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The Cross vs. the Swastika
Boundless ^ | 1/26/02 | Matt Kaufman

Posted on 01/26/2002 1:14:46 PM PST by Paul Ross

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To: Paul Ross
I just finished reading HITLER'S CROSS, by Erwin Lutzer. Hilter was a pagan, and was surrounded by pagans. He outlawed most Christian churches, and required allegience from all the rest. Einstein, an atheist, said,

"Being a lover of freedom, when the [Nazi] revolution came I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but no, the universities were immediately silenced. Then I looked to the great editors o fthe newspapers, whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks.

Only the church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for supressing the truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration for it because the church alone has had the courage and persistance to stand for intellectual and moral freedom. I am forced to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."

42 posted on 01/26/2002 6:20:04 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: PatrickHenry
And like with Margaret Sanger, who was also a racist, there isn't an excuse you won't come up with to try and explain away the massive flaws in evolution and the vile racism of Darwin. Racism was a major part of theory. Along with the desperate desire to disprove the obvious -- the universe was created.
43 posted on 01/26/2002 6:47:24 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: longshadow
WELL? Are you going to condemn Darwin's obvious racism? Or, like as with Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger, are you going to live in a fantasy world of denial?

The reality is Hitler and Darwin agreed on a whole when it came to race.

44 posted on 01/26/2002 6:49:19 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: xcon
You such a fool? Sound law? There is ONE piece of evidence FOR evolution (if you find one -- 1-800-8enyart between 9 and 10 ET on weekdays).

The fossil record is barren. There is not one fossil that provides evidence of macroevolution and there should be millions. The largest group of mammal fossils are rat fossils and there has been absolutely no evolution observed.

As far as mutations. Yes, mutations DO often cause death. But, evolution is based on the idea the mutations are good and numerous. The whole theory is based on mutations.

Only an idiot can imagine a whale or dolphin evolving into a mammal. Both mammals and whales and dolphins have multiple functions necessary for land or water. Dolphins or whales could not have possibly evolved. Nor could the duckbilled platypus.

Then, we have a accomplished scientist, Dr. Michael Behe, who proves conclusively in Darwin's Black Box that complex organisms have too many interdependent parts to have evolved step-by-step.

Even many evolutionist acknowledge that evolution is a grossly flawed theory. There isn't one scientist that will claim evolution involves laws. That's stupid to even make the claim and shows how much you've been brainwashed.

45 posted on 01/26/2002 6:58:53 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Paul Ross
From the start of the Nazi movement, "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement," said Baldur von Scvhirach, leader of the group that would come to be known as Hitler youth. But "explicitly" only within partly ranks: as the OSS stated, "considerations of expedience made it impossible" for the movement to make this public until it consolidated power. But the notion that the church either gave birth to Hitler or walked hand-in-hand with him as a partner is, simply, slander. Hitler himself knew better. "One is either a Christian or a German," he said. "You can't be both." This is something to bear in mind when some folk on the left trot out their well-worn accusation that conservative Christians are "Nazis" or "fascists."

But it's not Christianity that's injected evil into the world. In fact, the worst massacres in history have been committed by atheists (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot) and virtual pagans (Hitler). Christians have amassed their share of sins over the past 2,000 years, but the great murderers have been the church's enemies, especially in the past century. It's long past time to set the historical record straight.

46 posted on 01/26/2002 7:01:39 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: xcon
It's absolutely disgraceful for a Christian to defend a theory with all the credibility of global warming. It's a lie and it's the religion of the godless. Evolution has sent more than a few people to hell. And there is not ONE piece of evidence that proves evolution. Yet, sadly, you've been brainwashed into believing it.

Dolphins and Whales

We can demonstrate one such transition problem by using the example of dolphins and whales. These mammals bear their young alive and breathe air, yet spend their entire lifetime in the sea. Presumably, in order for dolphins and whales to have evolved, they must have originated from a land mammal that returned to the water and changed into a sea creature. But dolphins and whales have so many remarkable features upon which their survival depends that they couldn't have evolved! It would be a lot like trying to change a bus into a submarine one part at a time, all the while it is traveling at 60 miles per hour.

The following is a list of transitions evolutionists have to account for in the dolphin in its evolution from some unknown land dwelling pre-dolphin:

× The nose would have to move to the back of the head.

