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Columbia crew didn't stand a chance, NASA says
globeandmail.com ^ | 12/31/2008 | Irene Klotz

Posted on 12/31/2008 1:34:25 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan

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To: MahatmaGandu
also caused by NASA's insistence on going with the cheapest possible design for a shuttle.

Not to mention environmental regulations on adhering the tiles

21 posted on 12/31/2008 1:54:42 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The tree of liberty is getting mighty dry)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Analysis shows the astronauts' shoulder harnesses failed and their helmets did not adequately protect their heads. The lack of safety restraints caused traumatic injuries.

Ugh.

22 posted on 12/31/2008 1:54:44 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: driftdiver
From what I’ve heard they were unconscious in seconds but lived for minutes.

And their souls are forever at peace in heaven and in the loving arms of Jesus.

23 posted on 12/31/2008 1:55:18 PM PST by Evil Slayer (Sarah Palin reminds me of the story about David and Goliath (1 Samuel 17:1-11, 41-50)
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To: MarkeyD

IIRC, NASA wanted to use a liquid booster, but the solid boosters were manufactured in Walter Mondale’s district, so that’s what they had to use.


24 posted on 12/31/2008 1:59:41 PM PST by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: editor-surveyor

I was lucky to get the chance to meet James McDivitt many times as a kid due to my grandfather’s business dealings with him. One of the early rocket jocks who loved being a hero to kids like me.


25 posted on 12/31/2008 2:00:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: MarkeyD

I heard that Morton Thiokol Engineers stated that Columbia had 33% chance to fail upon lift due to the cold temperatures. BEFORE Columbia lifted off.

They were excused from the meeting and the managers took over and gave NASA the OK to launch.

I could be wrong though but I heard that in an engineering meeting back in the day.


26 posted on 12/31/2008 2:00:50 PM PST by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals really intend to increase the misery through their actions. Gives them power)
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To: samtheman

The space program was very important to Titusville residents. We watched every launch with pride. I knew immediately that Challenger’s launch had gone terrible wrong. My history teacher had applied to be the “Teacher in Space.” He was in the top 15. He walked around in a daze for weeks after the accident.

I was taking my daughter to gymnastics class when the Columbia broke apart. Again I was watching from a parking lot. I had just told my daughter about witnessing the Challenger accident. I couldn’t speak for several minutes afterward. I went inside the gymnasium to tell some other parents that we had just lost Columbia ... nobody cared.


27 posted on 12/31/2008 2:03:51 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I think you’re bad luck.


28 posted on 12/31/2008 2:04:12 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

The report makes it clear that the astronauts were buffeted so badly that their heads were smashed against the interiors of their helmets. The blows to the head would have rendered them unconscious and then dead within a few seconds. As the forces got worse, their harnesses gave way apparently.

It doesn’t sound like there were any intact corpses even before the vehicle exploded. What a very very sad event.


29 posted on 12/31/2008 2:04:44 PM PST by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: MahatmaGandu

“And let’s not forget that both accidents were also caused by NASA’s insistence on going with the cheapest possible design for a shuttle.”

And here I thought it was faulty O rings on an otherwise over priced, oever engineered craft.


30 posted on 12/31/2008 2:05:14 PM PST by Pessimist
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To: Spktyr

Except physics got in their way.


31 posted on 12/31/2008 2:05:24 PM PST by AntiKev ("Within the strangest people, truth can find the strangest home." - Great Big Sea - Company of Fools)
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To: TomGuy; BuckeyeTexan
One of the earliest indicators of a problem with this shuttle was a live thread on FR.

It was, in fact, THE earliest report of a problem. A FReeper from the Las Vegas area, as I recall, posted that they had seen the re-entering shuttle shed a large glowing object.

Subsequent research of time stamps by news organizations revealed that this was the very first report of a possible problem.

Shortly thereafter came the report from North Central Texas that there were multiple vapor trails on the expected track, suggesting a break-up.

When Columbia failed to show up on time at KSC, most FReepers already grasped the truth of what had happened.

32 posted on 12/31/2008 2:06:02 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: cripplecreek
Too bad we can’t re-instill the right stuff from the days of Apollo 13 into NASA of today.

Go read what caused the explosion on board Apollo 13. Go read about the loss of three heroes on the pad in Apollo 1. Neither of those mistakes were 'The Right Stuff.'

NASA made grave mistakes then, and they make them now. Whenever you have to make literally millions of decisions, one or two will be wrong. Unfortunately, when that one decision is wrong, people often die. That is the nature of Space Flight.

33 posted on 12/31/2008 2:06:10 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Evil Slayer

“And their souls are forever at peace in heaven and in the loving arms of Jesus”.

Why? Because they were astronauts?


34 posted on 12/31/2008 2:06:10 PM PST by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: swmobuffalo
He was talking about all the safety precautions that NASA should or is developing.

From the bit I've read of the report the investigation showed NASA a lot of places where safety could be improved in general, although none of them would have helped in this case.

35 posted on 12/31/2008 2:06:28 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Pessimist
And here I thought it was faulty O rings on an otherwise over priced, oever engineered craft.

The rubber O rings were a cost cutting measure. The Russians use expensive titanium fittings for the same application because they knew synthetic rubber was useless at low temps way back in the 1960's.

36 posted on 12/31/2008 2:09:12 PM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
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To: Yo-Yo
NASA made grave mistakes then, and they make them now.

True but the Apollo mistakes weren't things that caused people to raise alarms only to be silenced.
37 posted on 12/31/2008 2:10:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Pessimist
“And let’s not forget that both accidents were also caused by NASA’s insistence on going with the cheapest possible design for a shuttle.” And here I thought it was faulty O rings on an otherwise over priced, oever engineered craft.

You're both right.

Seriously.

38 posted on 12/31/2008 2:10:38 PM PST by Jim Noble (Long May Our Land Be Bright With Freedom's Holy Light)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; Spktyr; omega4179; MahatmaGandu; BuckeyeTexan
An idea that NASA should have looked at long ago.

Big Dumb Boosters Can we build them ?

39 posted on 12/31/2008 2:11:23 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Personally I don’t see the need to release the report to the public but it is good to study. That’s how improvements are made.


40 posted on 12/31/2008 2:12:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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