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The Cross vs. the Swastika
Boundless ^ | 1/26/02 | Matt Kaufman

Posted on 01/26/2002 1:14:46 PM PST by Paul Ross

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Old news to some, but, surprising still to an majority of those who have let the now-outed Hard-Left media monopoly tell them what history is...
1 posted on 01/26/2002 1:14:46 PM PST by Paul Ross
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To: Paul Ross
One of the perpetrators of this hoax was--Surprise!- that great and sincere Christian, Billyboy himself, in a speech a few years ago.

I wouldn't begin to know how to dig it up (no doubt there's an ace here who could) but his assertion was that "Nazism was a perverted form of Christianity."

I suspect it was one of his vaunted posturings in which he appeared (to himself at least) to be dispensing the wisdom of caution against having any faith in the western Judeo-Christian ethic, just as when he equated us to the terrorists, because of the Crusades, at Georgetown not long ago.

Sick f*er fits right in with the great liars of history doesn't he?

2 posted on 01/26/2002 1:38:18 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Paul Ross
Hitler was hard-core evolutionist. He ordered creationism replaced in German public schools with evolutionary teachings and he and the Nazis practiced social Darwinism.
3 posted on 01/26/2002 1:51:50 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky
Hitler was hard-core evolutionist. He ordered creationism replaced in German public schools with evolutionary teachings and he and the Nazis practiced social Darwinism.

Yeah, and Jeffrey Dahmer was a creationist. (Rev. Jim Jones devinitely was.)

4 posted on 01/26/2002 1:53:17 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: hinckley buzzard
The nazis also considered Orthodox Christians and their clergy to be on the same level as the Jews....and the nazis persecuted them accordingly!

Serbian Orthodox Christians were murdered and/or transported to nazi concentration camps by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS! The Patriarch of that Church and many hundreds of his clergy were imprisoned in Dachau.

nazi allies: the Albanians, the Bosnians and the Croats also assisted the nazis in killing Serbian Orthodox Christians. OR, they, themselves, murdered thousands of Orthodox Serbs in concentration camps.

5 posted on 01/26/2002 2:00:39 PM PST by crazykatz
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To: PatrickHenry
Yet, another brilliant remark by an evolutionist. That remark is as stupid as the evolutionary fairy.

Dahmer was homosexual. Hitler and the Nazis practiced evolution and forced on Germany's society. Social Darwinism was the driving force behind the desire for a master race.

6 posted on 01/26/2002 2:05:22 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: hinckley buzzard
Well, I didn't have to look too hard, and I managed to find this little tidbit of history, embedded in a more-or-less appropriate analysis:

 

Clinton on Hitler's "Christianity"


Without provoking a syllable of subsequent criticism from the Christians in attendance at the February 4th National Prayer Breakfast, Bill Clinton told his audience that "Adolph Hitler preached a perverted form of Christianity...." Bearing in mind that Mr. Clinton takes pains to be seen and photographed each week exiting church, his Bible conspicuously in view, and also that he is given to pontificating about the "lessons of history;' it is fair to perceive his comment as either the product of culpable ignorance or premeditated slander.

In 1942, Martin Bormann, who at the time was the second-highest ranking member of Germany's National Socialist (Nazi) Party hierarchy, issued a secret memo to Party district leaders to emphasize the fact that "National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible." Referring to "the ideological hostility" directed against the Nazi Party by Christians throughout the Reich, Bormann explained that "the Evangelical Church poses us with the same hostility as the Catholic Church" and predicted that in the future "it must be made absolutely impossible for the Church to exercise its old influence" in Germany and wherever else the Swastika flew in triumph.

"Hitler was made possible by the triumph of scientific naturalism in Europe, not by organized religion," points out Rabbi Daniel Lapin in his valuable new book, America's Real War. "Nazism was, after all, 'National Socialism,' and any form of socialism has intellectual roots in the secular Left, not the religious Right." At great personal peril, recalls Rabbi Lapin, "in Lutheran countries such as Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden, devout Christians, and often the church leadership itself, turned the rescuing of Jews into a religious mission.... Many Catholic and Protestant church leaders in Europe realized that Hitler hated God and the church. Many lost their lives. Only a society in which the church had already been weakened could breed Nazism."