× Feet, claws, or tail would be exchanged for fins and flippers.

× It would have to develop a torpedo shaped body for efficient swimming in the water.

× It would have to be able to drink sea water and desalinize it.

× It's entire bone structure and metabolism would have to be rearranged.

× It would need to develop a sophisticated sonar system to search for food.

Could the dolphin acquire these features gradually one at a time over a period of millions of years? What about the transitional stages? Would they have survived with just some of these features? Why is there a total absence of transitional forms fossilized?

Consider the whale and its enormous size in comparison with the plankton it feeds upon. The whale is a nautical vacuum cleaner, with a baleen filter. While it was "developing" this feature, what did it feed upon before? For me, it takes a great stretch of the imagination to picture the evolution of dolphins and whales.

47 posted on 01/26/2002 7:09:39 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: xcon
BTW, evolution contradicts the second law of thermodyanamics. Evolution is based on the theory that the universe is getting stronger, evolving into something better, going from disorder to order. ESTABLISHED scientific laws, including the second laws, clearly show the universe is going from order to disorder, winding down, getting weaker and that everything in the universe will eventually die.

The only evolutionist answer to this problem is yet more unproven theories that they assume cancels out the established laws of science when it comes to evolution.

49 posted on 01/26/2002 7:18:25 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: xcon
I present facts that refute evolution and this all you can come up with? So, so typical. Because that's all evolutionists can do. You have no evidence for this lame fairy tale. When presented with facts that contradict the theory, all you have is empty insults. Try refuting the evidence against evolution. What are you afraid of? That you've been brainwashed with a pseudo-science? You're the one proving that you are incapable of thinking for yourself. If you were and were a legit Christian, you'd be looking at the evidence and arguments that refute evolution and trying to counter those arguments.
51 posted on 01/26/2002 7:24:10 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky
The reality is Hitler and Darwin agreed on a whole when it came to race.

And Hitler and the vegetarians agreed on a whole when it came to diet and nutrition.

Does that make vegetarianism evil?

You have made the logical error of guilt by association, after having failed to distinguish that to the extent Nazis relied on Darwin for anything, it was an EXCUSE for their evil policies; not the impetus. If Darwinism were the impetus for evil Fascist policies, then, as has been pointed out to you already, every evolutionary biologist should turn into a mass murderer like Hilter did.

That they don't is proof that Evolutionary Theory doesn't CAUSE mass murder; that Hitler WAS a mass murderer is proof that something OTHER than Darwin made him do it.

52 posted on 01/26/2002 7:34:26 PM PST by longshadow
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To: xcon
You're almost too stupid to correspond with. In fact, answer the criticism if you're capable. What did dolphins and whales evolve into? At some point, one or the other had to evolve from land mammals into mammals that lived in water.

Only IDIOT can't understand that process could not possibly have taken place in an evolutionary manner. Whales and dolphins could not have developed the multiple features necessary for survival in water while still on being land mammals or the species would die. Nor could whales and dolphins have developed the necessary features in water while possessing the numerous features necessary to live on land.

But, the "genius" that you are, perhaps you could explain how whales and dolphins evolved from being land mammals to ones that live in water. Give it a try.

53 posted on 01/26/2002 7:34:28 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: longshadow
That's such stupid question, it boggles the mind. No, being a vegetarian had no influence whatsoever on Hitler's policies. Darwin has profound impact On Hitler's desire to create a master race and eliminate the weakest members of society. In fact, Darwin and Hitler were both racists that believed the caucasian race was superior.
55 posted on 01/26/2002 7:37:02 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: pollwatcher
Good point. Anti-Semitism is not unique to Christians. And Hilter appropriating Christianity was pure propaganda on his part. He was very good at propaganda. Remember Goebbels?
56 posted on 01/26/2002 7:38:36 PM PST by virgil
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To: PatrickHenry
None is a mass murderer.

An unusually large proportion of the evolutionists seems to support the mass murder that is legalized abortion.

58 posted on 01/26/2002 7:39:30 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Dumb_Ox
Precisely the more "progressive" and less hidebound German doctors, theologians, students, etc. supported Nazism. In the case of the doctors, at least, they also supported the eugenic program.
59 posted on 01/26/2002 7:41:48 PM PST by aristeides
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