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The Cross vs. the Swastika
Boundless ^ | 1/26/02 | Matt Kaufman

Posted on 01/26/2002 1:14:46 PM PST by Paul Ross

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To: Paul Ross

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

"We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession."
-Adolf Hitler

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice....

"And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people....

"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited. "
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922

"While we destroyed the Centre Party, we have not only brought thousands of priests back into the Church, but to millions of respectable people we have restored their faith in their religion and in their priests. The union of the Evangelical Church in a single Church for the whole Reich, the Concordat with the Catholic Church, these are but milestones on the road which leads to the establishment of a useful relation and a useful co operation between the Reich and the two Confessions."
-Adolf Hitler, in his New Year Message on 1 Jan. 1934

"This Winter Help Work is also in the deepest sense a Christian work. When I see, as I so often do, poorly clad girls collecting with such infinite patience in order to care for those who are suffering from the cold while they themselves are shivering with cold, then I have the feeling that they are all apostles of a Christianity-- and in truth of a Christianity which can say with greater right than any other: This is the Christianity of an honest confession, for behind it stand not words but deeds."
-Adolf Hitler, speaking of the Winter Help Campaign on 5 Oct. 1937


21 posted on 01/26/2002 3:55:05 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: Mmmike
Would you deny that he [Hitler] hawked his racialism ...

Who cares what lies he spewed? He was insane. Surely you understand that a madman seeking power will say anything if he thinks he can obtain his objective. Hillary claims she has a strong interest in the welfare of children. Do you believe her too? The simple fact is that tyrants tell lies. Hitler was very good at that. (Clinton too.)

Hitler had a stronger interest in (and knowledge of) art and architecture than biology (of which he obviously knew nothing). Would you condemn architecture because Hitler fancied himself to be an amateur architect? Mein Kampf is full of endless blather about hygene and excercise for the youth. You want to condemn that too?

No, you don't pick on his concern for hygene, or his architecture, or his vegetarianism, or even his astrology. Only evolution. I understand that you're a creationist. Fine with me. But the study of biology doesn't make anyone a follower of Hitler.

22 posted on 01/26/2002 3:56:46 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Paul Ross
But it’s not Christianity that’s injected evil into the world. In fact, the worst massacres in history have been committed by atheists (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot) and virtual pagans (Hitler). Christians have amassed their share of sins over the past 2,000 years, but the great murderers have been the church’s enemies, especially in the past century. It’s long past time to set the historical record straight.

Old-time bttt.

23 posted on 01/26/2002 4:01:48 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: *bang_list
Bump. What do you think about this?
24 posted on 01/26/2002 4:19:46 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Doctor Doom
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

A very skewed and shallow understanding of Christ's actions to say the least. In driving out the moneychangers, Christ fashioned a "scourge of small cords" and ran some of the most unruly of them out, probably along with the barnyard of animals they had brought right onto the porches. There was nothing in this against the Jewish people, only in those who had violated the dignity of His Father's house. What is it like today, but all the hucksterism, if that's a word, that gets associated with religion.

It is good versus evil, Esau and his spiritual kind against Jacob and his spiritual kin. You are one or the other, no matter what guise you assume to fool people. The Jewish people know this, and consider the Nazis spiritual Esau. Those of us who follow Jesus Christ are spiritually Jacob.

25 posted on 01/26/2002 4:20:53 PM PST by la$tminutepardon
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To: xcon
Considering the fact that evolution is used to, generally, brainwash people with the idea that there is no God and considering it is a scientifically absurd theory, it should be completely rejected by any Christian or human being seeking the truth.

The theory of evolution is utter absurd. There is no fossil record that supports evolution. It's based on the idea that mutations are beneficial (virtually all are detrimental). Creatures like the duckbilled platypus could not possible have evolved nor could the human eye. Michael Behe in Darwin's Black Box showed the complex organisms have too many interdependent organs to have evolved step-by-step.

Why would any Christian want to believe in a theory that has massive holes, no evidence and was made up by those that hate the idea of a God? It's a fairy tale of God-haters.

