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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 11-13
Various | November 10, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/10/2003 8:35:02 PM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 7 - November 11-13)

Link back to thread 6 - (Nov.8-10)
Link back to thread 5 - (Nov. 5-7)
Link back to thread 4 - (Nov. 3-4)
Link back to thread 3 (Nov. 1-2)
Link back to thread 2 - (Oct. 30-31)
Link back to thread 1 - (Oct. 29)


Contained in Thread 6:

*Correction on thread 6. In the heading where it says, "contained in thread 4," it should read, "contained in thread 5."

Contact information for Judge Greer, probate documents listed for Terry and Michael Schiavo, article from April, 2001 when Terri's feeding tube was ordered by Judge Quesada to be put back in pending deposition of Cindy Shook Brashers, link to clip of Steve Schiavo calling in to Glenn Beck's program, link to information on Schiavo/Centonze property value, link to transcript of On the Record interview with Ken Connor, link to American Patriot Friends Network, link to website, article about the testimony of Trudy Capone, link to post about co-sponsor of Terri's Bill in the House, Frank Attkisson giving legal reasons for the need for intervention on Terri's behalf, link to Hospice Patients Alliance website, statement that 9 neurologists have said that Terri is NOT in a PVS, Washington, information via email/fax, summary of legal expenses that Schiavo paid out of the money awarded to him for Terri’s care and rehabilitation, also see chart here for summary of legal expenses, This Round to Terri, But Fight Not Over article in Catholic Standard & Times (10/23/2003), another article, Schindlers Wonder What Happened the Night Terri Collapsed form Catholic Standard and Times:, and a serious question that is raised and needs to be researched.

Also in thread 6 (breaking it down into 2 paragraphs due to the length): information on holdings of Jodi Centonze, was Terri beaten(?), liability claims against Terri’s doctors, chronology of cases against Michael Schiavo, Schiavo v. Bush, who’s paying hospice(?), some quotes from George Felos’ book here and here, Jodi Centonze insurance connections, link to Village Voice article: Lying about Terri Schiavo, federal prohibition of use of funds for assisted suicide and euthanasia, the model husband according to George Felos (also see addition here), findings of Florida medical board on Dr. Hammersfahr and some facts about Judge Greer regarding this case.


Click on pic for Terri's website

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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To: Mo1

You're a great example for everyone, Mo.
21 posted on 11/10/2003 9:32:58 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: T'wit
The power of dedicated and motivated people, coupled with the incredible power of the net, is indeed awesome, and vastly underestimated by most, still.
22 posted on 11/10/2003 9:34:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: windchime
I'll donate an additional $50.00 to Bush/Cheney '04 if you'll stuff a dirty sock in Sen. Harry Reid's mouth? :)

ROFL...hey, I'm going to need every scrap of restraint I can dredge up being around up there. Don't tempt me! ;-)

23 posted on 11/10/2003 9:36:15 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: FL_engineer; sweetliberty
Here's what I don't understand about this -- and didn't understand when you first posted it it what, a week, 10 days ago?

The first few sentences make it sound like it 's a "good Michael" story -- how devoted he is, spends lots of time at nursing home, Terri is glad to hear his voice (so much for the out-of-it VEGETABLE theory, huh?!).

But then he's complaining -- at the same time he's doing this 'devoted husband' schtick. It just doesn't make sense. It would perhaps be helpful to add all these stories to the known timeline at terrisfight, see what was happening at this time -- 3 yrs after, 93, after lawsuit, Terri starting to be a problem, why is Michael still visiting her so much then?

Wait a minute, I need to post this on that other thread. . .girlfriend could not hardly be making this up: "as soon as he got near the door, her head was already looking at the door, but that she would recognize his voice... ...and she would start crying when he got ready to leave."
24 posted on 11/10/2003 9:37:48 PM PST by cyn (
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To: windchime
> I'll donate an additional $50.00 to Bush/Cheney '04 if you'll stuff a dirty sock in Sen. Harry Reid's mouth? :)

I believe you have invented the best new fundraising technique in years!


