading up to the World Series. (Perry must have received his boots: The Rangers won the series, 4–2.)

Now, with the 2012 primary drawing near, and both men considered possible candidates, their comity remains. “Rick has got a great record, probably one of the strongest records of any governor in America, and one of the longest running governorships. Rick is a good friend,” Giuliani told CNN this July. Dave Carney, a top political adviser to Perry, told the Washington Post that same month that “Rudy would be an awesome asset to any campaign. Of course candidates matter to voters, but folks of the mayor’s stature bring lot of value added to any effort.”

And so the bromance continues.

211 posted on 10/09/2011 9:49:32 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Beagle8U
Rudy Giuliani and Rick Perry are way more then one time buddies. So please explain to me why I should be worried about Cain's monetary support in 2008 for Romney and not be concerned about Perry's close relationship with uber GOP Liberal Rudy Giuliani?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/274042/perry-and-giuliani-katrina-trinko

Rick Perry is a Texan who boasts about how he shot a coyote during a morning jog. Rudy Giuliani is a New Yorker who has appeared before crowds in full drag as “Rudia.”

When it comes to political “romances,” Perry and Giuliani rank high on the list of odd couples. Perry’s endorsement of Giuliani’s 2008 presidential run came as shock to many in the GOP, who wondered why such a robust social conservative was the first (and ultimately, only) Republican governor to endorse a candidate who is openly pro-abortion and favors gay rights. But that endorsement was no one-time incident, nor a flash in the pan. For over a decade, Perry and Giuliani have supported one another through a series of races, with endorsements, public statements, and fundraising assistance. Different they may be, but they are nothing if not committed

s far back as 1999, Perry served as the honorary Texas chairman of Giuliani’s New York senatorial campaign. (The Texans for Giuliani invitation to a $1,000 per plate luncheon that Perry hosted employed this message: “We Texans need to ask ourselves how helpful do we think Hillary Rodham Clinton would be to the Republican presidential hopeful George W. Bush if he were to become president?”) In both 2002 and 2006, Giuliani returned the favor, endorsing Perry’s gubernatorial runs. In the 2006 race — a difficult one for Perry, who would ultimately eke out a win with 39 percent of the vote, just enough to catapult him over the other candidates in the four-person race — Giuliani’s endorsement was well-utilized and undoubtedly useful. In addition to a radio spot featuring America’s mayor, the Perry campaign sent out a fundraising letter touting Giuliani’s endorsement of Perry as a “strong and determined leader.”

In 2005, Giuliani joined Texas law firm Bracewell & Patterson (re-named Bracewell & Giuliani), strengthening his ties to the Lone Star State — and to affluent Texas Republicans ripe for fundraising appeals. Two years later, he sought out Perry’s endorsement for his 2008 presidential run. He got it.

A Perry aide paraphrased how Perry explained his support for Giuliani this way: “We don’t agree on social issues, but Mayor Giuliani provided leadership during a time of crisis for the country.” To Perry, Giuliani was a figure who had stellar national-security credentials, a key issue for him.

After citing the importance of the War on Terror, Perry publicly explained his Giuliani endorsement by pointing to the former mayor of New York’s track record: “What I look for is results, and Rudy Giuliani is the individual who will give us the results that will make America safer, that will move our economy forward, that will put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court, that covers a host of issues that are important to me and I think a lot of my colleagues and Americans as well,” he enthusiastically told Fox News host Brian Kilmeade in fall, 2007.

In that interview, Perry brushed off the ideological differences between the two men. He noted that he and Giuliani had discussed some of the issues that divided them, and spent an “inordinate amount of time together over the course of the last six weeks talking about issues both on the phone and face to face.” Those discussion satisfied Perry. According to the Dallas Morning News, Perry told reporters that Giuliani had “assured [Perry] that in nominating Supreme Court justices and on other important issues, a Giuliani administration would serve the conservative cause.”

