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Ebonics suggested for district
San Bernardino County Sun ^ | 17 July 2005 | Irma Lemus

Posted on 07/18/2005 10:25:14 AM PDT by 45Auto

Incorporating Ebonics into a new school policy that targets black students, the lowest-achieving group in the San Bernardino City Unified School District, may provide students a more well-rounded curriculum, said a local sociologist.

The goal of the district's policy is to improve black students' academic performance by keeping them interested in school. Compared with other racial groups in the district, black students go to college the least and have the most dropouts and suspensions.

Blacks make up the second largest racial group in the district, trailing Latinos.

A pilot of the policy, known as the Students Accumulating New Knowledge Optimizing Future Accomplishment Initiative, has been implemented at two city schools.

Mary Texeira, a sociology professor at Cal State San Bernardino, commended the San Bernardino Board of Education for approving the policy in June.

Texeira suggested that including Ebonics in the program would be beneficial for students. Ebonics, a dialect of American English that is spoken by many blacks throughout the country, was recognized as a separate language in 1996 by the Oakland school board.

"Ebonics is a different language, it's not slang as many believe,' Texeira said. "For many of these students Ebonics is their language, and it should be considered a foreign language. These students should be taught like other students who speak a foreign language.'

Texeira said research has shown that students learn better when they fully comprehend the language they are being taught in.

"There are African Americans who do not agree with me. They say that (black students) are lazy and that they need to learn to talk,' Texeira said.

Len Cooper, who is coordinating the pilot program at the two city schools, said San Bernardino district officials do not plan to incorporate Ebonics into the program.

"Because Ebonics can have a negative stigma, we're not focusing on that,' Cooper said. "We are affirming and recognizing Ebonics through supplemental reading books (for students).'

Beginning in the 2005-06 school year, teachers will receive training on black culture and customs. District curriculum will now include information on the historical, cultural and social impact of blacks in society. Although the program is aimed at black students, other students can choose to participate.

The pilot program at Rio Vista Elementary and King Middle schools focuses on second-, fourth- and seventh-grade classes. District officials hope to train teachers from other schools using the program as a model.

Board member Danny Tillman, who pushed for the policy, said that full implementation of the program at all schools may take years, but the pilot program is a beginning.

"At every step we will see positive results,' Tillman said.

Tillman hoped the new policy would increase the number of black students going to college and participating in advanced courses.

Teresa Parra, board vice president, said she worried the new program would have an adverse effect.

"I'm afraid that now that we have this the Hispanic community, our largest population, will say, 'We want something for us.' Next we'll have the Asian community and the Jewish community (asking for their own programs). When will it end?'

Parra said the district should focus on helping all students who are at risk.

"I've always thought that we should provide students support based on their needs and not on their race,' Parra said.

Tillman disagreed with Parra, saying programs that help Latinos already exist in the district. He cited the district's English- as-a-second-language program.

Texeira urged people not be quick to judge the new program as socially exclusive. She said people need to be open to the program.

"Everybody has prejudices, but we must all learn to control that behavior,' Texeira said. She said a child's self confidence is tied to his or her cultural identity.

She compared the low performance of black students to starvation. "How can you be angry when you feed a family of starving children?'

Ratibu Jacocks, a member of the Westside Action Group, a coalition of black activists, said they are working with the district to ensure the policy is implemented appropriately.

"This isn't a feel-good policy. This is the real thing,' Jacocks said.

Jacocks said he didn't believe the new policy would create animosity. He said he welcomed the idea of other ethnic groups pushing for their own programs.

"When you are doing what's right, others will follow,' Jacocks said. "We have led the way before the civil-rights movement opened the door for women's rights and other movements.'


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To: 45Auto
If it will will little Tyrone-Darnel or LaQuisha-Shanequa do better competing with Jesus and Maria at the curb-side labor shape up in the morning, I'm for it.

Of course, imagine how much help an Ebonics education will be in supporting suits for racial discrimination. "They wouldn't me because Ebonics is my primary, native language," and since, "most Ebonics users are black, they wouldn't hire me because I am black!" Pay up!!

201 posted on 07/18/2005 11:23:06 AM PDT by Tacis ("Democrats - The Party of Traitors, Treachery and Treason!")
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To: 45Auto
Students Accumulating New Knowledge Optimizing Future Accomplishment Initiative

Outstanding! But how do you say that in Ebonics?

202 posted on 07/18/2005 11:23:44 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Onyxx

for later


203 posted on 07/18/2005 11:23:55 AM PDT by Unknown Freeper (Doing my part...)
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To: johnb838
whoa....just before that the Lama spoke ebonics...

I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one---big hitter, the Lama---long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga.

