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Earliest European 31,000 Years Old
ABC News/AFP ^ | 5-19-2005 | AFP

Posted on 05/19/2005 2:44:29 PM PDT by blam

Earliest European 31,000 years old

Agençe France-Presse
Thursday, 19 May 2005

Radiocarbon dating of human remains found in the Czech Republic has confirmed they come from the oldest European found so far (Image: iStockphoto)

Fossilised human bones found in the Czech Republic have been dated back to some 31,000 years, which scientists say confirms them as the oldest known examples of Homo sapiens found in Europe.

Austrian and US scientists publish their carbon-dating results in today's issue of the journal Nature.

An upper jaw, teeth and the skull of a female were found in a cave in Moravia in the 19th century, but scientists have debated how old they are.

University of Vienna researcher Dr Eva Wild and colleagues used a technique called accelerator mass spectrometry to analyse carbon 14 isotopes in the dental remains.

These isotopes decay at a known rate, allowing scientists to calculate the age of a dead organism.

Wild's team suggests the teeth are about 31,000 radiocarbon years old, a yardstick that can be somewhat different from calendar years.

Radiocarbon years and calendar years tend to diverge and converge at different periods in prehistory, consistent with varying amounts of carbon 14 in the atmosphere.

The discrepancy is significant during this period in prehistory, and calibrating radiocarbon and calendar years is a matter of ongoing research.

How does this relate to Neanderthals?

The fossil's age, as calculated in this latest research, concurs with artefacts from other sites in Europe that have been carbon-dated to the same era.

The finding is important, because it could help solve the mystery of what happened to the Neanderthals, a species of hominid that predominated in Europe before anatomically modern man showed up.

One school of thought suggests the Neanderthals were wiped out by the smarter H. sapiens or lost the battle for food and habitat, then simply faded away.

But another theory suggests the two hominid species lived side by side for many thousands of years and may have intermingled, which implies there could be Neanderthal genes in the human gene pool today.


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KEYWORDS: 31000; archaeology; earliest; europeans; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; old; years
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To: NW Mike
"Today, we call them LIBERALS."

Dang! Why didn't I think of that? Sloping forehead, vacant stare, hand out, salivating heavily when a free meal is presented. How could I have missed that?

21 posted on 05/19/2005 4:11:05 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: blam

The French are the offspring of the inter-mingling between Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens, so they're not 100% human.


22 posted on 05/19/2005 5:10:48 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: blam

The fossil in Spain from 24,000 is an early modern human child with some Neanderthal characteristics. The latest Neanderthal fossil remains that I'm aware of are the 28,000 year old specimans from Vindija, Croatia.


23 posted on 05/19/2005 5:24:17 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: citizencon

Actually, some sceintists have theorized that the gene for red hair is inherited from the Neanderthals. I reckon that would make the Irish the Neanderthals.


24 posted on 05/19/2005 5:26:25 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: DumpsterDiver
"That was interesting and I learned something new, to boot."

Tree-rings, which we have a record of for over 10,000 years now, is helping with these calibrations.

25 posted on 05/19/2005 5:28:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: davisfh
Sloping forehead, vacant stare, hand out, salivating heavily when a free meal is presented.

Exhibit A:

Newsweek FReep

26 posted on 05/19/2005 5:29:56 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Godebert

Neanderthal - Human Hybrid

27 posted on 05/19/2005 5:32:55 PM PDT by blam
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To: Godebert
"Actually, some sceintists have theorized that the gene for red hair is inherited from the Neanderthals. I reckon that would make the Irish the Neanderthals."

As a redhead, I've done some research and I am told that red hair was introduced to Ireland by Viking raiders

28 posted on 05/19/2005 5:33:11 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: muir_redwoods; Godebert
Redheads 'Are Neanderthals'
29 posted on 05/19/2005 5:37:44 PM PDT by blam
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To: Godebert
Actually, some sceintists have theorized that the gene for red hair is inherited from the Neanderthals. I reckon that would make the Irish the Neanderthals.

Red hair is not just a European phenomenom. Australian Aboriginals and Melanasians also have a percentage of red haired kinsmen.

30 posted on 05/19/2005 5:43:59 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Ya.....but do they have fair skin and freckles? Not the same gene as the Euro red haired beasts.


31 posted on 05/19/2005 5:47:49 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: blam

I think that picture resembles Mary Kate and Ashley Olson (Olsen ?)


32 posted on 05/19/2005 5:50:31 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver

33 posted on 05/19/2005 5:53:07 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Alas Babylon!
"Australian Aboriginals and Melanasians also have a percentage of red haired kinsmen."

Yup. The Melanasians also have Cain and Abel type myths about tall, light-skinned, red-headed people.

34 posted on 05/19/2005 6:02:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

read later


35 posted on 05/19/2005 6:08:15 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: blam

Of course, all that that article says is that a gene associated with red hair is quite old; there is nothing to associate it with the Neanderthals.


36 posted on 05/19/2005 6:20:49 PM PDT by Bohemund
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To: Godebert
Definitely distant cousins.



37 posted on 05/19/2005 6:37:37 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Ken H

Holy crap! That's my neighbor!


38 posted on 05/19/2005 8:06:02 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: blam

Sissy Spacek?


39 posted on 05/19/2005 9:31:18 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: davisfh
Holy crap! That's my neighbor!

Better your neighbor than your cousin!

40 posted on 05/19/2005 9:34:41 PM PDT by Ken H
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