26 posted on 01/26/2002 4:25:51 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Doctor Doom
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Doesn't this sound just like terrorists such as like Bin Laden?!? (or Hillery/Bill Clinton against the "Religous Right"...) So, is it true that anyone claiming that they are acting on God's behalf actually are? Don't think so...

27 posted on 01/26/2002 4:34:19 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: PatrickHenry
You apparently are pretty ignorant of the ideas of Charles Dariwn. Darwin was a racist and has similar ideas to Hitler's:

One of the most important yet least-known aspects of Darwin is his racism: Darwin regarded white Europeans as more "advanced" than other human races. While Darwin presumed that man evolved from ape-like creatures, he surmised that some races developed more than others and that the latter still bore simian features. In his book, The Descent of Man, which he published after The Origin of Species, he boldly commented on "the greater differences between men of distinct races".(1) In his book, Darwin held blacks and Australian Aborigines to be equal to gorillas and then inferred that these would be "done away with" by the "civilised races" in time. He said:

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes... will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.(2)

Killing the weaker (the elderly and handicapped) is also very consistent with the idea of survival of the fitest and Hitler did that before he started trying to create the master race.

Further, Hitler is not the only tryant influenced by Darwin. Darwinism is a foundation of atheism and a foundation of tryannical atheist nations.

Soviet communist leaders like Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin. Trotsky said he was "intoxicated by Darwin's ideas. Stalin rejected Christianity at 19 after reading the works of Darwin.

28 posted on 01/26/2002 4:40:51 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Doctor Doom
"...it is necessary to be a fox to discover the snares and a lion to terrify the wolves. Those who rely simply on the lion do not understand what they are about. Therefore a wise lord cannot, nor ought he to, keep faith when such observance may be turned against him, and when the reasons that caused him to pledge it exist no longer. If men were entirely good this precept would not hold, but because they are bad, and will not keep faith with you, you too are not bound to observe it with them....he who has known best how to employ the fox has succeeded best.

But it is necessary to know well how to disguise this characteristic, and to be a great pretender and dissembler; and men are so simple, and so subject to present necessities, that he who seeks to deceive will always find someone who will allow himself to be deceived.Therefore it is unnecessary for a prince to have all the good qualities I have enumerated, but it is very necessary to appear to have them. And I shall dare to say this also, that to have them and always to observe them is injurious, and that to appear to have them is useful; to appear merciful, faithful, humane, religious, upright, and to be so, but with a mind so framed that should you require not to be so, you may be able and know how to change to the opposite.

And you have to understand this, that a prince, especially a new one, cannot observe all those things for which men are esteemed, being often forced, in order to maintain the state, to act contrary to faith, friendship, humanity, and religion. Therefore it is necessary for him to have a mind ready to turn itself accordingly as the winds and variations of fortune force it, yet, as I have said above, not to diverge from the good if he can avoid doing so, but, if compelled, then to know how to set about it. For this reason a prince ought to take care that he never lets anything slip from his lips that is not replete with the above-named five qualities, that he may appear to him who sees and hears him altogether merciful, faithful, humane, upright, and religious. There is nothing more necessary to appear to have than this last quality, inasmuch as men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, because it belongs to everybody to see you, to few to come in touch with you. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are, and those few dare not oppose themselves to the opinion of the many, who have the majesty of the state to defend them; and in the actions of all men, and especially of princes, which it is not prudent to challenge, one judges by the result."
Machiavelli, The Prince CHAPTER XVIII "Concerning The Way In Which Princes Should Keep Faith"

Hitler knew Machiavelli's teachings well.

30 posted on 01/26/2002 4:45:42 PM PST by Pistias
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To: USAPOWER
Great point! I'm sure Hitler's homosexuality did have a major and negative influence on his life. As did Darwin.
31 posted on 01/26/2002 4:46:17 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky
As usuall, there will always be people that say they are Christians who are not. Christ even warned us about them saying they will come to Him crying Lord, Lord, and He will deny knowing them. There are many in pews every Sunday that have no idea they are doomed, but claim Christ. By the same token, there are pagans, communists, and Nazi's who call themselves, progressives, liberals, and Democrats. You will know them by their fruit. A Christian that helps a needy family is not a liberal and a liberal that helps a needy family is not a Christian. God knows their hearts.