Although he hated God, Hitler was rapturously in love with himself and his movement was built upon institutionalized loyalty to his person — fuhrerprinzip. The Democratic Party's prevailing doctrine, which holds loyalty to Bill Clinton above fidelity to the law or to the Constitution, is near kindred to the Nazis' pernicious doctrine. As to Bill Clinton's self-infatuation a trait he shares with the late, unlamented Fuhrer — one need look no further than this presidential remark from the January 25th "Fifth Millennium Evening" at the White House: "You all know that I am a walking apostle of hope and progress." Worry not, however: The Apostle of Hope assures us that he bears his mantle "without arrogance, [and] with appropriate humility."

 

7 posted on 01/26/2002 2:06:28 PM PST by Paul Ross
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To: PatrickHenry
Ol' sparky wasn't lying. What's wrong with being a evolutionist if you support it? Hitler saw a truth in natural selection and wanted to control or destroy the lesser monkey-peoples to establish his supremacy. Doesn't sound christian to me.

Jeff Dahmer wasn't a creationist so much as he was a cannibalistic sick you-know-what. Rev. Jim Jones was a socialist people's temple leader who had nothing to do with christianity and everything to do with marxism and it's accompanying theories. Read up on J.Jones and you'll wonder why he is used as a christian example.

8 posted on 01/26/2002 2:09:28 PM PST by martian_22
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To: hinckley buzzard
Oops, I forgot to include the link to the source site for the quote, which you should be able to click here to get to if this still works. BTW, I didn't know there were buzzards up in Hinckley, I thought there were mostly Eagles.... granted they are scavengers as well as birds of prey (as old Ben Franklin claimed) but still, it IS our National Symbol...!
9 posted on 01/26/2002 2:15:20 PM PST by Paul Ross
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To: hinckley buzzard
All I could find was the actual quote, "Hitler preached a perverted form of Christianity".....the venue, a National Prayer Breakfast....and part of the date, 2/4/19??
10 posted on 01/26/2002 2:17:00 PM PST by wtc911
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To: hinckley buzzard,all
Thought this would be a relevant visual comparison:


11 posted on 01/26/2002 2:34:52 PM PST by Paul Ross
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To: hinckley buzzard,buffyt,Victoria Delsoul,kattracks,Alamo-Girl
Sick f*er fits right in with the great liars of history doesn't he?

Oops again--You deserve a BUMP! for this truism...

12 posted on 01/26/2002 2:47:29 PM PST by Paul Ross
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To: Paul Ross
Geez!!! Nobody ever shows up on Hitler's side on these threads, even though he has admirers.

Unless the ones linking Naziism to Christianity are secretly in Aryan drag. ;^)

13 posted on 01/26/2002 3:11:54 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: PatrickHenry
http://www.toolan.com/hitler/survive.html

In 1895 Alfred Ploetz had, as we have seen, introduced Social Darwinism into Germany and founded Racial Hygiene. In his book "Fundamental Outline of Racial Hygiene" he calls for the elimination of counter-selective processes i.e. those processes which eliminate the strong and favour the weak. Amongst these he includes war and the protection of the weak and the ill. As an illustration he gives the example of a newly married couple who give birth to a weak or malformed child who would be given an easy death with a small dose of morphine by a Board of Doctors.

http://www.observations.net/questions/question11.html

Darwin’s thought would become an important influence on Adolf Hitler. Historian Ian Kershaw, author of Hitler, Profiles in Power, wrote: “The social darwinist view of history as a struggle between individual races with victory going to the strongest, fittest and most ruthless, seems to have occupied its place at the center of Hitler’s world view by 1914-1918 at the latest.”

