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ATF gunwalking scandal: Second agent speaks out (Other Agencies knew about it!)
CBS ^ | March 21, 2011 | Sharyl Attkisson

Posted on 03/21/2011 3:54:11 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA

(CBS News) WASHINGTON - South of El Paso on Mexico's side of the border lies Juarez - the most dangerous city in the world. CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports ATF Special Agent Rene Jaquez has been stationed there for the past year trying to keep U.S. guns from being trafficked into Mexico.

"That's what we do as an agency," Jaquez said. "ATF's primary mission is to make sure that we curtail gun trafficking."

That's why Jaquez tells CBS News he was so alarmed to hear his own agency may have done the opposite: encouraged U.S. gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexico's drug cartels. Apparently, ATF hoped that letting weapons "walk" onto the street - to see where they'd end up - would help them take down a cartel.

--snip--

But ATF wasn't working alone on the case known as "Fast and Furious." Documents show ATF had conference calls with DHS (Homeland Security,) "USMS" (U.S. Marshals,) and DEA. An "ICE" or Customs agent was on ATF's Fast and Furious team. They were advised by an "AUSA" or Assistant U.S. Attorney under the Justice Department.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batf; batfe; batfeisajoke; bootthebatfe; corruption; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; gunwalker; gunwalking; holder; obama; projectgunrunner; projectgunwalker
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1 posted on 03/21/2011 3:54:13 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Heads need to roll for this!

Disband the ATF!


2 posted on 03/21/2011 3:56:09 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What did he know and when did he know it?


3 posted on 03/21/2011 3:56:22 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
"That's what we do as an agency," Jaquez said. "ATF's primary mission is to make sure that we curtail gun trafficking."

Note: The agent does not say "illegal" gun trafficking. Paging Senator Grassley. Please pick up the white courtesy phone.

TS

4 posted on 03/21/2011 3:57:50 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: Red in Blue PA; Travis McGee; Squantos; RaceBannon
Someone might want to post this to the "bang list".

Regards,

TS

5 posted on 03/21/2011 4:01:26 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

OK can the grown ups take charge please and save our nations.
A false flag op. to strip Americans of their 2nd amendment rights has blown up in their faces!

FUBO!


6 posted on 03/21/2011 4:07:24 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: Red in Blue PA

Well, it depends upon what the goal of this action was.

If it was to follow guns and bust the gun runners, they failed.

If it was to add some artificial credence to their asinine assertion that the drug cartels got 90% of their guns from the U.S., they failed. It just took a while for the truth to out. Amazing this is from CBS.


7 posted on 03/21/2011 4:08:37 PM PDT by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Disband the ATF!”

And the DHS and the DEA and the ......


8 posted on 03/21/2011 4:10:56 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: Red in Blue PA
The BATF mission was to curtail gun running. That's why they made sure that all of those illegal guns were walked over the border instead of run.

After all, running with a gun, just like running with scissors, is dangerous.

9 posted on 03/21/2011 4:13:39 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Really now! Is anyone genuinely surprised?


10 posted on 03/21/2011 4:13:50 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: Red in Blue PA

Their counterparts on the Mexico side are aiding the cartels in moving the drugs.

It’s called job security, you want to make director you need more staff and resources under you.


11 posted on 03/21/2011 4:13:59 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Red in Blue PA

For anyone who knows...do cartridges fired from an AK-47 display a distinctive impression that can be traced back to the firing gun? Like a pistol?


12 posted on 03/21/2011 4:14:15 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Which has more wrinkles? Helen Thomas' face or Lawrence O'Donnells' panties?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The word came down from the top. What did Obama know and when did he know it.


13 posted on 03/21/2011 4:18:01 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Why don’t police departments in all the major cities sell guns undercover to suspected traffickers to find out where the guns walk? That way they can get all the guns off the street once someone has been murdered!!! What a terrific idea!!!!


14 posted on 03/21/2011 4:31:32 PM PDT by Defend Liberty
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To: Red in Blue PA

I bet they’ve done this with drugs as well.