There have been more people murdered in the name of God, than for any other reason, when the reality is money, power, and greed. Joshua, David, and Gideon, all killed in the name of God, because He said so. The Anti-Christ will murder in the name of God and the world will once again follow. We must know the Heart of God to know the difference.

32 posted on 01/26/2002 5:04:39 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Ol' Sparky
Further, Hitler is not the only tryant influenced by Darwin. Darwinism is a foundation of atheism and a foundation of tryannical atheist nations. Soviet communist leaders like Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin. Trotsky said he was "intoxicated by Darwin's ideas. Stalin rejected Christianity at 19 after reading the works of Darwin.

Okay, okay. Hitler, Stalin ... I get it. Probably Idi Amin too. There is no evil in the world you won't attribute to poor ol' Darwin. This is one of those times when I just have to recognize that further debate is truly hopeless. I withdraw from our little dialogue. Not intellectually beaten, just stunned by the utter hopelessness of conversing with you. Go in peace.

33 posted on 01/26/2002 5:36:08 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Ol' Sparky
Darwinism is a foundation of atheism.... [snip]

Oh, so there were no Atheists prior to Darwin's Theory of Evolution?

You might want to replace those batteries in your "fact checker".....

34 posted on 01/26/2002 5:36:28 PM PST by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry
There is no evil in the world you [Ol' Sparky] won't attribute to poor ol' Darwin. This is one of those times when I just have to recognize that further debate is truly hopeless.

Why didn't you know, Darwin is responsible for the eruption of Krakatoa, the Johnstown Flood, the Influenza outbreak of 1919, and the Curse of the Bambino on the Reds Sox. Darwin's evil theory made the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse, allowed the Japs to bomb Pearl Harbor, and is suspected of being the underlying cause of a multitude of horrible diseases, including mumps, stuttering, vericose veins, youthful errors, hernia, tuberculosis, halitosis, and falling down the stairs or your money back....

It's all so very simple, when you strive to be very simple.

35 posted on 01/26/2002 5:44:20 PM PST by longshadow
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To: BenF
"Didn't hatred of Jews, sanctified by various Churches and religious leaders, lay the groundwork for Nazism?"

Uh, dude, did hatred of the Jews start in Europe with the Church? Like, maybe, pagan Rome, (& the Egyptians before)want some credit, too?

36 posted on 01/26/2002 5:44:38 PM PST by pollwatcher
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To: Doctor Doom
How ironic that hitlers propaganda is more important to you than his actions.
37 posted on 01/26/2002 5:46:26 PM PST by PuNcH
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To: Doctor Doom,ALL
You should understand that all of the so-called 'professions' of Christianity by Adolf were about as sincere as Clinton's. I like the following early evaluation of the Rutgers project by David Shiflett click here for direct link at National Review Online.

And for posterity's sake, as I haven't found it archived in a thread here yet, I will include it here:

Dave Shiflett on NRO

You Mean Hitler Wasn’t A Priest?
The truth is, in fact, out there.

Dave Shiflett is coauthor of Christianity on Trial.
January 21, 2001 8:40 a.m.

 

shocking story has been revealed: Adolf Hitler was not a Christian after all. Instead, he hoped to destroy Christianity. This news flash comes courtesy of a group of students at Rutgers University School of Law at Camden, who have posted papers on a website detailing Hitler's desire to eradicate Christianity. The documents are from the archives of Gen. William J. Donovan and were originally prepared for the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, so we can safely assume they are authentic.

To be sure, Hitler's antagonism toward Christianity will not be news to everyone. That its central figure hails from a Jewish family did not set well with him, and its teachings of universal love ran contrary to his violent precepts. Yet one could easily get the impression, these days, that Hitler believed himself to be something of an altar boy on a mission for God.

The Rutgers project's editor, for example, seems to have been taken a bit by surprise. Julie Seltzer Mandel told the Philadelphia Enquirer that "When people think about the Holocaust, they think about the crimes against Jews, but here's a different perspective." The Nazis, she says, "wanted to eliminate the Jews altogether, but they were also looking to eliminate Christianity."

