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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: proud American in Canada
Are there the Sunday a.m. talk show threads still? Any live threads?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1825427/posts

Here's the Sunday talk show thread. Not much live going on right now; I hope things settle down soon.

15,361 posted on 04/29/2007 5:39:05 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: Dog Gone
Rudy is the GOP frontrunner, and I'd like to know why. Sure, I know the general reasons about "America's Mayor", blah blah blah, but I don't see the point of utterly dismissing him here and chilling the debate. For Pete's sake, it's not an emergency. Nobody is even voting this year.

Thank you--the voice of reason. You are so right.

It is a shame, what's happened here. A tragedy, actually.

15,362 posted on 04/29/2007 5:39:11 PM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I have a problem with large numbers of people from one religion - or from a narrow interpretation of one religion - legislating based on the tenets of that narrow religious interpretation. I do not think this is an inconsistant view with conservatism, if we’re looking at conservatism as meaning “to conserve.” First and foremost I think it is important to conserve freedom. Conserving freedom becomes an issue when lawmakers start using a narrow interpretation of one religion as the basis for legislation.

I am a admirer of Jefferson and an admirer of the Age of Reason, which is the true basis for the foundation of this country.


15,363 posted on 04/29/2007 5:39:44 PM PDT by DGray
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To: NittanyLion
That's a very good description of what this is all about.
Post of the thread IMO.
15,364 posted on 04/29/2007 5:40:04 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: JCEccles

I stand by what I said, and I’m not about to engage in a food fight with you.

Believe what you will.


15,365 posted on 04/29/2007 5:40:08 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: mkjessup
SF, I have no real quarrel with you, your getting involved in that little food fight between me and another poster surprised me, I have to say I didn't 'get' why you would want to poke your head into a bunch of flying creme pies, lol.

Because man, there is NO reason......it's just Freepers pissing off Freepers.......kind of my not so subtle point.....it's done, we're just hurting ourselves now...... I don't hate you, you don't hate me.......so......perhaps time to be quiet...(STFU).....;)

15,366 posted on 04/29/2007 5:40:28 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: EternalVigilance

You’re still deluded. I was referencing the founder’s failure to apply “all men” to blacks.


15,367 posted on 04/29/2007 5:40:50 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: sully777

bookmark (again, Yikes!)


15,368 posted on 04/29/2007 5:41:06 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Miss Marple
There was nothing vulgar or ungentlemanly about that post. It was very much to the point.

You do understand, do you not, that if this forum had voted on the most despised members of Free Republic, that the likely outcome of that contest would have been: 1) Peach, 2) Nopardons, and 3) Howlin.

Those women were roundly despised here. And while I had a certain emotional attachment to Howlin (she had intelligence, wit, honor, and a certain trustworthiness to maintain confidences), I can see why she would have made the "most despised" list.
15,369 posted on 04/29/2007 5:41:21 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: JCEccles

“It’s a great place!
All its denizens are united by their love of Rudy. They have passion for a man, not for this country.”

That’s just NOT TRUE.

As I’ve posted numerous times, my views on abortion, gun control and gay marriage couldn’t BE more opposed to Rudy’s. If we could come up with a conservative candidate who’s actually electable in lieu of him, I’m all for it.

Where I part ways with most of the people here is that, given the choice between Rudy and Hillary, I’d vote for Rudy in a heartbeat - because there ARE some things about the guy that I like, whereas having Hillary in office would be a complete disaster.

Nor, with this viewpoint, have I ever felt less than welcome at that other board.


15,370 posted on 04/29/2007 5:41:40 PM PDT by Pravious
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To: BykrBayb
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
15,371 posted on 04/29/2007 5:41:40 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Man needs to reach higher and farther to accomplish the impossible.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Thank you—I’ve noticed a major dropoff in pings, and I was on a boatload of pinglists. I could never keep up.

I think a lot of people have just stopped posting here.


15,372 posted on 04/29/2007 5:41:41 PM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: Nick Danger
Thank you very much.

it used to be that we had four full years in which to forget all about Dixville Notch, but they keep squeezing it.

Yes. It seems to be once continuous election cycle now. All trying to gain oneupmanship on that little village.

I'll see you around the primaries. Take care.

Maybe there'll be peace on FR then.

15,373 posted on 04/29/2007 5:41:42 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Dog Gone
Rudy is the GOP frontrunner, and I'd like to know why. Sure, I know the general reasons about "America's Mayor", blah blah blah, but I don't see the point of utterly dismissing him here and chilling the debate. For Pete's sake, it's not an emergency. Nobody is even voting this year.

DG, with all due respect, you are being disingenious here.

When freepers started flocking to Duncan Hunter, you said that, given the front-loaded primary schedule, that someone had to be a contender sooner rather than later.

Now you're saying that no one is even voting this year.

You can't have it both ways.

15,374 posted on 04/29/2007 5:41:58 PM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Your obsession with associations has a Stalinist flavor. Back off and stop being so communist.

Watch your step, I'll conjure up the spirit of Leon Trotsky and send him over to your place with an order of borscht.
15,375 posted on 04/29/2007 5:42:07 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: DGray

Religious freedom is not something we should conserve?


15,376 posted on 04/29/2007 5:42:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: BykrBayb
It's an anti-freeper site, started by MadIvan...

I looked at the mission statement of WA. Nowhere do I see that it's a anti-Freeper site.

Why do you say that it is?

15,377 posted on 04/29/2007 5:42:33 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: SandyInSeattle
Take the Rudy threads and passionate Rudy supporters out of Wideawakes and the entire site would collapse within three days.

Wideawakes is first and foremost a Rudy rally. Everything else is secondary.

15,378 posted on 04/29/2007 5:43:27 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: mkjessup

I’ll take and order of borscht over an ice pick any day.


15,379 posted on 04/29/2007 5:43:39 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: BykrBayb
Btw, WA was started March 5. This thread, which is only about a week old, was not the cause of WA.

If WA was started before this thread, then why would you call it an anti-Freeper site?

15,380 posted on 04/29/2007 5:44:18 PM PDT by FreeReign
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