25 posted on 11/10/2003 9:43:15 PM PST by T'wit
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To: EternalVigilance
...The Democrat's unprecedented filibuster of any judicial nominee that is pro-life or a Christian...


This is another thing that will backfire on the DemoRATS just like their anti-war, anti-tax cut and anti-life stances. I hope they never learn. Tough to imagine them being so self-destructive, but as the old saying goes, never get in the way of the enemy when he's destroying himself. Go Dems Go (away).
26 posted on 11/10/2003 9:49:32 PM PST by gooleyman
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To: All
can someone please give out the zip code of the hospice Terri ia at?? ty in advance
27 posted on 11/10/2003 9:50:27 PM PST by fiesti
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To: cyn
> girlfriend could not hardly be making this up: "as soon as he got near the door, her head was already looking at the door, but that she would recognize his voice... ...and she would start crying when he got ready to leave."

Years and years of neglect and sensory deprivation have taken a toll on Terri. It's ironic that trolls now point to her limited responsiveness -- to the very damage Michael has done to her -- as if that justifies him finishing her off. He should be the one locked away.

I have boundless hope for Terri, but she must have care, she must have love, she must see the sun. I wish we could all be there to give her that kitten. Michael Schiavo's hold must be broken and his appalling cruelty to her must be ended.

28 posted on 11/10/2003 10:01:36 PM PST by T'wit
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To: sweetliberty
From - CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03

Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...

Teichner: If it weren't for THIS video, the one Terri Schiavo's parents made, and insist PROVES that their brain-damaged daughter is aware, and is trying to communicate...

(Terri's mom asking if Terri is tired today, and Terri smiling and responding)

(A doctor having asked Terri to open her eyes as far as possible, Terri complies by raising her head, opening her eyes fully, and lifting her eyebrows WAY UP! The doctor shouts: GOOD! Good JOB! Good Job young lady!)

Teichner: The fight over removal of her feeding tube, might have remained a tragic ugly family struggle. But the troubling image of Terri's eyes, her open mouth, the fact that she's been this way 13 years, has made her the symbol of a nation's struggle over the right to die.

Teichner: The hospice, in Pinellas Park Florida, where Terri Schiavo is a patient, has become a battlefront in America's political and idealogical culture wars.

(Terri's father is asked "Do you still think there's hope?" He responds calmly "Oh yea". A priest prays at the vigil: "Help us believe that you are aware of our anxieties, and will do what is best for Terri and for us")

Teichner: Camped out front: Right to life advocates, disability activists, and supporters of conservative causes. They stood by with Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, when a state court ordered Terri's feeding tube removed on October 15th.

(Terri's father: "I'm pleading to Governor Bush, [sobbing] as one dad to another... to save Terri)

Teichner: They were jubilent, six days later, when Governor Jeb Bush, backed by state lawmakers, in an unprecidented and possibly unconstitutional move, DID get involved, ordering the feeding tube re-connected.

(Gov Bush: In my prayers, I would hope that our legal system would recognize that the right to life, is as important as the right to terminate life support.)

Teichner: Without Bush's intervention, Terri Schiavo would have died within days. But the story isn't over. It will be up to the Florida Supreme Court to sort out whether the legislature's passage of what's being called "Terri's Law" was legal.

(Senator King: I keep on thinking, what if Terri didn't want this to happen at all? May God have mercy on all of us)

Teichner: The case is about trying to see inside Terri Schiavo's head. About trying to figure out, since SHE had no living will, what SHE would want under the circumstances, to LIVE? or to DIE? And, who has the right to determine that? Her husband? Her parents? the courts? or Governor Jeb Bush and the legislature?

(Larry King: What happend Michael, on February 25th, 1990?

Michael: "I'd say, about 4:30 in the morning, I was, for some reason, getting out of bed, and I heard a 'thud' in the hall. I raced out there, and Terri was laying in the hall.")