That will unsettle those who have been taught that Hitler was a Christian of some stripe — and indeed, by some accountings, an enthusiastic Catholic. Bill Clinton, for example, said at the 1999 National Prayer Breakfast that "I do believe that even though Adolf Hitler preached a perverted form of Christianity, God did not want him to prevail." Meanwhile, at the United States Memorial Holocaust Museum, a film portrayed Hitler as an overzealous son of Rome. "Enter Adolf Hitler," the narrator intoned, "Austrian born and baptized a Catholic." Hitler's mission: "In defending myself against the Jews," he is quoted as saying, "I am acting for the Lord. The difference between the Church and me is that I am finishing the job."

That film was altered after protests by, among others, conservative Jewish writers. But the same message crops up elsewhere. Soon after the September 11 attacks, a spokeswoman for the Freedom From Religion organization pronounced Hitler a Catholic. In 1999, Maureen Dowd included Hitler as yet another Christian zealot. According to Dowd, "History teaches that when religion is injected into politics — the Crusades, Henry VIII, Salem, Father Coughlin, Hitler, Kosovo — disaster follows."

Hitler was indeed a baptized Catholic, but his rejection of the faith was profound. "My pedagogy is strict," he once explained. "I want a powerful, masterly, cruel and fearless youth... There must be nothing weak or tender about them. The freedom and dignity of the wild beast must shine from their eyes... That is how I will root out a thousand years of human domestication."

That domestication, of course, was in large part due to the influence of Christianity. Hitler was blunter still on other occasions. "It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity," he said in 1933, "because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood." His countrymen would have to choose: "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both."

Indeed, he understood all too well that Christianity, in the long run, was his enemy. "Pure Christianity — the Christianity of the catacombs — is concerned with translating the Christian doctrine into fact. It leads simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely wholehearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." Switch a few words around and you'd think you were listening to Joseph Stalin. And like Stalin, Hitler believed history was on his side: "Do you really believe the masses will ever be Christian again? Nonsense. Never again. The tale is finished... but we can hasten matters. The parsons will be made to dig their own graves."

That promise was to come true in a frightful number of cases. Polish Christians felt the full force of the persecution, as historian John Morley reminds us. "In Poland, both Jews and Christians were objects of Nazi oppression and manipulation." The clergy were a chief target: "In West Prussia, out of 690 parish priests, at least two-thirds were arrested, and the remainder escaped only by fleeing from their parishes. After a month's imprisonment, no less than 214 of these priests were executed... by the end of 1940 only twenty priests were left in their parishes — about three percent of the number of parish priests in the pre-war era." The toll of murdered Polish priests would rise into the thousands; their Protestant counterparts (though a much smaller group) fared no better, with many members of the clergy perishing in the camps.

The Rutgers site's presentation is entitled "The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches," and it notes a deep hatred of Christianity throughout the higher echelons. "Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion." Their assault was massive: "Different steps in that persecution, such as the campaign for the suppression of denominational and youth organizations, the campaign against denominational schools, the defamation campaign against the clergy, started on the same day in the whole area of the Reich... and were supported by the entire regimented press, by Nazi Party meetings, by traveling party speakers."

None of which is to suggest that Christians were uniformly opposed to Hitler, or that some did not actually embrace the Reich. The lesson from Rutgers, however, is that Hitler was no altar boy, acting on behalf of the Christian faith. Indeed, his hope was to be its undertaker — which was another of his profound miscalculations, and should not be forgotten today.


38 posted on 01/26/2002 5:57:40 PM PST by Paul Ross
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To: Pistias
Thank you for that excellent reminder about Hitler's conceptual framework for struggle incorporating Machiavelli's doctrine of duplicity!
39 posted on 01/26/2002 6:04:32 PM PST by Paul Ross
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To: Paul Ross
Perhaps you shouldn't thank me. The value of exposing Hitler's duplicity may be far outweighed by exposing people who know nothing of Machiavelli to him (though nowadays it's hard to be ignorant of his teachings, and Nietzsches's, since so much of our world is influenced by or accepting of them...and a portion of their evil is in the seeds sown in every soul, I suppose...)/rant.
40 posted on 01/26/2002 6:10:49 PM PST by Pistias
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