Perry’s pre-emptive attempt to acknowledge that — and explain why — he had endorsed a candidate whose views on social issues differed so markedly from his own did not soften the surprise. In the aftermath of the announcement, much of the media coverage centered on speculation that Perry was aiming at the second slot on the ticket. Perry shot that down forcefully, saying bluntly he wouldn’t consider the vice presidency, but rumors abounded nonetheless. The Dallas Morning News reported that the Perry political camp saw little choice other than Giuliani since “Mr. Thompson’s campaign has sputtered and Sen. John McCain of Arizona is a long-shot.” (The relationship between Romney and Perry, if not outright hostile, had been at least complicated since an incident at the 2002 Olympics where the Boy Scouts were not allowed to participate, something for which Perry criticized Romney.) But the disbelief persisted: In comparison to Perry, “Giuliani comes across like Michael Moore,” wrote Austin American-Statesman columnist John Kelso, comparing the duo to “Dick Cheney touring with the Dixie Chicks.”

Despite the controversy, Perry did not downplay his endorsement but instead became a more vocal supporter of Giuliani. He campaigned for him in South Carolina, and that fall went on a four-day sweep through Iowa. Talking to voters at a roundtable in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Perry made his pitch for Giuliani by striking a pragmatic tone: “ You can have your purist candidate,” he argued. But “if they can’t win, you just wasted your time.” The voters were not convinced. A Dallas Morning News headline summed up Perry’s success in Iowa: “Perry Wins over Voters — But Not for Giuliani. Iowans Like Messenger More than His Message.”

In December, Perry added to the tension with a slip of the tongue. Defending Giuliani’s pro-abortion stance by citing his promise to support strict constructionist judges, the Houston Chronicle reported Perry saying, “Then the issue becomes very, very clear to me from the standpoint of who I want to support, and it is Mike Huckabee.” When questioned about what he had just said, Perry immediately called the Huckabee mention an “error.” But it lead to another round of publicity: The Austin American-Statesman headline said Perry had “defended” his Huckabee mention as “un-Freudian,” planting an idea in voters’ minds unlikely to cheer the Giuliani campaign.

As Giuliani’s campaign fell into disarray, Perry kept fighting, doing a five-stop sweep in January through Florida introducing Giuliani at rallies. But it wasn’t enough, and, when the Guiliani campaign impoloded at the height of the 2008 primary season, Perry found himself without a candidate. In February, he endorsed McCain, employing unsentimental language: “He and I may not agree on every issue,” Perry said when announcing the new endorsement, according to the Dallas Morning News.

Guiliani’s presidential ambitions may have evaporated in the Florida sunshine, but his friendship with Rick Perry continues to this day. In the 2010 gubernatorial primary, Giuliani backed Perry over the more socially moderate Kay Bailey Hutchinson, even going so far as to go to Texas to campaign for his friend. And the two don’t limit their conversation exclusively to politics: Perry told a Dallas audience last year that Giuliani had offered to bet him a pair of Texas cowboy boots that the New York Yankees would beat the Texas Rangers in the upcoming round of playoffs leading up to the World Series. (Perry must have received his boots: The Rangers won the series, 4–2.)

Now, with the 2012 primary drawing near, and both men considered possible candidates, their comity remains. “Rick has got a great record, probably one of the strongest records of any governor in America, and one of the longest running governorships. Rick is a good friend,” Giuliani told CNN this July. Dave Carney, a top political adviser to Perry, told the Washington Post that same month that “Rudy would be an awesome asset to any campaign. Of course candidates matter to voters, but folks of the mayor’s stature bring lot of value added to any effort.”

And so the bromance continues.

212 posted on 10/09/2011 9:49:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Polybius
Rudy Giuliani and Rick Perry are way more then one time buddies. So please explain to me why I should be worried about Cain's monetary support in 2008 for Romney and not be concerned about Perry's close relationship with uber GOP Liberal Rudy Giuliani?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/274042/perry-and-giuliani-katrina-trinko

Rick Perry is a Texan who boasts about how he shot a coyote during a morning jog. Rudy Giuliani is a New Yorker who has appeared before crowds in full drag as “Rudia.”