[body language note: Michael frequently looked down and to his left throughout those recollections.]

Teichner: Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband and her guardian, on Larry King Live...

(Michael: "I rolled her over, and she was lifeless.")

Teichner: Paramedics rushed her to THIS hospital [Northside Hospital & Heart Institute] They resuscitated her, saved her life, but her brain had been deprived of oxygen for five to ten minutes. Leaving her according to MOST, but not ALL of the doctors brought in to examined her, in a persistent vegetative state, with no HOPE of recovery.

(Attorney Felos: As a result of the lack of oxygen, from the cardiac arrest, Terri's cerebral cortex, or cerebrum, the center of consciousness and thought, began to decay, well it died, and then began to decay and atrophy.)

Teichner: George Felos, is Michael Schiavo's lawyer, and an author. Felos argued the landmark case that established the right of an individual to refuse unwanted medical treatment in Florida.

(Felos: Where her cerebral cortex used to be, is literally a giant black hole that is filled with spinal fluid)

(Doctor#1: Looking at this scan, without the actual patient, this is consistent with someone who could be in a persistent vegetative state, yes. You would expect this person to be exceedingly low-functioning. Not necessarily in a coma or unconscious, but certainly very low-functioning.)

Teichner: Dr Keith Siller is an Assistant Professor of Neurology at New York University Medical School.

(Doctor#1: This is a horrible scan.)

Teichner: We showed him Terri's brain scan because he has no vested interest in the Schiavo case.

(Doctor#1: Now this is what a normal scan should look like. In Terri Schiavo's scan over here, the person has lost the exterior brain, which is the cortex, and that's where all the functions originate from. So if you've lost cortex through atrophy, brain doesn't grow back. It's not going to recover. The problem is you have a gray zone here. That's a person who is not technically brain-DEAD, but in a functional sense, that person is not really brain-ALIVE, either. )

(Doctor#2 [who actually TESTED Terri for 4 hours]: "She is NOT in coma presently. She ABSOLUTELY CAN be rehabilitated. There is NO question about that")

Teichner: Neurologist William Hammesfahr, shown here with Terri's father on FoxNews, is one of the doctors who has given the Schindler family hope.

Teichner: Terri's CONDITION tops the list of things the two sides disagree on, as they LITERALLY fight over her life. Slinging accusations at each other, on national television.

Teichner: The other central issue is whether Terri really DID say she wouldn't want to be kept alive artificially...

(Michael: "We were watching some programs, and she says, I don't want a... I don't want anything artificial like that. I don't want any tubes. Don't let me live like that")

[body language note: Michael started out looking down and to his left. Halfway thru those sentences he finally looked up at LKL.]

Bobby: [with solid eye-contact] "We've said all along, that these wishes were just a complete fabrication"

Teichner: Bobby Schindler is Terri's brother...

Bobby: "They only occurred after there was a substancial amount of money in Terri's trust fund"

Teichner: A Florida court believed Michael Schiavo, that it was Terri's WISH to die. But look what else the court concluded. That MONEY overshadowed the entire case, on both sides.

Teichner: In 1992, Michael Schiavo sued Terri's doctors for malpractice, and won. 300 thousand dollars for himself... 700 thousand dollars for Terri, to be held in a trust fund. THATS when the trouble began.

Bobby: The fact of the matter is, there HASN'T been any rehabilitation for Terri, and thats what my dad was confronting Michael ahh, about

Felos: The Schindler's, after the malpractice money came in umm, demanded money for themselves

Teichner: The money's practically gone now, but the emnity remains...

(lawyer#2: Unfortunately, Terri, poor Terri, did NOT express herself in legal documents that would have avoided all of this)

[lawyer#2 and Teichner then plugged Living Wills for one minute]

Bobby: "To have to watch a loved one slowly STARVE to death, its BEYOND comprehension."