Hey....I've got a new tagline because of this
204 posted on 07/18/2005 11:27:10 AM PDT by stylin19a (In golf I'm known as "Lama Long")
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To: livius
Texeira suggested that including Ebonics in the program would be beneficial for students. Ebonics, a dialect of American English that is spoken by many blacks throughout the country, was recognized as a separate language in 1996 by the Oakland school board.

This is funny, the Oakland school board, (not any great authority) passed this resolution as an attempt to get foreign language pay for their black teachers. (As the spanish speaking teachers did until the state passed an "English first" law doing away with the bilingual program in California). BTW, the new program is doing well and former spanish speakers move into regular english classrooms after one year. A proper approach might be to take these ebonics speaking kids and give them nothing but intense English for a year. Might do the trick.

205 posted on 07/18/2005 11:27:16 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Physicist
I think all replies to this thread should be run through the ebonics translator before they are posted.

It's only right in case some interested parties are reading and need to understand what we are saying. Biyatch.

206 posted on 07/18/2005 11:27:17 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: 45Auto

English immersion is the best thing for ebonics speakers as it is for any students who do not speak English.


207 posted on 07/18/2005 11:30:42 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: 45Auto
"We have led the way before the civil-rights movement opened the door for women's rights and other movements.'

The only movement she has had any success with is the bowel movement. And the result of Ebonics will be the same.

208 posted on 07/18/2005 11:31:05 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: 45Auto

I'd like to know the ebonics word for, algebra, verb, noun, calculus, infinitive, etc.
\sarc


210 posted on 07/18/2005 11:31:49 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Physicist

I think this school was highlighted at the end of zoolander...


211 posted on 07/18/2005 11:32:21 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (We know the right things to do, why don't we just do them?)
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To: William Creel

If anything is condescending it the teaching of Ebonics to black folks. You're telling them they're too stupid to learn standard English. Are we going to teach Spanglish to Latino students? I am sure Chinese American parents will love their kids learning Chinglish or maybe Hop Singlish (that might even be a new one the egg heads in academia never thought of---hip hop slang and Chinee mixed)---let me shut up before I get too wound up.


212 posted on 07/18/2005 11:33:19 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (I got rejected from "Mullah Omar's Eye for the Infidel Guy")
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To: rock58seg

Eryvay rutay.


213 posted on 07/18/2005 11:33:38 AM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: 45Auto

Translation: their achievement is not low enough yet.
We need Ebonics to take it to historic new lows -- about the brains of a chicken.


214 posted on 07/18/2005 11:35:18 AM PDT by henderson field
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To: Tacis
Ebonic astronaut.


215 posted on 07/18/2005 11:38:20 AM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: peacebaby

It's good that he lives in seattle then and not here otherwise he might be wearing his ass for a hat.


216 posted on 07/18/2005 11:39:51 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: 45Auto
Incorporating Ebonics into a new school policy that targets black students, the lowest-achieving group in the San Bernardino City Unified School District, may provide students a more well-rounded curriculum, said a local sociologist.

The goal of the district's policy is to improve black students' academic performance by keeping them interested in school. Compared with other racial groups in the district, black students go to college the least and have the most dropouts and suspensions.

This is what happens when you spent too much time on education doing nothing but going to classes, rather than getting a "real job." Eventually, anything seems like a "good idea."

Let me see if I have this straight... Using your term, these "morons" want to introduce bad grammer and speech patterns that are incomprehensible to most people who are aspiring to become more than gang-bangers and crack whores!

You're absolutely right. This sort of nonsense (lowering standards again and again) pretty much guarantees that the next few generations of black students will keep thses moron sociologists employed and making stupid suggestions for years to come.

Mark

217 posted on 07/18/2005 11:40:46 AM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: 45Auto

They'll still be expected to speak ENGLISH when they go out to find a job in the workplace. How will this help any of them?


218 posted on 07/18/2005 11:42:06 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: KC_for_Freedom
A proper approach might be to take these ebonics speaking kids and give them nothing but intense English for a year.

Exactly. BTW, most of the Spanish-language component of the "bilingual" teachers spoke "Grandmother Spanish," that is, an uneducated Spanglish they had picked up at home as kids. Many of them could not even pass tests in formal Spanish.

219 posted on 07/18/2005 11:42:39 AM PDT by livius
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To: 45Auto

The dumbing down of America takes aim at the ghetto. These kids will have no skills that will enable them to get a good job. Stupid people are easier to control, especially when they don't know the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.


220 posted on 07/18/2005 11:42:44 AM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: Phantom Lord

ROFLMAO!!!


221 posted on 07/18/2005 11:45:24 AM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: 45Auto

Tillman hoped the new policy would increase the number of black students going to college and participating in advanced courses.
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What college professors teach in ebonics?


