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Aircraft litter seafloor off S. Oahu
Honolulu Advertiser ^ | 12-15-04 | Jan Tenbruggencate

Posted on 12/16/2004 5:30:57 PM PST by Chuckster

Aircraft litter seafloor off S. O'ahu Tenbruggencate Jan Staff Advertiser Final

Post-WWI biplanes, flying boats among last week's finds BY JAN TENBRUGGENCATE, Advertiser Science Writer

An undersea aircraft museum lies on the ocean floor off South O'ahu, and it includes representatives of virtually the entire era of the flying boats - from early post-World War I biplanes to World War II PBY Catalinas and a postwar behemoth that sank in 1950, the Martin Marshall Mars.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration yesterday announced a series of discoveries made last week and said agencies are mapping the seafloor to document the area's collection of ships, planes and other maritime archaeological finds.

"Flying boats had a special significance for Hawai'i and the Pacific islands. They were the only way to get between the islands by air before the development of airports," said marine archaeologist Hans Van Tilburg, of the NOAA National Marine Sanctuary program. "The first interisland air transportation in Hawaiçi was in flying boats."

The seafloor region off Pearl Harbor may be better known for its ships, like the Japanese miniature submarine that was sunk an hour before the Dec. 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor. The sub's wreckage was found in 2002.

But there's lots more on a bottom of silt and rock in water 1,000 feet deep and extending several miles from the entrance to Pearl Harbor. The deep water has currents but not a lot of turbulence, and many of the aircraft are in remarkable shape, Van Tilburg said.

Some planes have been wrecked. Some have been taken out and dumped, including at least six former PD-1 Navy bi-plane flying boats. The giant Marshall Mars flying boat sank April 5, 1950, after it landed safely with an engine fire and offloaded its crew before the plane exploded.

Between them, they represent the earliest years of flying boats, and what some might term the pinnacle of the genre.

The twin-wing PD-1 designs date to the 1920s. Van Tilburg said a squadron of them flew as patrol craft out of Ford Island in Pearl Harbor. He has found no records of their disposal, but the fact that their fuselages are complete and that wheels are attached suggest they did not fly to their watery ends and were probably dumped, he said.

PBY Catalinas, which served as Navy patrol, rescue and bombing workhorses during World War II, have also been spotted on the bottom off Pearl Harbor.

During the war, the government was looking for ways to get lots of soldiers and gear long distances to places without airports. Size mattered, and new designs dwarfed the little patrol planes.

The Marshall Mars was one of a half-dozen huge flying boats built by the Martin aircraft firm as cargo and personnel carriers after World War II. It was the same era when Howard Hughes was building his famed Spruce Goose. The Mars planes had 200-foot wingspans - roughly the same as that of a 747.

They were named for the Pacific island groups they served: the Marshalls, Carolines, Marianas, Philippines and Hawai'i. Two Hawai'i Mars planes were built. The second is still flying, hauling water to forest fires in the Pacific Northwest.

George Hutton, of Chipley, Fla., who worked on the planes as a radioman in the mid-1940s, said they were comfortable and roomy.

"It was a big, big, monstrous plane, but it was a good plane. You felt very safe in it. There were several decks and you could go up and down circular stairways," Hutton said.

He said he flew one long mission across the Pacific on the Marshall Mars before its fatal flight, in which it landed in the ocean off Honolulu with its No. 3 engine afire. The crew got off in rubber boats, but the fire spread, and the plane exploded, in full view of folks from Waikïkï to Pearl Harbor, Van Tilburg said. The plane sank and was lost until a few pieces were located in an undersea survey in August this year. The main wreckage was found in dives on Thursday and Friday.

The history of the region off Pearl Harbor is being prized from the ocean floor by a collaboration of NOAA's National Marine Sanctuary Program, the National Park Service and the University of Hawai'i's Hawai'i Undersea Research Laboratory (HURL), which operates the twin deep-diving submersibles Pisces IV and V.

Reach Jan TenBruggencate at jant@honoluluadvertiser.com or (808) 245-3074.

Photo caption:

A University of Hawaii deep-submersible vehicle, right, approaches the hulk of an old Navy PD-1 flying boat in waters off Pearl Harbor, where a virtual undersea aircraft museum has been found.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: aircraft; archaeology; flying; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; militaryhistory; underseaarchaeology
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Since I fly in and out of HNL and around the islands I found this interesting.
1 posted on 12/16/2004 5:30:57 PM PST by Chuckster
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To: Chuckster

Any Pictures or links to pictures?

Sounds facinating.

I wonder if anyone will try to salvage one of 'em?


2 posted on 12/16/2004 5:37:45 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (Vigilance!)
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To: Uncle Jaque

A job for Dirk Pitt...and Dirk Pitt II


3 posted on 12/16/2004 5:42:52 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Uncle Jaque

There was a photo with the printed article but not on the web site.


4 posted on 12/16/2004 5:52:26 PM PST by Chuckster (I'm celebrating the birth of Christ. Not some generic 'Happy holiday'. MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: Chuckster
At 1000 ft, the water should be quite cold and corrosion at a minimum. Interesting specimines should be brought to the surface.
5 posted on 12/16/2004 5:52:55 PM PST by fso301
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To: Chuckster

I also find it interesting,but I'm not surprised.

The ocean was used as a giant trash bin for years.


6 posted on 12/16/2004 5:56:03 PM PST by Mears
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"A job for Dirk Pitt...and Dirk Pitt II "

Wow! I thought that a second before I saw your post.
Just finished re-reading 'Atlantis Found'
7 posted on 12/16/2004 6:33:55 PM PST by 45semi (Man has only those rights he can defend...)
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To: 45semi
Sorry to be such a party pooper, but I read "Valhalla Rising" and it was absolutely one of the worst books I ever read. The rest of them have GOT to be better than that.
8 posted on 12/16/2004 6:36:27 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: Chuckster

The feds keep putting laws on the books that prevent people from salvaging abandoned military aircraft. I don't know the current status of the laws, but the air museum people I know are mad.


9 posted on 12/16/2004 8:33:42 PM PST by narby
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG ping


10 posted on 12/16/2004 8:50:46 PM PST by solitas (Mystic G4, 10.3.6; until I do the 10.3.7 updater tonight)
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Thanks solitas. List members, a modern history ping, related to GGG because, as we all know, unless it's about something Marxist, all history is ancient history. ;')
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11 posted on 12/17/2004 11:18:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Aeronaut

ping


12 posted on 12/17/2004 11:44:05 AM PST by Chuckster (I'm celebrating the birth of Christ. Not some generic 'Happy holiday'. MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: Uncle Jaque; Chuckster
Related thread, with link to photos:

Seaplane wreckage found (US Navy Mars)

13 posted on 12/17/2004 11:45:51 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Uncle Jaque

I hope theres something worth salvaging. I'd love to see one of those PD-1s.


15 posted on 12/17/2004 12:04:26 PM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: Chuckster
Are you this guy?

He flys around the islands alot, too.

16 posted on 12/17/2004 12:10:43 PM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: skeeter

No, not me.


17 posted on 12/17/2004 1:05:37 PM PST by Chuckster (I'm celebrating the birth of Christ. Not some generic 'Happy holiday'. MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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18 posted on 12/17/2004 1:25:38 PM PST by Aeronaut (May all the feckless become fecked.)
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To: Chuckster
Littering?


19 posted on 12/17/2004 1:34:57 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Boycott Boycotts Warrior. If you aint buying call me!)
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To: Uncle Jaque

20 posted on 12/17/2004 1:35:45 PM PST by snopercod (Bigger government means clinton won. Less freedom means Osama won. Get it?)
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