Teichner: Bobby Schindler doesn't consider disconnecting Terri's feeding tube 'letting her die'. He calls it 'Starving her to death - killing her'. In order to visit his sister at the hospice, he has to pass police guards posted outside.

Bobby: I know that she's listening. I know that she's hearing me. I know she's aware. So I try to keep HER spirits up. Terri is my SISTER, and she is our FAMILY, and she is JUST as beautiful to me now as she was before this happened. And I'm willing, and my family is willing to take care of her as long as we have to. You know, Michael has started a new family, he has a fiance...

Teichner: So you just want him to walk away?

Bobby: Yea, just walk away.

Felos: The overriding, and sole motivation of Michael Schiavo, is to carry out his wife's wishes. I can see no other reason why he has subjected himself to this abuse, threat, destruction, of his life... Why would he do it if he didn't truely love her?

Teichner: Its been 13 years since Terri Schiavo collapsed. Perhaps the lesson to be learned from this sad story, is that without putting our wishes down on paper, it could be any ONE of us lying there, being fought over.

[Transcripted for education and discussion purposes only, not guaranteed to be 100% accurate. portions transcribed by TheSarce ]

= = = = = = = = = == = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Recent interviews/excerpts:
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"Hannity and Colmes" - Tuesday 10-14-03 --> (Terri's father) Bob Schindler: "MONEY and FOUL PLAY"

"On the Record with Greta" - Friday 10-24-03 --> Forensic Pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden: "Potassium imbalance UNLIKELY - HEALTHY heart - NECK TRAUMA"

"At Large with Geraldo Rivera" Sunday 10-26-03 --> author Christopher Darden and Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz: "You have eternity to be dead; You only have a limited amount of time to live"

"Hannity and Colmes" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (father) Bob Schindler and (neurologist) Dr. William Hammesfahr: "She absolutely CAN be rehabilitated -clearly NEVER had heart attack -Emergency room: damaged neck"

"On the Record with Greta" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (attorney) Pat Anderson: "BIG FIGHT -attempted STRANGULATION"

"On the Record with Greta" - Tuesday 10-28-03 --> (attorney) Pat Anderson and (brother) Bobby Schindler: "failing marriage -DIVORCE imminent -Potassium explained":

"Hardball with with Chris Matthews" - Wednesday 10-29-03 --> (pro-Terri attorney for ACLJ) Jay Sekulow and (anti-Terri attorney) Joe Tacopina: "Matthews: I think the human issue here is... her eyes flickering... I think she's ALIVE":

"Larry King Live" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (husband) Michael Schiavo[barf alert]: THEY get money from the right wing ACTIVISTS - "Removing somebody's feeding is very painless. It is a very easy way to die" - [later] King: Would you take one[lie detector test]? - No

"The Abrams Report" - Monday 11-03-03 --> (Commentary) almost entirely pro-husband

"O'Reilly Factor" - Wednesday 11-05-03 --> (former "Vegetative State" patient) Kate Adamson: Being starved to death is EXTREMELY painful "It was SHEER torture!" - took her THREE MONTHS of ACUTE REHAB to snap out
Her website says: We stand behind Terri Schindler!

"The Abrams Report" - Thursday 11-06-03 --> (pro-Terri attorney) Pat Anderson and (pro-death attorney) George Felos: "Felos: Michael is a MODEL husband" - Anderson:"Terri got NO REHAB after $award$":

"On the Record with Greta" - Thursday 11-06-03 --> (Gov.Bush's lead attorney) Ken Connor, and followed by a panel discussion:
"Connor: INDEPENDENTLY investigate the circumstances and allegations...
Alred: Perhaps the PARENTS SHOULD care for her

"Radio Interview" --> (Michael Schiavo's so-called 1st girlfriend after Terri's so-called 'collapse')
MS: "[Terri] upsets my WHOLE LIFE with this, and this is ALL her fault."
GIRLFRIEND: "he can be the most INCREDIBLY MEAN person!"

