Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 3-4, 2003

Various | November 3, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

TERRI'S FIGHT(Daily Thread 4 - November 3-4, 2003)Link back to thread 3 - (Nov. 1-2)

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Contained in thread 3"

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More questionable connections between The Jerger Co., the new doctor and the mistress, update on the prayer vigil, connections between Judge Demers and the new Guardian ad litum, Jay Wolfson, link to information on Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, comparison to Indiana case involving starving Down's Syndrome infants, PC93 launches Terri's life ribbon campaign, more information on Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, connection between George Felos and Mary Labyak of Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, update from the vigil, link to legal summary of the case, information on Mary Labyak, contact information for Florida law enforcement and courts, story of John Douglas, link to doctor's exam and nursing notes, update on Terri and upcoming talk shows, information in the mistress, story of Margaret Logan and the story of the first time Terri's feeding tube was removed.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

Thanks again to everyone for all your hard work.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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Judge Makes USF Professor Schiavo's Guardian Ad Litem

Schiavo case deserves less-reckless handling

Fight over woman's feeding tube leaves husband's life in limbo (Terri Schiavo)

Schiavo lawyer: New Age mystic

Husband challenges law that keeps his wife alive

[Saundra Duffy]

Great note!

[Snykerz]

Michael graduated from Woodrow Wilson High school in 1980.. he then enrolled in Bucks county comunity college where he met Terri. Both Terri and michael dropped out of comunity college in 1982.
He grew up in Levittown, Pa., in suburban Philadelphia, the son of Bill and Clara Schiavo.

[Saundra Duffy]

he knew that she wasn't comotose but stated it didn't make any difference because no one should be starved to death

Glad he understands.

[pollywog]

Oh yes Father!!! Yes!! Amen

[Snykerz]

He took classes at St. Petersburg Community College in 1991, and began studying nursing.

[sweetliberty]

"He went on Larry King and told the world he only had one child."

Well, not exactly. Larry King only asked him if he had A child and he admitted he did. He didn't volunteer that he had one or more besides. At that point, I believe the second one of his children with Jodi had been born.

[sweetliberty]

"County do keep records of birth.."

Not much help if you don't have a name to work with though.

[Theodore R.]

Is there anyone from Woodrow Wilson High School out there who could tell us about the "younger" Schiavo? As Wordsworth said, "the child is the father of the man." I would like to hear "old friends" tell all about this speciman of "humanity."

[Saundra Duffy]

I used to visit this young man at a nursing home. He had cerebral palsey. Couldn't walk; couldn't talk. He was smart and used to go by motorized wheelchair to COLLEGE!!! One morning they found him dead in bed. What happened was those beds, you know the bars to keep people from falling out of bed, well, his head got stuck under the bar and the mattress and he couldn't breathe. Everyone was in shock. It was so sad.

Think how awful to be so weak and vulnerable and you can't fend for yourself. Same with Terri. She depends on those around her to be kind and loving and supporting AND JUST LOOK WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!!! I hate it that she's still in that hell hole of a hospice!

[wisconsinconservative]

MS is listed at Classmates.com Woodrow Wilson High. Levittown, PA


http://www.classmates.com/user/myschool/class_list.tf?school_id=2255;tab=0;start_year=1981;new=;end_year=1981;role=student;page=6

[sweetliberty]

"He went to Woodrow Wilson High School"

Thanks.

[Orlando]

You're right, hmmm ?
She would have to file $$$ to the IRS, but without the name
. The only thing we have is a time period of 13-14 yrs ago ?. If only, she provided more information, just give us a clue, where to look..

I got to go...see you later..God bless You ALL !!

[sweetliberty]

"Michael graduated from Woodrow Wilson High school in 1980.."

Yeah, I knew about the community college. Guess I missed the reference to the high school. Thanks.

[lakey]

Everytime I hear of abuse and neglect in care facilities, my blood runs cold.

There was a time when families lived close by, giving support to both young and old. I've seen friends paternal & maternal grandmothers in rented hospital beds in the family dining room - no place else to put them. And it's not such a bad idea when one considers the interaction, rather than shoving them off into boredom of a strange room with strangers in & out.