15 posted on 03/21/2011 4:32:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; All; Admin Moderator

Mods,

Why was this removed from Breaking News?

If collusion among govt departments in illegal acts does not count as Breaking News, then what does?

And this just came out today.


16 posted on 03/21/2011 4:40:01 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The word came down from the top.

This VILE Admin makes the Clintons look like pikers. Evil to the core!


17 posted on 03/21/2011 4:52:52 PM PDT by houeto (Government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Out in the West Texas town of El Paso, we smuggled guns to the Mexican mob

Ol' Master Holder and his boss the Obama, both said we're doin' a Helluva job

Anybody want to add more lyrics?

18 posted on 03/21/2011 4:53:36 PM PDT by katana
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To: Red in Blue PA

Some days I think the entire federal government is a corrupt cesspool. Other days I am sure.


19 posted on 03/21/2011 4:55:53 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

to answer your question, to a degree, yes. A case fired from a gun leaves a “fingerprint” allowing a match to be attained. However, unlike real fingerprints, the more a gun is used, the more the chamber, firing pin impression and rifling change.

This means that the first bullet fired from a gun will have different markings due to wear than say the 500th or 5000th round. The cases will bear different markings as well.

If the barrel is lapped, the markings on the lands and grooves will show a different pattern than before the lapping.

Firearms forensics is a fickle science depending upon the suspect weapon having not been modified or shot all to hell before recovery.


20 posted on 03/21/2011 5:00:27 PM PDT by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

As I read the article I had the strangest feeling that this gun-walking was brought about by a mole embedded in the ATF or DOJ. Does anybody else smell a rat?


21 posted on 03/21/2011 5:07:38 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama is a fraud. The founders gave us the tool of impeachment for a reason.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It clearly goes to the top.


22 posted on 03/21/2011 5:12:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: freedomfiter2

typical Lib anti-Gun PR scam that killed people. As usual


23 posted on 03/21/2011 5:28:57 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Where does the world go when the largest government on the planet becomes the terrorist?


24 posted on 03/21/2011 5:45:29 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spineless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Documents point to ATF "gun running" since 2008

This is a link on the same page as the linked story.

25 posted on 03/21/2011 5:47:35 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spineless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Where does the world go when the largest government on the planet becomes the terrorist?

To a gun show.

BLOAT

26 posted on 03/21/2011 5:49:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

So the ATF is full of criminals and ran guns to mexican criminals. Where is nobama, the great leader, and holder, the race-baiting racist attorney general? Are they investigating this and prosecuting these criminals?


27 posted on 03/21/2011 5:53:19 PM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: hal ogen
Where is nobama, the great leader, and holder, the race-baiting racist attorney general?

He's in Rio. Hope he stays there!

28 posted on 03/21/2011 6:07:01 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Where does the world go when the largest government on the planet becomes the terrorist?

Good question. This is the last stand for freedom on earth - are y'all ready to do what's necessary to keep it?

29 posted on 03/21/2011 6:08:44 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: hal ogen
Where is nobama, the great leader, and holder, the race-baiting racist attorney general?

0bungle is in Chile today. He'll be hot tamale.

30 posted on 03/21/2011 6:13:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Let’s NOT lose sight of the fact that all these other agencies KNEW about this, THEREFORE AS THOSE AGENCIES ARE CABINET LEVEL THE WHOLE DAMNED OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WAS IN ON IT.


31 posted on 03/21/2011 6:14:43 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: katana
Anybody want to add more lyrics?

Blacker than night were the eyes of Obama
Wicked and evil while casting a spell
His hate was deep for this second amendment
With it in place, his grand plan would not swell.

32 posted on 03/21/2011 6:17:44 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

When did all this start? Did it start under ocokesnorter?


33 posted on 03/21/2011 6:25:55 PM PDT by ratsreek
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To: ratsreek

Has anyone come to the same opinion as I have that the departments of Justice and Homeland Security and all associated bureaus have been transformed into organized crime enterprises. Gun running, judges bought and sold, prosecutors that don’t prosecute but do persecute, border security that allows and profits from drug running, sex rings, etc. Wonder how much of the payoffs are going to Zeros re-election campaign.