When it comes to political “romances,” Perry and Giuliani rank high on the list of odd couples. Perry’s endorsement of Giuliani’s 2008 presidential run came as shock to many in the GOP, who wondered why such a robust social conservative was the first (and ultimately, only) Republican governor to endorse a candidate who is openly pro-abortion and favors gay rights. But that endorsement was no one-time incident, nor a flash in the pan. For over a decade, Perry and Giuliani have supported one another through a series of races, with endorsements, public statements, and fundraising assistance. Different they may be, but they are nothing if not committed

s far back as 1999, Perry served as the honorary Texas chairman of Giuliani’s New York senatorial campaign. (The Texans for Giuliani invitation to a $1,000 per plate luncheon that Perry hosted employed this message: “We Texans need to ask ourselves how helpful do we think Hillary Rodham Clinton would be to the Republican presidential hopeful George W. Bush if he were to become president?”) In both 2002 and 2006, Giuliani returned the favor, endorsing Perry’s gubernatorial runs. In the 2006 race — a difficult one for Perry, who would ultimately eke out a win with 39 percent of the vote, just enough to catapult him over the other candidates in the four-person race — Giuliani’s endorsement was well-utilized and undoubtedly useful. In addition to a radio spot featuring America’s mayor, the Perry campaign sent out a fundraising letter touting Giuliani’s endorsement of Perry as a “strong and determined leader.”

In 2005, Giuliani joined Texas law firm Bracewell & Patterson (re-named Bracewell & Giuliani), strengthening his ties to the Lone Star State — and to affluent Texas Republicans ripe for fundraising appeals. Two years later, he sought out Perry’s endorsement for his 2008 presidential run. He got it.

A Perry aide paraphrased how Perry explained his support for Giuliani this way: “We don’t agree on social issues, but Mayor Giuliani provided leadership during a time of crisis for the country.” To Perry, Giuliani was a figure who had stellar national-security credentials, a key issue for him.

After citing the importance of the War on Terror, Perry publicly explained his Giuliani endorsement by pointing to the former mayor of New York’s track record: “What I look for is results, and Rudy Giuliani is the individual who will give us the results that will make America safer, that will move our economy forward, that will put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court, that covers a host of issues that are important to me and I think a lot of my colleagues and Americans as well,” he enthusiastically told Fox News host Brian Kilmeade in fall, 2007.

In that interview, Perry brushed off the ideological differences between the two men. He noted that he and Giuliani had discussed some of the issues that divided them, and spent an “inordinate amount of time together over the course of the last six weeks talking about issues both on the phone and face to face.” Those discussion satisfied Perry. According to the Dallas Morning News, Perry told reporters that Giuliani had “assured [Perry] that in nominating Supreme Court justices and on other important issues, a Giuliani administration would serve the conservative cause.”

Perry’s pre-emptive attempt to acknowledge that — and explain why — he had endorsed a candidate whose views on social issues differed so markedly from his own did not soften the surprise. In the aftermath of the announcement, much of the media coverage centered on speculation that Perry was aiming at the second slot on the ticket. Perry shot that down forcefully, saying bluntly he wouldn’t consider the vice presidency, but rumors abounded nonetheless. The Dallas Morning News reported that the Perry political camp saw little choice other than Giuliani since “Mr. Thompson’s campaign has sputtered and Sen. John McCain of Arizona is a long-shot.” (The relationship between Romney and Perry, if not outright hostile, had been at least complicated since an incident at the 2002 Olympics where the Boy Scouts were not allowed to participate, something for which Perry criticized Romney.) But the disbelief persisted: In comparison to Perry, “Giuliani comes across like Michael Moore,” wrote Austin American-Statesman columnist John Kelso, comparing the duo to “Dick Cheney touring with the Dixie Chicks.”

Despite the controversy, Perry did not downplay his endorsement but instead became a more vocal supporter of Giuliani. He campaigned for him in South Carolina, and that fall went on a four-day sweep through Iowa. Talking to voters at a roundtable in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Perry made his pitch for Giuliani by striking a pragmatic tone: “ You can have your purist candidate,” he argued. But “if they can’t win, you just wasted your time.” The voters were not convinced. A Dallas Morning News headline summed up Perry’s success in Iowa: “Perry Wins over Voters — But Not for Giuliani. Iowans Like Messenger More than His Message.”

In December, Perry added to the tension with a slip of the tongue. Defending Giuliani’s pro-abortion stance by citing his promise to support strict constructionist judges, the Houston Chronicle reported Perry saying, “Then the issue becomes very, very clear to me from the standpoint of who I want to support, and it is Mike Huckabee.” When questioned about what he had just said, Perry immediately called the Huckabee mention an “error.” But it lead to another round of publicity: The Austin American-Statesman headline said Perry had “defended” his Huckabee mention as “un-Freudian,” planting an idea in voters’ minds unlikely to cheer the Giuliani campaign.