[sweetliberty]

For reference:

Florida Statutes on Guardianship

[FR_addict]

"Thanks but after they tried to starve Terri, I think I'll stear clear of hospice."

I told my spouse that I didn't want to ever go to a hospice after hearing about this case and other similar cases. If I ever get that sick let me die at home. I'm checking into long-term care insurance that provides nursing help in our house for both of us.

[iowamomforfreedom]

Actually, child support is not deductible by the payor, nor reportable income to the receiver.

If he claimed the child as an exemption and/or for the earned income tax credit, of course, he would need to report name and soc. security number. But most likely the mother claimed the exemption.

[TaxRelief]

Jesuits consistently support and encourage communist regimes.

[Chocolate Rose]

About the California treatment- -
From the LKL show - -

"KING: Did they not accuse you of denying Terri any rehab treatment since 1993?

SCHIAVO: Let's talk about the rehab.

When this happened to Terri, I sued Prudential Insurance for her rehab benefits. She (AUDIO GAP) Bayfront Medical Center for three months getting extensive rehab...

KING: In Clearwater, right?

SCHIAVO: In St. Petersburg.

KING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

SCHIAVO: She spent three months there. Then, while she was there, we heard of this doctor in California here that was doing experimental surgery, implanting stimulators in people's brains in hopes to stimulate any activity.

Now, we were told with this, too (Ph) when this doctor looked at the CAT scans, that it was probably not going to work Because there's just no brain left. But I did it anyway, because I loved Terri. And I wanted to bring my wife back. I wanted to have my wife back in me.

So I flew her out to California by myself, with a nurse. And I spent a month there. They inserted the stimulator.

KING: Didn't work?

SCHIAVO: No, it eventually didn't work, no. The protocol for the stimulator was three months. I kept it on her for a year. "

[lil'bit]

If anyone has a membership in classmates he's there

Michael Schiavo
Woodrow Wilson HS
Levittown PA 1977-1981

[pollywog]

>>He [Wolfson] has agreed to visit Terri accompanied by Mr. Schiavo, and another visit accompanied by the Schindlers.

PRAYING for A DIVINE MIRACLE when the Schindlers enter the room with Wolfson !!!!!!! When is this to happen???

[Coral Snake]

That's just it. As far as I know Rand NEVER said any of these things directly but her GROUPIES do for some reason.
Perhaps because many of them are former liberals and socialists that realized that socialism doesn't work and therefore are trying to wrap their moral relativism into a capitalistic framework using Rands atheistic "Objectivism" as their model.

[pollywog]

"He went on Larry King and told the world he only had one child."

Well, not exactly. Larry King only asked him if he had A child and he admitted he did. He didn't volunteer that he had one or more besides. At that point, I believe the second one of his children with Jodi had been born.

Well we all need to email Larry BEFORE the interveiw with the Schindlers and make this point!! One child born DURING their marriage, before Terri's " accident" and two since!!!!! POUR THEM EMAILS in to LK!!!!

[sweetliberty]

We really can't use the one before Terri was hurt unless and until we can confirm it. That would only hurt our credibility. But we can certainly let him know of the second one.

[Windshark]

She knows I'm safe.....she's got me wrapped big time.

Now...if I start secretly mailing those kind of offers with hotel reservations and flight arrival times....she might get concerned. But if that happened she's already got permission to shoot me.....:-)

[pickyourpoison]

Do you think this child was born in Florida or Penn.?

[sweetliberty]

"Do you think this child was born in Florida or Penn.?"

No idea. I only mentioned Pennsylvania as a possibility since they were from there and did take trips back there. And because everyone had been focusing their attention on Florida. Don't know.

[Saundra Duffy]

When Jesus comes back, He'll straighten out this mess. Come quickly, Lord Jesus. (P.S. Have mercy on me.)

[sweetliberty]

"she's got me wrapped big time"

Never doubted it for a minute.