34 posted on 03/21/2011 6:41:33 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: glock rocks

“If it was to follow guns and bust the gun runners, they failed.”

I don’t see how allowing the guns into Mexico, then waiting to see if they turn up a crime scenes, could ever reasonably be expected to “bust the gun runners”. I am willing to be convinced, though. Please explain just how this would work?


35 posted on 03/21/2011 6:55:36 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Red in Blue PA

This thing still has legs. Now it needs to run over some “senior officials”. Take your pick. It’s open season as far as I can see.


36 posted on 03/21/2011 7:00:44 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: ratsreek

That’s what I’m wondering. We will probably hear it twas “BUSHES FAULT”


37 posted on 03/21/2011 7:02:51 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Figures don't lie, liars figure!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The ATF should have walked Cuban cigars instead.


38 posted on 03/21/2011 7:03:23 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Red in Blue PA
ocuments show ATF had conference calls with DHS (Homeland Security,) "USMS" (U.S. Marshals,) and DEA. An "ICE" or Customs agent was on ATF's Fast and Furious team. They were advised by an "AUSA" or Assistant U.S. Attorney under the Justice Department.

The government is criminals...

39 posted on 03/21/2011 7:04:38 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Islamic law upholds that children born to a Muslim father are automatically Muslim)
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To: marktwain

I have no idea how this would work. No idea. I lean towards the other option, that they were trying to shut down legal sales by claiming the cabals were getting their weapons on the north side of the tracks.


40 posted on 03/21/2011 7:24:02 PM PDT by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: katana

Great Song


41 posted on 03/21/2011 7:38:35 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

You forgot the storm troopers, AKA UNIONS.


42 posted on 03/21/2011 8:15:53 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: glock rocks
"I lean towards the other option, that they were trying to shut down legal sales by claiming the cabals were getting their weapons on the north side of the tracks."

That's a given: if the ATF is involved, and it's a big splashy, headline-grabbing case, it's a given that the real intent is to demonize lawful gun owners.

43 posted on 03/21/2011 9:42:24 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: ratsreek; Lurkina.n.Learnin

“When did all this start?” ===

Now there is a question posed that needs an answer.


44 posted on 03/21/2011 10:18:28 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Red in Blue PA
Apparently, ATF hoped that letting weapons "walk" onto the street - to see where they'd end up - would help them take down a cartel.

BULL CRAP!

They were manufacturing evidence to support the notion that US gun shows and gun stores are supplying the weapons used in Mexico.

This is pathetic spin.

45 posted on 03/21/2011 10:26:30 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Jamie Gorlick in reverse....

seems they assembled a team of rouge agents across numerous agencies...

see more of this coming under this czar 0bambi

46 posted on 03/22/2011 12:26:55 AM PDT by spokeshave (Half-American, non natural-born, starts war without Congress OK, while on vacation in Brazil.)
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To: Nachum

Ping


47 posted on 03/22/2011 12:34:10 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: RetiredTexasVet
The ONLY reason I can see for not having closed the Southern border is that someone(s) highly placed have been consistently receiving payoffs from the drug trade and possibly the market in illegal labor.

Anything less would be simple treason, not just corruption.

48 posted on 03/22/2011 12:58:22 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

The federal government is completely out of control. Corrupt and bloated, they serve only themselves and their ranks, together a slightly westernized version of the Politburo.

I place 90% of the blame on the conniving shills for communism known as the Democrat Party and 10% on the candy-assed, limp-wristed, cowardly Republicans collapsing onto their fainting couches every time the rat mouthpiece media barks at them.


49 posted on 03/22/2011 1:04:42 AM PDT by ratsreek
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To: Smokin' Joe
The ONLY reason I can see for not having closed the Southern border is that...

...it's 1,969 miles?

50 posted on 03/22/2011 2:11:56 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama: nobel peace prize winner, warmonger, golfer.)
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