As Giuliani’s campaign fell into disarray, Perry kept fighting, doing a five-stop sweep in January through Florida introducing Giuliani at rallies. But it wasn’t enough, and, when the Guiliani campaign impoloded at the height of the 2008 primary season, Perry found himself without a candidate. In February, he endorsed McCain, employing unsentimental language: “He and I may not agree on every issue,” Perry said when announcing the new endorsement, according to the Dallas Morning News.

Guiliani’s presidential ambitions may have evaporated in the Florida sunshine, but his friendship with Rick Perry continues to this day. In the 2010 gubernatorial primary, Giuliani backed Perry over the more socially moderate Kay Bailey Hutchinson, even going so far as to go to Texas to campaign for his friend. And the two don’t limit their conversation exclusively to politics: Perry told a Dallas audience last year that Giuliani had offered to bet him a pair of Texas cowboy boots that the New York Yankees would beat the Texas Rangers in the upcoming round of playoffs leading up to the World Series. (Perry must have received his boots: The Rangers won the series, 4–2.)

Now, with the 2012 primary drawing near, and both men considered possible candidates, their comity remains. “Rick has got a great record, probably one of the strongest records of any governor in America, and one of the longest running governorships. Rick is a good friend,” Giuliani told CNN this July. Dave Carney, a top political adviser to Perry, told the Washington Post that same month that “Rudy would be an awesome asset to any campaign. Of course candidates matter to voters, but folks of the mayor’s stature bring lot of value added to any effort.”

And so the bromance continues.

213 posted on 10/09/2011 9:50:26 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Polybius
Rudy Giuliani and Rick Perry are way more then one time buddies. So please explain to me why I should be worried about Cain's monetary support in 2008 for Romney and not be concerned about Perry's close relationship with uber GOP Liberal Rudy Giuliani?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/274042/perry-and-giuliani-katrina-trinko

Rick Perry is a Texan who boasts about how he shot a coyote during a morning jog. Rudy Giuliani is a New Yorker who has appeared before crowds in full drag as “Rudia.”

When it comes to political “romances,” Perry and Giuliani rank high on the list of odd couples. Perry’s endorsement of Giuliani’s 2008 presidential run came as shock to many in the GOP, who wondered why such a robust social conservative was the first (and ultimately, only) Republican governor to endorse a candidate who is openly pro-abortion and favors gay rights. But that endorsement was no one-time incident, nor a flash in the pan. For over a decade, Perry and Giuliani have supported one another through a series of races, with endorsements, public statements, and fundraising assistance. Different they may be, but they are nothing if not committed

s far back as 1999, Perry served as the honorary Texas chairman of Giuliani’s New York senatorial campaign. (The Texans for Giuliani invitation to a $1,000 per plate luncheon that Perry hosted employed this message: “We Texans need to ask ourselves how helpful do we think Hillary Rodham Clinton would be to the Republican presidential hopeful George W. Bush if he were to become president?”) In both 2002 and 2006, Giuliani returned the favor, endorsing Perry’s gubernatorial runs. In the 2006 race — a difficult one for Perry, who would ultimately eke out a win with 39 percent of the vote, just enough to catapult him over the other candidates in the four-person race — Giuliani’s endorsement was well-utilized and undoubtedly useful. In addition to a radio spot featuring America’s mayor, the Perry campaign sent out a fundraising letter touting Giuliani’s endorsement of Perry as a “strong and determined leader.”

In 2005, Giuliani joined Texas law firm Bracewell & Patterson (re-named Bracewell & Giuliani), strengthening his ties to the Lone Star State — and to affluent Texas Republicans ripe for fundraising appeals. Two years later, he sought out Perry’s endorsement for his 2008 presidential run. He got it.

A Perry aide paraphrased how Perry explained his support for Giuliani this way: “We don’t agree on social issues, but Mayor Giuliani provided leadership during a time of crisis for the country.” To Perry, Giuliani was a figure who had stellar national-security credentials, a key issue for him.