[sweetliberty]

Looks like the euthansiacs are trying a different ploy to rally support for killing Terri. While there are clear similarities in the utter disregard of life in both issues, we need to counter this attack swiftly and put it in proper perspective. They already have the ACLU. Now they're going for the support of the NOW nazis. (Can you say "contemptible hypocrites?" I knew you could.)

Pro-Lifers Link Euthanasia to Abortion

[CindyDawg]

Have yall figured out what women they represent? It's not me and I haven't spoken to a women yet that supports them?

[sweetliberty]

Same here Cindy. They sure as heck don't represent me. I do know of one woman who thinks the feminist movement has been good for women, but she doesn't take me on any more. Can't imagine why.

[cyn]

I asked about divorce when I was at the vigil (meaning Michael and Terri); was told that in that diocese, an annulment could probably be obtained from a vending machine. fwiw.

[CindyDawg]

lol. I couldn't open my e-mail on aol while I was gone. I was re-reading today regarding a response from AARP that they would have to take a poll of their members and could take up to a year to decide if they wanted to get involved here or not. I had wrote back and told them after I heard that they weren't taking a stand anytime soon, that I was now hearing rumors they were thinking about it. I reminded the sender of what she had sent me and requested they not get into this if they were not able to support Terri receiving food and water. I received a short note back that they had not taken a stand.

[Aliska]

That's probably true, but only applies if they want to be married in the catholic church, or practice the catholic faith.

MS'actions wherein he allegedly removed religious articles (somewhere I read somebody got something blessed by the pope and put it by Terri and it was removed), as well as not allowing Terri to receive communion demonstrate that he may be hostile to catholicism; he was raised Lutheran, and it isn't known if he converted. His girlfriend has an Italian name which would make me tend to believe she is at least nominally catholic, but not necessarily so.

[sweetliberty]

I got this in my email and I found it inspiring. I thought y'all might like it. This is a true story.

"You are My Sunshine, My only Sunshine"

Like any good mother, when Karen found out that another baby was on the way, she did what she could to help her 3-year-old son, Michael, prepare for a new sibling. They found out that the new baby was going be a girl, and day after day, night after night, Michael sang to his sister in mommy's tummy. He was building a bond of love with his little sister before he even met her.

The pregnancy progressed normally for Karen, an active member of the Panther Creek United Methodist Church in Morristown, Tennessee. In time, the labor pains came. Soon it was every five minutes, every three, every minute. But serious complications arose during delivery and Karen found herself in hours of labor. Would a C-section be required?

Finally, after a long struggle, Michael's little sister was born. But she was in very serious condition. With a siren howling in the night, the ambulance rushed the infant to the neonatal intensive care unit at St. Mary's Hospital, Knoxville, Tennessee. The days inched by. The little girl got worse. The pediatrician had to tell the parents there is very little hope. Be prepared for the worst.

Karen and her husband contacted a local cemetery about a burial plot. They had fixed up a special room in their house for their new baby! but now they found themselves having to plan for a funeral. Michael, however, kept begging his parents to let him see his sister. I want to sing to her, he kept saying.

Week two in intensive care looked as if a funeral would come before the week was over. Michael kept nagging about singing to his sister, but kids are never allowed in Intensive Care. Karen decided to take Michael whether they liked it or not. If he didn't see his sister right then, he may never see her alive. She dressed him in an oversized scrub suit and marched him into ICU. He looked like a walking laundry basket. The head nurse recognized him as a child and bellowed, "Get that kid out of here now. No children are allowed." The mother rose up strong in Karen, and the usually mild-mannered lady glared steel-eyed right into the head nurse's face, her lips a firm line. "He is not leaving until he sings to his sister" she stated.

Then Karen towed Michael to his sister's bedside. He gazed at the tiny infant losing the battle to live. After a moment, he began to sing. In the pure-hearted voice of a 3-year-old, Michael sang: "You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy when skies are grey." Instantly the baby girl seemed to respond. The pulse rate began to calm down and become steady. "Keep on singing, Michael," encouraged Karen with tears in her eyes. "You never know, dear, how much I love you, please don't take my sunshine away."

