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Columbia crew didn't stand a chance, NASA says
globeandmail.com ^ | 12/31/2008 | Irene Klotz

Posted on 12/31/2008 1:34:25 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan

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I saw the Challenger explode in 1986 as I stood in the parking lot of Titusville High School in Florida near Cape Canaveral.

So many years later and several states away, I watched the Columbia break apart in the skies over my home in Dallas/Fort Worth.

Both accidents were the result of repeatedly ignored warnings.

1 posted on 12/31/2008 1:34:25 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Too bad we can’t re-instill the right stuff from the days of Apollo 13 into NASA of today.


2 posted on 12/31/2008 1:36:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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At 18,0000 miles per hour, there ain’t much hope for anyone in case of an emergency............


3 posted on 12/31/2008 1:38:08 PM PST by Red Badger (I was sad because I had no shoes to throw, until I met a reporter who had no feet.....)
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“At 18,0000 miles per hour, there ain’t much hope for anyone in case of an emergency.......”

that’s what I was thinking as I listened to some spokesman on the news last night. He was talking about all the safety precautions that NASA should or is developing.


4 posted on 12/31/2008 1:40:50 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: BuckeyeTexan

One of the earliest indicators of a problem with this shuttle was a live thread on FR.

A poster in the western US posted a thread querying/indicating visible problems with the shuttle re-entry.

Sadly, the poster was correct that there were problems.

We followed the incident to its conclusion.


5 posted on 12/31/2008 1:42:02 PM PST by TomGuy
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At that speed I’m sure it was all over in a matter of seconds, not minutes, and very few of them.............


6 posted on 12/31/2008 1:42:10 PM PST by Red Badger (I was sad because I had no shoes to throw, until I met a reporter who had no feet.....)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Both accidents were the result of repeatedly ignored warnings.

And let's not forget that both accidents were also caused by NASA's insistence on going with the cheapest possible design for a shuttle.

7 posted on 12/31/2008 1:44:49 PM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
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From what I’ve heard they were unconscious in seconds but lived for minutes.


8 posted on 12/31/2008 1:45:54 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Red Badger
Very true, if you're boring through our atmosphere with no shielding at that speed.

On the other hand, you're orbiting the sun MUCH faster than that right now.

9 posted on 12/31/2008 1:46:44 PM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: MahatmaGandu

EPA regulations have also played a part as they prevent the best materials from being used.


10 posted on 12/31/2008 1:46:57 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: MahatmaGandu

Were the O-Rings cheap, or just poorly designed?


11 posted on 12/31/2008 1:47:28 PM PST by MarkeyD (11-4-08 For the first time I can say I am ashamed of my country.)
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To: driftdiver

The Shuttle is a prime example of the technology American Socialism produces.


12 posted on 12/31/2008 1:49:40 PM PST by bvw
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To: MahatmaGandu

I googled nasa rumors today looking for news on Obama cancelling Ares and instead found an anoymous nasa board where insiders are blasting ares as the 2 worst parts of the shuttle, the foam tank and the solid boosters. it was eye opening to see so many whistle blowers that want to go in a safer direction. Nasa must go on but it needs a new approach and management.


13 posted on 12/31/2008 1:50:10 PM PST by omega4179 (itRamos and Compean)
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the O rings where cold.


14 posted on 12/31/2008 1:50:49 PM PST by omega4179 (itRamos and Compean)
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To: MahatmaGandu

Both accidents were caused by NASAs insistence on going with a shuttle design, period.

They could have and should have gone with a reusable SSTO instead.


15 posted on 12/31/2008 1:51:01 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TomGuy

IIRC, he didn’t report what he saw as a problem, he reported that he saw the shuttle and that there was more than one object he was tracking, like he saw some white trails alongside and he wondered what he saw, thinking it was a little odd but not a problem when he saw it

later, the media had to acknowlege that FR and that post itself was the very first visual indication of any problem


16 posted on 12/31/2008 1:52:09 PM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’m sorry you saw both tragedies I was holding my breath watching sts-124 take off but went home filled with pride.


17 posted on 12/31/2008 1:52:40 PM PST by omega4179 (Bush Abandoned Ramos and Compean)
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I love this quote from the deputy associate administrator:
“I call on spacecraft designers from all the other nations of the world, as well as the commercial and personal spacecraft designers here at home to read this report and apply these hard lessons which have been paid for so dearly,” Mr. Hale said.
18 posted on 12/31/2008 1:53:10 PM PST by Krankor (SH.)
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"Too bad we can’t re-instill the right stuff from the days of Apollo 13 into NASA of today."

Too bad we can’t re-instill the right stuff from the days of Apollo 13 into America of today.

19 posted on 12/31/2008 1:53:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’ll never forget watching the video of friends and family of Christa McAuliffe watching the Challenger launch and when it exploded, and the columns of smoke diverged, one of them said, “Is it supposed to look like that?”

So sad. I can’t imagine watching that happen knowing somebody inside.


20 posted on 12/31/2008 1:54:32 PM PST by samtheman
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