After citing the importance of the War on Terror, Perry publicly explained his Giuliani endorsement by pointing to the former mayor of New York’s track record: “What I look for is results, and Rudy Giuliani is the individual who will give us the results that will make America safer, that will move our economy forward, that will put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court, that covers a host of issues that are important to me and I think a lot of my colleagues and Americans as well,” he enthusiastically told Fox News host Brian Kilmeade in fall, 2007.

In that interview, Perry brushed off the ideological differences between the two men. He noted that he and Giuliani had discussed some of the issues that divided them, and spent an “inordinate amount of time together over the course of the last six weeks talking about issues both on the phone and face to face.” Those discussion satisfied Perry. According to the Dallas Morning News, Perry told reporters that Giuliani had “assured [Perry] that in nominating Supreme Court justices and on other important issues, a Giuliani administration would serve the conservative cause.”

Perry’s pre-emptive attempt to acknowledge that — and explain why — he had endorsed a candidate whose views on social issues differed so markedly from his own did not soften the surprise. In the aftermath of the announcement, much of the media coverage centered on speculation that Perry was aiming at the second slot on the ticket. Perry shot that down forcefully, saying bluntly he wouldn’t consider the vice presidency, but rumors abounded nonetheless. The Dallas Morning News reported that the Perry political camp saw little choice other than Giuliani since “Mr. Thompson’s campaign has sputtered and Sen. John McCain of Arizona is a long-shot.” (The relationship between Romney and Perry, if not outright hostile, had been at least complicated since an incident at the 2002 Olympics where the Boy Scouts were not allowed to participate, something for which Perry criticized Romney.) But the disbelief persisted: In comparison to Perry, “Giuliani comes across like Michael Moore,” wrote Austin American-Statesman columnist John Kelso, comparing the duo to “Dick Cheney touring with the Dixie Chicks.”

Despite the controversy, Perry did not downplay his endorsement but instead became a more vocal supporter of Giuliani. He campaigned for him in South Carolina, and that fall went on a four-day sweep through Iowa. Talking to voters at a roundtable in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Perry made his pitch for Giuliani by striking a pragmatic tone: “ You can have your purist candidate,” he argued. But “if they can’t win, you just wasted your time.” The voters were not convinced. A Dallas Morning News headline summed up Perry’s success in Iowa: “Perry Wins over Voters — But Not for Giuliani. Iowans Like Messenger More than His Message.”

In December, Perry added to the tension with a slip of the tongue. Defending Giuliani’s pro-abortion stance by citing his promise to support strict constructionist judges, the Houston Chronicle reported Perry saying, “Then the issue becomes very, very clear to me from the standpoint of who I want to support, and it is Mike Huckabee.” When questioned about what he had just said, Perry immediately called the Huckabee mention an “error.” But it lead to another round of publicity: The Austin American-Statesman headline said Perry had “defended” his Huckabee mention as “un-Freudian,” planting an idea in voters’ minds unlikely to cheer the Giuliani campaign.

As Giuliani’s campaign fell into disarray, Perry kept fighting, doing a five-stop sweep in January through Florida introducing Giuliani at rallies. But it wasn’t enough, and, when the Guiliani campaign impoloded at the height of the 2008 primary season, Perry found himself without a candidate. In February, he endorsed McCain, employing unsentimental language: “He and I may not agree on every issue,” Perry said when announcing the new endorsement, according to the Dallas Morning News.

Guiliani’s presidential ambitions may have evaporated in the Florida sunshine, but his friendship with Rick Perry continues to this day. In the 2010 gubernatorial primary, Giuliani backed Perry over the more socially moderate Kay Bailey Hutchinson, even going so far as to go to Texas to campaign for his friend. And the two don’t limit their conversation exclusively to politics: Perry told a Dallas audience last year that Giuliani had offered to bet him a pair of Texas cowboy boots that the New York Yankees would beat the Texas Rangers in the upcoming round of playoffs leading up to the World Series. (Perry must have received his boots: The Rangers won the series, 4–2.)

Now, with the 2012 primary drawing near, and both men considered possible candidates, their comity remains. “Rick has got a great record, probably one of the strongest records of any governor in America, and one of the longest running governorships. Rick is a good friend,” Giuliani told CNN this July. Dave Carney, a top political adviser to Perry, told the Washington Post that same month that “Rudy would be an awesome asset to any campaign. Of course candidates matter to voters, but folks of the mayor’s stature bring lot of value added to any effort.”