222 posted on 07/18/2005 11:46:32 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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To: 45Auto
In other news, San Bernardino is cancelling the prep football season and replacing them with Sideshows, another great Oaktown invention:


223 posted on 07/18/2005 11:46:37 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: NJ_gent

"...Most will end up dead or in jail at a very early age, which is fine for liberals..."

...But not only so they can lay a guilt trip on us. This is part of the Business Development Plan of the Statists. When the Ebonics people go into crime, the liberals get to hire more police. When they go on welfare, they get to hire more case workers. And the bonus is these people are so stupid that don't don't realize what is being done to them and they don't complain - not about that, anyway.


224 posted on 07/18/2005 11:48:22 AM PDT by henderson field
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To: livius
Many of them could not even pass tests in formal Spanish.

True, and the Basic Teacher Testing requirement has had many teachers fail year after year. Usually for inadequate English skills, but sometimes inadequate math skills as well.

225 posted on 07/18/2005 11:50:35 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: 45Auto


"Wha-ba a-ba gray-ba eye-ba dee-ba!"
226 posted on 07/18/2005 11:51:24 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: 45Auto

Black students do not need this crap to learn and achieve. They need the same thing other students do, parents who emphasize the importance of school, administrators who will not tolerate discipline problems, and good teachers who care about the students and what they do. Don't tell me black students can't achieve just because their parents are poor either, I've seen it myself in the public school I teach in.


227 posted on 07/18/2005 11:51:33 AM PDT by MissEdie
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To: All
I looked up the definition of the word JOB on www.urbandictionary.com ... It explains why so many youngsters are not working....

job
Something that's impossible to find because everyone wants to only hire experienced people even though you can't get experience if no one will hire you, and they're too damned lazy to train you.
Finding a job is such a pain.


See its the company's fault because they are too lazy to train you.... It will only get worse if these kids learn Ebonics, then the companies will really get lazy... Who wants to pay to teach their employees how to speak English???
228 posted on 07/18/2005 11:54:16 AM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU (All Your <insert object here> belong to us)
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To: 45Auto; Akira; wayne_shrugged; Kira-USA
Beginning in the 2005-06 school year, teachers will receive training on black culture and customs... The pilot program at Rio Vista Elementary and King Middle schools focuses on second-, fourth- and seventh-grade classes.

OMG, I was a teacher at Rio Vista for 6 years!!! They think that will help the students there?! How about discipline in the schools and caring parents at home!

Leave it to some idiot Cal. State leftist morons to come up with more screwed up ideas...unbelievable!

229 posted on 07/18/2005 11:54:53 AM PDT by LibertyThug ("Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -Twain)
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To: Larry Lucido
SANKOFAI?? Geez, they could have at least come up with a real acronym.

Well, they almost did. Read it backwards:

SSA-NKOF-A-I

230 posted on 07/18/2005 11:58:07 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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To: Living Free in NH

LOL!


231 posted on 07/18/2005 11:59:36 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: MadIvan

Do you'll have special class for Cockneys?


232 posted on 07/18/2005 12:00:46 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: CollegeRepublicanNU

How about this one:

responsibility
A character trait that embarrasses democrats and liberals, who use their activist judges to pass laws so minorities and bums will not be responsible for their actions.
The liberals say that society has to take responsibility for wiping the bum's nose, because he is not responsible for himself. This misses the point that he is a bum BECAUSE he refused to take responsibility.


233 posted on 07/18/2005 12:01:23 PM PDT by sfimom ('Mommy why did they kill her cause she couldn't talk?' (my daughter age8))
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To: rattrap

She was living in Atlanta at the time. Couldn't understand our lack of tolerance for folks with bad grammar and indecipherable speech.


234 posted on 07/18/2005 12:01:43 PM PDT by peacebaby (A polite southern woman will never say to your face what she can say behind your back.)
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To: henderson field

Dis' threed es da sheezy fo' rezze.
(I have no Idea what that means either)


235 posted on 07/18/2005 12:01:55 PM PDT by John Will
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To: CollegeRepublicanNU
I looked up the definition of the word JOB on www.urbandictionary.com ... It explains why so many youngsters are not working....

After reading your post I went and looked up "work." After this I looked up "employer."

Get this...

Employer is UNDEFINED! The word is not in urbandictionary.com!

I then looked up Entrepreneur. There is one definition. "the opposite of a contractor."

236 posted on 07/18/2005 12:03:33 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: 45Auto

I'd love to see the explanation as to how incorporating eubonics is supposed to help black students get into and succeed in college OR the workplace. I'm sure there won't be one forthcoming.


237 posted on 07/18/2005 12:03:56 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: NJ_gent
"You've just solved your own complaint. :-)"

Its a sad truth isn't it?

I have a friend who votes Republican, but she sometimes plays devils advocate with herself (I think it's subconcious).