"CBS News Sunday Morning" - Sunday 11-09-03 -->
( Lead-off feature story for this Sunday morning news magazine )

29 posted on 11/10/2003 10:01:58 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: EternalVigilance
And hooray especially for Free Republic! It's home for folks of good heart. Wouldn't it be fantastic if Terri recovered enough to Freep with us? :-)
30 posted on 11/10/2003 10:04:29 PM PST by T'wit
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To: EternalVigilance
I would need a straight-jacket and duct tape over my mouth to stay out of trouble.

We who have been following Terri's threads know how important judges can be. Thanks again for bringing attention to President Bush's nominees that have been treated so unfairly. Let the Senate vote up or down!
31 posted on 11/10/2003 10:05:11 PM PST by windchime
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To: T'wit
Wouldn't it be fantastic if Terri recovered enough to Freep with us? :-)

That is a thought that brings a BIG smile to my face! :-)

32 posted on 11/10/2003 10:08:08 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: windchime
Let the Senate vote up or down!

You got it!

33 posted on 11/10/2003 10:09:01 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: FL_engineer
INTERESTING -- from new article "Terri Schiavo's parents discuss their pain, heartache & resolve":

Mary said she remembered thinking right after Terri's collapse that Michael was extraordinarily attentive for having been thrust into such a situation. She recalled five other young women in Terri's condition at a nursing home in Sable Ponds and said their mothers told her that each of their husbands "flew" after they realized their wives would likely never be the same.

"I thought, 'Look at this loving man that's here every day.' He watched her like a hawk. Naturally, now I know he was afraid. He must have been thinking, 'What if they teach her to talk?'" Mary speculated. "I think he was afraid she would say, 'What are you doing here? You did this to me!' I think that's what happened. Speculation, yes, but it is a possible explanation for what's bothering me in that interview.

34 posted on 11/10/2003 10:09:30 PM PST by cyn (
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To: sweetliberty; EternalVigilance; floriduh voter; tutstar; Canticle_of_Deborah; JulieRNR21; ...
Also Transcripted:
"CBS News Sunday Morning" - Sunday 11-09-03 -->
( Lead-off feature story for this Sunday morning news magazine )

Join the Terri Schindler Life Ribbon Campaign
      "Where there's life, there's hope."
      -Terri Schiavo ( arguing with her best friend Diane Meyer ) angrily PROMOTING LIFE FOR the comatose
-Kate Adamson ( former vegetative patient nearly starved to death ) "Its VERY painful... Its SHEER torture!"

-Michael Schiavo (teaching Terri she can NEVER DIVORCE him) minutes before her 'collapse'
-Michael's 1993 girlfriend ("he can be the most INCREDIBLY MEAN person!")
-link to latest TV coverage/interviews           Contact FoxNews

35 posted on 11/10/2003 10:09:52 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: EternalVigilance
God bless you and thanks for all you're doing!!! Hats off to ya.
36 posted on 11/10/2003 10:10:48 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: FL_engineer
(in wonderment) You just don't stop, do you, lol?! Thanks, will save for LATER a.m. reading.
37 posted on 11/10/2003 10:12:42 PM PST by cyn (
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To: FL_engineer
Thanks for the transcript of the girlfriend, etc. This is bizarre!!!
38 posted on 11/10/2003 10:14:14 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: T'wit
Amen to that; it is indeed ironic and 'angrifying', if I might make up a word. This is so sad, these YEARS of neglect! Yes, I would love to see Terri freed to go "home for the holidays", if that is what her family wanted. . . I want to see her out again.

From our mouths to God's ear! Oh, may it be.
39 posted on 11/10/2003 10:18:46 PM PST by cyn (
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To: T'wit
The downside would be assault charges, I guess. With the number of dem-wits who've been running their mouths lately, President Bush would be rolling in campaign cash and the 'dirty sock gang' would be praying to get a judge that wasn't pushing an agenda.
40 posted on 11/10/2003 10:19:57 PM PST by windchime
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