And so the bromance continues.

214 posted on 10/09/2011 9:50:55 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Beagle8U
Agreed. Also explains the Empowerment Zones.

Can't believe it's even an issue of whether we nominate someone who says he is black before conservative. Would we vote for someone who said he was Latino before conservative, white before conservative, etc.?
216 posted on 10/09/2011 9:56:02 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: PghBaldy

wrong...we are living in extreme times now and Americans, right minded ones, are ready for a successful non politician!


217 posted on 10/09/2011 9:57:16 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: PghBaldy

wrong...we are living in extreme times now and Americans, right minded ones, are ready for a successful non politician!


218 posted on 10/09/2011 9:57:37 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; ozarkgirl
Psycho-Freep, When you have to start lying that you even ever bothered to listen to Cain, you have lost the debate.

You have never been anything a welded shut mind about Cain. Your posting history here proves it. You have never even bothered to listen to Cain due to your mindless loyalty to your candidate of choice.

Lying about your background in the vain hope it will give you some fake gloss of intellectually credibility is childish and shameful.

219 posted on 10/09/2011 9:58:02 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: tirednvirginia; mkjessup
If nothng else works, you play the race card, huh? How about the Perry supporters drop this shameful childish smear attack posting habit and try telling us why we should support Perry? What is Perry's Presdiental Agenda? What are his ideas for reform? Note I said IDEAS and PLANs, not slogans, trash talk and mindess cult of personality Perry worship.
220 posted on 10/09/2011 10:00:55 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Beagle8U; SueRae

As Beagle8u knows 9-9-9 has been out for a while now. He just cannot be bothered to learn any facts that might interfere with his Perry worship time.

http://www.hermancain.com/images/economicgrowth.pdf


221 posted on 10/09/2011 10:03:00 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; mkjessup
Cain also has little to no chance of getting elected

Right which is why you spend all your time racing around this website posting out of control flaming personal attacks at him

222 posted on 10/09/2011 10:04:25 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: lahargis
I'm still willing to hear him out on this. If it is to revive dying cities and dying local economies, he might be right.

I thought about everything we spoke about last night, and I have decided that he has more experience than I do regarding numbers and being black in America. I am going to defer to him on both those issues.

223 posted on 10/09/2011 10:04:25 AM PDT by teenyelliott (www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-brings-the-house-down-at-values-voter-summit/)
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To: MNJohnnie

Just a tip...Cut the pills in half. It might help.


224 posted on 10/09/2011 10:06:19 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: MNJohnnie
cult of personality Perry worship

Same tired old line from someone who won't disagree with even the most outrageous statements from his candidate. Let me know when you can disagree with Cain on something. And pointing out that your candidate says he is black before conservative is entirely relevant to any discussion on whether he should be our nominee for President.
225 posted on 10/09/2011 10:06:50 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: DTxAg
Address the question directed to you.

Don't continue in trying to distort, evade and demagogue in the vain hope it will allow you wiggle off the hook. It is impossible to take you seriously when you refuse to address the comments directed to you by posting per-programed empty Campaign bot responses. Where is the Perry Presidential agenda? What are his plans and ideas? Slogans, speeches full of nice sounding platitudes and "elect me I was a great guy in Texas" are neither plans nor an agenda.

226 posted on 10/09/2011 10:10:53 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Beagle8U
Address the question directed to you.

Where is the Perry Presidential agenda? What are his plans and ideas? Slogans, speeches full of nice sounding platitudes and "elect me I was a great guy in Texas" are neither plans nor an agenda.

227 posted on 10/09/2011 10:11:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

You don’t get to dictate the terms of the discussion here. Perry has undergone his anal exam, something you were more than happy about. Now that it’s Cain’s turn, you don’t get to demand that all of a sudden we start talking about Perry again.


228 posted on 10/09/2011 10:13:22 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: Nucluside
The only people who would have their taxes “raised” under the Cain plan are those who pay no taxes currently.

There are those people certainly, currently a little under half the population. But there are another percentage who pay some tax but less than what they will pay under the Cain plan. That will no doubt push the number of people facing a tax increase over the 50% mark.

Tax the poor and let them pay for some of their own upkeep.

You expect the poor to be happy about that and to vote for Cain as a result?