So last election year I put the contrast to her in a way that just hit her right between the eyes. To be fair, she's not a political junkie, so she only has a rudimentary sense of whats going on. But she has a nephew in the military, so I told her she was lucky her nephew isn't from Pennsylvania, because Rendell wasn't going to extend the date for military votes to get back from overseas and be counted, even after they were sent out late.

She took the bait and said that was wrong. I said well, you could call his office, but you can't reach him today, because he's at a Pennsylvania prison to make sure all the prisoners that haven't been convicted yet get to vote.

That day I turned a wobbly Republican into an unshakeable Republican. :)

238 posted on 07/18/2005 12:07:34 PM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: cvq3842

"The old Amos and Andy show got pulled off of television because of the stereotyped language, etc. of American blacks."

So Did Uncle Remus fables.....


239 posted on 07/18/2005 12:07:39 PM PDT by NRA1995 (West Virginia needs neurosurgeons like San Francisco needs gynecologists)
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To: Phantom Lord
lol I looked up Entrepreneur also... There is some funny stuff on that website... You can type anything in and get some weird answer... Not a conservative friendly site though... However I like a challenge.. I would not mind posting a few words of my own on there...

I'm bigger then that though...
240 posted on 07/18/2005 12:08:03 PM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU (All Your <insert object here> belong to us)
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To: sfimom

Not bad.


242 posted on 07/18/2005 12:09:04 PM PDT by CollegeRepublicanNU (All Your <insert object here> belong to us)
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To: martin_fierro

Where to do you find that stuff? Fierro - you are about the most resource person on the web! LOL!


243 posted on 07/18/2005 12:11:28 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: MissEdie; mhking

Black students do not need this crap to learn and achieve. They need the same thing other students do, parents who emphasize the importance of school, administrators who will not tolerate discipline problems, and good teachers who care about the students and what they do. Don't tell me black students can't achieve just because their parents are poor either, I've seen it myself in the public school I teach in.
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Also, keep in mind that if they are too poor to move, the parents of these children don't have a choice where their kids go to school. How many of them would actually choose to send their kid to a school that teaches ebonics?

Thats why Charter Schools legislation is so important to be enacted and, IMO, should be the number 1 priority of african american political leaders:
http://www.neoperspectives.com/charterschoolsexplained.htm

I'd bet my last nickel that those proposing this ebonics stuff don't support charter legislation.


244 posted on 07/18/2005 12:16:42 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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To: johnb838
You hear a lot of talk about making English the official language of the U.S. Well, we all know that's not going to happen. But I have a question. How long do you think it's going to be before it is a requirement to speak Spanish?

I don't know, but take a look at the top stories on the Republican National Committee's official website's News page:

July 18, 2005 :
RNC Alcanza Otro Récord de Recaudación de Fondos en un Año en que No Hay Elecciones Presidenciales

July 18, 2005 :
RNC Sets Another Fundraising Record For A Non-Presidential Election Year

July 14, 2005 :
Statement By RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman On The Passing Of Arthur A. Fletcher

July 14, 2005 :
Declaraciones por el Presidente del RNC Ken Mehlman sobre el Fallecimiento de Arthur A. Fletcher

I checked the DNC's site, and they go whole hog: they have a complete, separate Spanish version of their website (as far as I can see).

245 posted on 07/18/2005 12:18:41 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: 45Auto
Yeah, get those under-achieving kids through school and into the work force where they can really fail!

Dumb Ba$tard$!

246 posted on 07/18/2005 12:20:31 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (BOHICA!)
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To: LibertyThug
You sound more surprised than you should.

This is my favorite line:

"I'm afraid that now that we have this the Hispanic community, our largest population, will say, 'We want something for us.' Next we'll have the Asian community and the Jewish community (asking for their own programs). When will it end?'

Have I missed the noisy lobby of Jewish people demanding that Yiddish be taught in elementary schools?

I also find that the Asian community assimilates quite nicely by comparison. Something tells me they won't follow suit here, they're probably smart enough to see the positive correlation b/w assimilation and success in this country. They've done remarkably well without affirmative action handouts...who'da thunk it possible?
247 posted on 07/18/2005 12:22:06 PM PDT by Akira (Experience is a hard teacher, but fools will have no other.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Thanks very much, but naaaaah.


248 posted on 07/18/2005 12:22:51 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: 45Auto
Anyone who pushes this nonsense should be taken by the hand and walked off a cliff. Maybe the fall will knock some sense into them.

A cry in the black education wilderness

249 posted on 07/18/2005 12:23:48 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MissEdie

You are quite right. All students can learn. Perhaps they learn at different rates, but everyone can become a productive citizen - if they are taught by teachers who care AND who understand how people become "educated". That said, not everyone has the ability to become a brain surgeon. The world needs professionals in both blue and white collar jobs. I've worked in both.


250 posted on 07/18/2005 12:25:15 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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