The centrality of darwinism in Hitler’s thinking can be seen in this quote from chapter 4 of Mein Kampf:

By leaving the process of procreation unchecked and by submitting the individual to the hardest preparatory tests in life, Nature selects the best from an abundance of single elements and stamps them as fit to live and carry on the conservation of the species. But man restricts the procreative faculty and strives obstinately to keep alive at any cost whatever has once been born. This correction of the Divine Will seems to him to be wise and humane, and he rejoices at having trumped Nature’s card in one game at least and thus proved that she is not entirely reliable. The dear little ape of an all-mighty father is delighted to see and hear that he has succeeded in effecting a numerical restriction; but he would be very displeased if told that this, his system, brings about a degeneration in personal quality.

For as soon as the procreative faculty is thwarted and the number of births diminished, the natural struggle for existence which allows only healthy and strong individuals to survive is replaced by a sheer craze to ‘save’ feeble and even diseased creatures at any cost. And thus the seeds are sown for a human progeny which will become more and more miserable from one generation to another, as long as Nature’s will is scorned.

The title of Hitler's book, Mein Kampf, means, My Struggle, in English, and alludes to the darwinian struggle for the survival of the fittest. In Hitler's view, the Aryans were the fittest race, while all others were unfit. Hitler believed that the Aryans would win the darwinian struggle through warfare.

By reducing man to a mere accident, and advocating survival of the fittest, darwinism has contributed to the genocidal holocausts of the 20th century. This unscientific philosophy, which has been responsible for much human misery, has seen its day. It is now time for darwinism to be discarded.

14 posted on 01/26/2002 3:12:34 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Paul Ross
They need to read about people like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a true Christian, who did all he could, along with others who were of the Confesing Church and who lost their lives to Hitler's thugs, some shot, others hanged with piano wire just weeks before the war was over.
15 posted on 01/26/2002 3:21:57 PM PST by la$tminutepardon
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To: Ol' Sparky
Darwin's thought would become an important influence on Adolf Hitler.

This is one of the dumber ideas that surfaces in the evolution threads from time to time. First, let's consider REAL evolutionists, starting with Darwin himself, and continuing to today's biologists, physicians, etc. None is a mass murderer. This alone is overwhelming evidence that studying biology is not something that triggers genocidal insanity. The simple fact is that Hitler was no biologist. He used a few phrases about evolution to justify his madness. So what? He was also a believer in astrology, pagan mythology, and probably a dozen other ideas. And he was a vegetarian too. Do all those things lead to genocidal insanity? Besides, the Taliban are creationists. Does that tell you anything? Actually, it means nothing. Guilt by association is an absurd method of thinking.

16 posted on 01/26/2002 3:27:40 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Would you deny that he hawked his racialism as being a natural and fitting political compliment to evolutionary theory as applied to **human** races / ethnicities ?
17 posted on 01/26/2002 3:35:45 PM PST by Mmmike
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To: PatrickHenry
Blaming Darwin for the Holocaust is very much like blaming Einstein for Nagasaki. That said, Darwin's later work did advocate a nascent form of eugenics, whereas Einstein in no way advocated nuclear warfare. See, for instance, the last chapter of The Descent of Man, where he starts promoting genetic fitness and noting that social welfare policy inhibit this genetic fitness. He also cites Galton, the founder of the eugenics movement, who has enjoyed quite the following in the racialist movement.
19 posted on 01/26/2002 3:38:37 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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I know why the thought of Hitler and the Nazis being Christians is enough to give today's Christians the fits. However, I wonder how far people will go with this thing. Just how much history will people rewrite? Not that Nazism = some form of Christianity...that's an outrageous charge. But...Christian anti-semitism is a historical fact, is it not? Didn't hatred of Jews, sanctified by various Churches and religious leaders, lay the groundwork for Nazism? Or did Nazism just spring forth despite centuries of Christian "love" and "tolerance" for the Jews?
20 posted on 01/26/2002 3:44:16 PM PST by BenF
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