Cain does not go far enough in my opinion. Those who pay no taxes shouldn’t be allowed to vote, in my opinion.

Well it isn't a perfect world, is it?

229 posted on 10/09/2011 10:18:33 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: DTxAg
Sorry until you address the question put to you, it is impossible to take your campaign-bot postings seriously

Where is the Perry Presidential agenda?

Slogans, speeches full of empty platitudes, and narcissistic cult of personality worship of his supposed record in Texas are not a Presidential agenda.

230 posted on 10/09/2011 10:19:53 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I wish we had someone better than anyone running right now.

Period.

Obama is mortally wounded...most of the country is pissed at him.

And this is the best we have?

A flip flop NeoNortheastern moderate

A flipflop slightly more capable Texan..who is more conservative than Romney

and a black businessman who sounds good but does misstep and I will admit it..my Will Robinson flashers are going off over him now...I’ve gone from...first off..race pick yet again...still some truth to that...to then..hey I like this guy...to now...not so sure..he worries me...unpredictable...could be a Souter...I’m telling ya..at least on some stuff

so now what?


231 posted on 10/09/2011 10:24:50 AM PDT by wardaddy (we have entered whatever land here on FR..maybe we will find our bearing again some day)
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To: Huck

Sorry to omit the poster as I’ve forgotten him/her but when you start sayin’ stuff like people who are not for Cain are ‘waiting for their sheets to come back from the dry cleaners,’ it’s getting pretty nasty around here.

It doesn’t speak well for Cain OR for his supporters who seem more and more to be resorting to insults and hysteria.


232 posted on 10/09/2011 10:25:35 AM PDT by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: tirednvirginia
No proven record in the job you are applying for means you don’t get the job

Using your logic, only former presidents would qualify. I want a problem-solver as president, not some professional politician.
233 posted on 10/09/2011 10:26:30 AM PDT by TheCornerOffice
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To: MNJohnnie
Slogans, speeches full of empty platitudes, and narcissistic cult of personality worship of his supposed record in Texas are not a Presidential agenda.

We just went through an evaporation that reminds me of your post...though a bit further north. I'm not happy with any of the front runners...I see potholes and holding my nose. Damned shame considering what is at stake

234 posted on 10/09/2011 10:26:43 AM PDT by wardaddy (we have entered whatever land here on FR..maybe we will find our bearing again some day)
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To: ozarkgirl; mkjessup; sodpoodle

I was not addressing you or your candidate. I was addressing mkjessup who said this to sodpoodle.

“I read some of these sneers and smirks about this good man, and can’t help but wonder if the smirkers are just biding their time until their sheets come back from the dry cleaners. “

One doesn’ have to be black to play the race card. White liberal do this all the ime when their boy, Barack, is criticized.


235 posted on 10/09/2011 10:36:21 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: MNJohnnie
This isn’t your website, and you don’t get to dictate the terms of the discussion. Rick Perry’s record in Texas has been thoroughly examined and criticized.

Now that Cain is up and coming, the spotlight is shining on his record and the things he has said. You don’t like it, which is understandable. Hearing that the guy you support considers himself black before conservative can't be easy. That sort of thing normally belongs in the liberal camp. But all of your insults, name-calling, and immature behavior can't change the fact that Herman Cain's record will be examined, and you don't get to set limits on that discussion.

You can say that I can't be taken seriously. But I'm not the one who said it is OK for towns across America to ban mosques since that doesn't discriminate against any particular religion, Cain did. I'm not the one who said opposition to TARP was based on "economic illiteracy", Cain did. I'm not the one who said I am (insert race) before conservative, Cain did. We will continue to point out these things, and there's not a thing you can do about it.
236 posted on 10/09/2011 10:47:39 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: SoJoCo

I’m sorry but your assumptions are incorrect. That claim is willfully misleading. All Americans workers pay taxes. You need to expand your understanding of the tax code and how it works. Your statements are not accurate.


237 posted on 10/09/2011 10:58:50 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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Nice sounding speeches and slogans are not an agenda.

Where is the Perry plan that compares to Cain's or Gingrich's or even Santorums?

238 posted on 10/09/2011 11:00:22 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
First, he is not actually a politician.