As Michael sang to his sister, the baby's ragged, strained breathing became as smooth as a kitten's purr. "Keep on singing, sweetheart." "The other night, dear, as I lay sleeping, I dreamed I held you in my arms". Michael's little sister began to relax as rest, healing rest, seemed to sweep over her. "Keep on singing, Michael." Tears had now conquered the face of the bossy head nurse. Karen glowed. "You are my sunshine, my only sunshine. Please don't take my sunshine away...."

The next, day...the very next day...the little girl was well enough to go home.

Woman! 's Day Magazine called it The Miracle of a Brother's Song. The medical staff just called it a miracle. Karen called it a miracle of God's love.

NEVER GIVE UP ON THE PEOPLE YOU LOVE. LOVE IS SO INCREDIBLY POWERFUL.

[TaxRelief]

You do realize that NOW, AARP and PTA are well-known "subcommittees" of the Democratic party? (NOW is small and insignificant, while the other two are huge and have duped members.)

[TaxRelief]

I would like to see "Harv's" credentials, first.

[TaxRelief]

(Judge Greer, George Felos, Michael Schiavo, Jody the slut etc.) I don't think I have EVER seen such a collection of spiritually dead people

On the contrary, they are saturated with spirit of the very darkest or reddest hue.

[cyn]

We were considering a number of possible scenarios to explain why he didn't just move on with a new life (hiding physical evidence is always reason #1 mentioned). Our understanding was that it was SO important to the girlfriend to be married in the Catholic church. (shhh, no comment on the hypocrisy. . .). And SO important that an annulment wasn't acceptable (that's when the 'vending machine' comment was made). But yet killing is! A stark realization that sobered us -- straining the gnat & swallowing the camel, KILLING a person.

I was given to understand that Michael converted, though don't know for sure. The removal of religious articles and flowers is pure meanness & power plays (as is so much else in this horrid story), possibly more.

The refusal to allow Terri to take last rites, which happened the Sat. I was there, was by lawyer (Bushnell, I believe) for the strict "nothing by mouth" -- and yes it does say a lot about their overall attitudes toward religion and respecting Terri's wishes.

Their hostility is toward life and everything sacred, not just everything catholic (imo). My prayers are for their hearts and minds to be changed -- stranger things have happened, and God is able.

[TaxRelief]

If Hollywood would let US be in charge of THIS movie, it would be a blockbuster of epic proportions.

[CindyDawg]

Yeah. It's a joke around here that the only two organizations with any significance that I belong to are the AARP and the NRA. I was hanging out on the AARP chat thread and asking seniors (wherever the opportunity arises) to ask AARP to stay out of this.

[sweetliberty]

Looks like the toxic pond scum and his screaming demons win again. No human is capable of this much evil!

Florida Court Prohibits Terri's Parents From Joining "Terri's Law" Battle (ACLJ)

[Aliska]

We were considering a number of possible scenarios to explain why he didn't just move on with a new life (hiding physical evidence is always reason #1 mentioned). Our understanding was that it was SO important to the girlfriend to be married in the Catholic church. (shhh, no comment on the hypocrisy. . .). And SO important that an annulment wasn't acceptable (that's when the 'vending machine' comment was made). But yet killing is! A stark realization that sobered us -- straining the gnat & swallowing the camel, KILLING a person.

Annulments are a nuisance, but it is probably a lot more than that. Consider that even in a liberal diocese, an annulment application under these circumstances might not fly. My personal opinion is that they want her dead so they can put it behind them with no chance for more ugly surprises, etc.

The removal of religious articles and flowers is pure meanness & power plays (as is so much else in this horrid story), possibly more.

It seems to me it is all about power games. When he said the parents want to make his life hell, I felt that he was projecting. It appears he wants to make the parents' life hell.

The refusal to allow Terri to take last rites, which happened the Sat. I was there, was by lawyer (Bushnell, I believe) for the strict "nothing by mouth" -- and yes it does say a lot about their overall attitudes toward religion and respecting Terri's wishes.

