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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: CharlesWayneCT
I know, I was surprised by that. But for a ‘newbie’, he was pretty “veteran-like”, I’m betting he was a banned person sneaking back in. I don’t remember seeing him say anything untoward, or seeing the moderators say anything, but he is banned.

I too suspect that he was a retread. Don't know who he was, but management has NO tolerance for retreads. None.

4,201 posted on 04/22/2007 9:58:07 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Jim Robinson
I’ll reserve and preserve my right to fight against any abortionist gun grabbing liberal that gets elected to the White House from either party. Thank you very much.

No one is denying you that right. Certainly not I.

4,202 posted on 04/22/2007 9:58:25 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: EternalVigilance

You’re not content on a Rudy sliming thread to stop there, EVie, you’ve got to slime the favorite of many of us here. You are a slime boy.


4,203 posted on 04/22/2007 9:58:43 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I will do what I want to do. Its that whole freedom and liberty thingy....

Which will cease to exist if Rudy cons his way into the WH.

4,204 posted on 04/22/2007 9:58:58 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: laurenmarlowe

No need to ask him. He’s already stated the truth. And he says if we don’t like it, don’t vote for him. Thanks. We won’t.


4,205 posted on 04/22/2007 9:59:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Central Scrutiniser

The road to the nomination is an ugly one, but I am not a party to it -— I am content to wait until the first of the candidate debates to select my favorite and at this point I do not have a favorite “announced” candidate.

I am, however, hoping and humbly praying for Fred Thompson to enter the race for the GOP nomination.

I much prefer to be FOR a candidate than against his rivals, since one will eventually emerge the winner and that man will get my vote in the general election.


4,206 posted on 04/22/2007 9:59:22 PM PDT by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
If Rudy toes the conservative line, he’ll win in the General Election. If he goes Rockefeller Republican, he’ll lose.

Why do you insist upon ignoring his ENTIRE political career?! What he says NOW is meaningless when compared to his flaming liberal history as Mayor of NYC.

4,207 posted on 04/22/2007 9:59:27 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: All

Have a good night everybody.


4,208 posted on 04/22/2007 9:59:28 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal

It’s important to remember he was scraping the bottom and in december of 2003 had started loaning money to his campaign.

This is why citing all the polls showing rudy leading the pack or hillary leading the pack or rudy beating hillary are rather ridiculous at this point in time. Those aren’t the numbers that matter now.


4,209 posted on 04/22/2007 9:59:45 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Which will cease to exist if Rudy cons his way into the WH

Hyperbole much?

4,210 posted on 04/22/2007 9:59:55 PM PDT by cicero's_son (Vote Rudy! Annoy a wingnut.)
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To: LdSentinal

I don’t care about Badnarik. He’s not an elected official. You said Paul was pro-homosexual rights and he’s not.


4,211 posted on 04/22/2007 10:00:28 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

But, evidently, hyperbole will still exist?

Go to bed.

Keep shooting in a circle, soon you will be the only one left standing.


4,212 posted on 04/22/2007 10:00:35 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Never Let a Theocon Near a Textbook. Teach Evolution!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

the problem is going to come, when Thompson is fully vetted on the abortion and gay issue. President Thompson isn’t going to be able to do a thing about gay civil unions in the states, and when he is forced to give full and complete answers (as opposed to the “hot button” answer “I’m against gay marriage”) on the topic, it will become clear. On abortion, Thompson is pro-life. OK, so let’s say Roe goes (on constitutional grounds) in a Thompson presidency - what’s the pro-life movement going to do when no more then 2 states vote to outlaw abortion for adult women in the first trimester? Is Thompson for a constitutional amendment banning all abortion, which is the next logical, legal, conservative step in the pro-life advance? I doubt he will take that position.


4,213 posted on 04/22/2007 10:00:38 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Well, winning an argument by silencing your opponent is not very classy. This is a circular firing squad and it breaks Reagan’s 11th commandment. Its sad.

What is sad is to support someone that advocates breaking most the other 10 commandments.

4,214 posted on 04/22/2007 10:00:38 PM PDT by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: Torie
So you’re finally gone? WOO-Ho!!
4,215 posted on 04/22/2007 10:00:46 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Spiff
Should it be "free" to support particular candidates like Obama or Hillary? Then why should it be "free" to support any other damned liberal? Like Giuliani.

BUT HE HAS AN 'R' NEXT TO HIS NAME!

I'm convinced if Obama switched to republican and doublespoke some conservative values thing, there would be a crowd here screaming "HE CAN BEAT HILLARY!"

4,216 posted on 04/22/2007 10:00:46 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Did I mention ANYTHING about any other candidate ???

Nope .. I don’t recall doing that

I just commented that Ron Paul is a Loon, which he is


4,217 posted on 04/22/2007 10:02:27 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Iwo Jima

Good news is always grand is it not?


4,218 posted on 04/22/2007 10:02:58 PM PDT by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Well, winning an argument by silencing your opponent is not very classy. This is a circular firing squad and it breaks Reagan’s 11th commandment. Its sad.

I agree. Let's bring all idea's to the table through the debate process, then we can start gleaning our candidate.

I have faith in the American people. This idea that we have to filter out candidates before the first debate is ever held is absurd.

4,219 posted on 04/22/2007 10:03:02 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I ain't interested in your interpretation. If you can't source that in it's full context, then stop bothering me with this issue.

"I'm not ready to go there yet."

Conceding that McCain-Feingold hasn't worked as intended, and is being riddled with new loopholes, he [Fred Thompson] throws his hands open in exasperation."I'm not prepared to go there yet, but I wonder if we shouldn't just take off the limits and have full disclosure with harsh penalties for not reporting everything on the Internet immediately."

4,220 posted on 04/22/2007 10:03:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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