Not for the lack of trying! He's run for POTUS in 2000 and for US Senate in 2004. He just hasn't closed the deal before. It's disingenuous to state that he's not a politician. Of course who wants to let facts get in the way of this populist emotionalism.

239 posted on 10/09/2011 11:05:56 AM PDT by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: MNJohnnie
All Americans workers pay taxes.

And under Cain's plan most American workers will pay more. Nothing confusing or inaccurate about that.

240 posted on 10/09/2011 11:07:18 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo
I'm sorry but if you refuse to learn the facts about the current Tax system, there is no way anyone can make you learn them.

You have to educate you. No one can do it for you.

241 posted on 10/09/2011 11:11:43 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: CajunConservative
Not for the lack of trying! He's run for POTUS in 2000 and for US Senate in 2004. He just hasn't closed the deal before. It's disingenuous to state that he's not a politician. Of course who wants to let facts get in the way of this populist emotionalism.

Absolutely right. I find it wonderfully delicious to see those who celebrated Rick Perry's fall to now squeal at the examination of Cain's record. NO! NO! DON'T LOOK AT CAIN'S RECORD! LET'S KEEP TALKING ABOUT RICK PERRY!
242 posted on 10/09/2011 11:21:25 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: MNJohnnie
I'm sorry but if you refuse to learn the facts about the current Tax system, there is no way anyone can make you learn them.

I'm not sure what the problem is. I agree with you. Regardless of what tax structure you operate under or what the rates are or what governmental entity is doing the taxing, it's a cost to doing business. Business will pass those costs on to the consumer. I don't have a problem understanding that. But all that aside, Cain's income tax and his sales tax will likely more than double the taxes the majority of people pay. That is simple math and based on a comparison between what people pay now and what they pay under the Cain scheme. So I'm not sure what the point is you're trying to make.

243 posted on 10/09/2011 11:21:44 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo
So I'm not sure what the point is you're trying to make.

I believe the theory is that Congress implements a national sales tax and then, at some future point, the 16th Amendment gets repealed so that income taxes are no longer collected. Obviously, you have to hope that some future Congress doesn't decide that they like the income and national sales taxes, so why not keep both.
245 posted on 10/09/2011 11:28:31 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: PghBaldy
“Given he has never held elected office, or been a general, his chances seem slim to none.”

Well, the fact that he (Cain)has never held elected office is a plus in my book. Concerning his never having been a general, being that I only made it to a mere Speedy-Four, I'm not that crazy about generals either. As I recall, bad things happened whenever a general came on the scene :)

246 posted on 10/09/2011 11:44:13 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: tirednvirginia
If nothng else works, you play the race card, huh?

Not at all. Just idle speculation on my part.

But it sounds like I hit a raw nerve with you.
247 posted on 10/09/2011 12:03:52 PM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: ozarkgirl; tirednvirginia
If nothng else works, you play the race card, huh?
Guess I missed that first time through. MK, we don't have to play the race card on this guy. His record speaks for himself.
FYI, my skin color is white (actually a bit off white, cream color?)


As I already responded to TnV, my comment was nothing more than idle speculation, but TnV's immediate response accusing me of 'playing the race card' suggests (as I said) that I must have hit a raw nerve.

For the record, I'm a Honkie for Herman!
248 posted on 10/09/2011 12:08:24 PM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: tirednvirginia; ozarkgirl; sodpoodle; MNJohnnie
I was not addressing you or your candidate. I was addressing mkjessup who said this to sodpoodle.

“I read some of these sneers and smirks about this good man, and can’t help but wonder if the smirkers are just biding their time until their sheets come back from the dry cleaners. “


One doesn’ have to be black to play the race card. White liberal do this all the ime when their boy, Barack, is criticized.


When their 'BOY' is criticized?!? Say there pardner, that could be construed as racist itself!

I'm beginning to think that you 'protesteth too much', as you are (thus far) the only poster to object so vociferously to my off hand remarks.
249 posted on 10/09/2011 12:15:02 PM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: mkjessup

Excuse me? Don’t think you win friends here with that remark.

We see the race card played all the time and you can’t scare me off by playing it on me.

You don’t win one more vote here with attacking other posters as racist simply because they critize your candidate who happens to be black.


250 posted on 10/09/2011 12:24:32 PM PDT by tirednvirginia (one)
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