Last rites weren't denied according to my understanding, only receiving communion on the part of Terri. Another grotesque power play imo, but he and the priest could have conceivably been held in contempt of court if communion was allowed. It could have been on the advice of his lawyer. Cold day in hell when a legal decree dictate the administration of a sacrament.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Weren't the trolls telling us that it was a good day for Terri in the courts?

[sweetliberty]

HELP! What's up with the "my comments" page? It seems to be broke!

[Future Useless Eater]

asked on another thread...
Sources on #6, please. This is the first I saw of any pre- hospitalized Terri saying she was contemplating divorce. This is damning evidence if it can be corroborated.


Sooi-ten-lee... You can find a lot by searching for Schiavo + divorce, Schiavo + Diane Meyers, Schiavo + Jackie Rhodes, etc...
For starters, how about Newsweek: Nov. 3 issue — The day before Terri Schiavo’s life descended into a private purgatory in 1990, she indulged in a guilty pleasure: an $80 visit to the hairdresser. When she told her husband, Michael, over the phone, he reacted angrily at the cost and the two traded bitter words, according to Jackie Rhodes, a friend of Schiavo’s.

the Seattle Times:
Jackie Rhodes, who worked and socialized with Terri, says Michael would frequently call his wife at work and leave her in tears. She says she and Terri had each discussed divorcing their husbands and moving in together.
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Hannity and Colmes
[attorney] Anderson: ...she was so upset about the fight, that she called her best friend from work, a girl that she had discussed, perhaps both of them getting a divorce, and taking an apartment together... She called this girl, Jackie Rhodes, told her about the big fight... She was sufficiently upset that Jackie Rhodes asked her: "Should I come over? Should I come over and spend the night with you so you'll be safe?"

Anderson: And Terri said, "No, I'll either be asleep, or pretend to be asleep when he gets home from work."... and the next thing Jackie heard, was she was in the emergency room.

...more from Newsweek:
Terri confided to her friend Rhodes that her marriage was strained. She complained that Michael was lazy and so controlling that he tracked the mileage on her new Toyota to ensure she didn’t venture too far. A few weeks before her collapse, Terri broke down crying with her brother Bobby. “I wish that I had the guts to divorce Michael,” she told him, according to an affidavit he signed, “because I cannot take being married to him anymore.”

"On the Record with Greta"
Greta: What was her marriage like with her husband?

Bobby: Well it was deteriorating Greta. I mean, we've had ahh, Terri and I had conversations ahh, prior to her collapsing that evening, where she was ahh, coming to me seeking a DIVORCE from Michael.

Bobby: And at the time, I was only in my early twenties, and ah, other than just listening to her, I really didn't offer... you know, have much to offer, as far as how to go about seeking a divorce. Ahh, she was extremely unhappy.

and THIS juicy tidbit regarding LIFE SUPPORT from St.PetersburgTimes:
...they[Terri's parents] and [friend Diane] Meyer said [IN COURT UNDER OATH], [Terri] supported placing her grandmother ON a ventilator and opposed Karen Ann Quinlan's parents, who gained national attention in the 1970s when fighting to REMOVE their daughter from life support.

this from the AP...
[best friend Diane] Meyer told a cruel joke about Quinlan, and it set Schiavo off.

"She went down my throat about this joke, that it was inappropriate," Meyer said. She remembers Schiavo wondering how the doctors and lawyers could possibly know what Quinlan was really feeling or what she would want.

"Where there's life," Meyer recalled her[Terri] saying, "there's hope."

[Future Useless Eater]

>>"KING: Did they not accuse you of denying Terri any rehab treatment since 1993?

King should have ASKED a 2nd TIME. Michael's answer was ALL PRE-1993 treatment

[sweetliberty]

"Weren't the trolls telling us that it was a good day for Terri in the courts?"

How so?

[Admin Moderator]

We are aware of it. Jim notified John, it will get resolved. Hang in there.