Posted on 02/21/2014 10:14:48 AM PST by ebb tide
Why does this make me nervous?
But he asked them to arrive early so that they could spend time discussing one of Francis’ signature themes: shifting the church’s approach on controversial topics like divorce and remarriage, cohabitation, gay marriage and contraception.
Fran........wrong will never be right. Flexibility is for Gumby.
Because he seems willing to dilute Catholic teaching?
I am not even a Roman Catholic and this pope makes me nervous.
Having such a “conversation” is just telegraphing what he REALLY wants to do: Compromise God’s teachings.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Bingo.
Jesuits will jesuit.
Makes it sound as though the Church's social justice mission is paramount, while doctrine is just a pesky distraction to a community organizing "people's church" in which social outreach trumps the mission for the salvation of souls.
“only what is true can ultimately be pastoral”
I hope the outcome is very serious pressure on parish priests to actually prepare couples for Catholic marriage, not look the other way at co-habiting and other accommodations to worldliness, such as intent to have just one or two children in order to maintain a certain standard of living, or to keep partying like they are single.
Catholics are supposed to live right and make it last and be unselfish and affectionate in their marriages. Priests can’t just say “at least they’re getting married in church”. Marriage is for mature people, and priests who want to be “nice” are doing couples a disservice by soft-pedaling what God is asking of us, and not explaining why such effort is totally worth it, because it offers a truly happy and lasting marriage.
And all I can keep thinking is : Why is this even on the table?
It amazes me that there was once a time I would watch that show to get the Truth.
“And all I can keep thinking is : Why is this even on the table?”
Indeed. I would like to point out something to all Freepers that I have not found referred to on this site.
First, piusv, let me remind you of an article YOU posted regarding the REMOVAL of Cardinal Burke from his position on the Congregation for the Cause of Saints.
(You remember this, I’m sure, but I am posting the link for others.)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3103487/posts
OK, to me at least and perhaps to others, at first glance it could simply mean that Cardinal Burke is out of favor, and this is a little bit of Vatican Romanita.
However, quite apart from that sideshow and without thinking about the story above on the congregation, a question came to my mind. I know little about John XXIII, but some of the things I’ve read led me to be surprised that he was in line for sainthood.
Sooo ... I thought I’d do a little search on the 3 miracles attributed to John XXIII for his canonization which is to take place April 27 along with Pope John Paul II.
Well, guess what ...
“Francis also decided Friday to canonize another pope, John XXIII, even though there HAS BEEN NO SECOND MIRACLE (caps mine) attributed to his intercession. The Vatican said Francis approved a decision by cardinals and bishops.”
Repeat — NO SECOND MIRACLE, and of course no THIRD miracle either.
Source: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/vatican-announces-popes-john-paul-ii-john-xxiii-to-be-canonized/
It appears that Pope Francis has hijacked the process to rebuff those who were trying to rectify the mistakes made during and after Vatican II. Cardinal Burke may have been trying to defend the PROCESS FOR CANONIZATION, IMHO.
April 27 may be an interesting day at the Vatican.
Not that I disagree with your post, but I guess I’m unsure of the connection between the current thread and the older one.
Or maybe I’m just dense. ;-)
Move along, nothing to see here. Nothing changes in Catholic Social Doctrine. They might get rid of some red tape in the annulment process but noting else. Dogma is dogma.
Which is it: Doctrine or Dogma?
And what in the heck is “Social Doctrine”?
As far as annulments, I’ve already seen your knowledge of that subject.
Up until Francis, popes didn’t put doctrine on the table. He’s doing his best to lessen the primacy of the papacy in deference to “collegiality”.
He needs many prayers.
You’re point is well-taken.
I am keeping in mind what I believe Bishop O’Malley said, in that we need to hold on to our seats regarding the main point of the actions about to be taken here in your posted article.
MY tenuous point here is that there may be in the offing from this article you posted some ill-advised changes that are not really being ‘discussed’ but in reality are about to be foisted upon us. A fait accompli, if you will, made easier to swallow by a ‘council of advisors’ who with a wink and a nod pretend to hash out an agenda which was agreed to beforehand. A stage opera with bad acting but no singing.
The ham-handed canonization of John XXIII, being done ‘at the advice of cardinals and bishops’ could possibly be illicit. This I am not sure of. However, I do see it as an indication that this papacy is playing fast and loose with serious important issues (here, canonization) and that it does not portend well for the Church.
I did not make that connection well before, and I may not have done so here either. My apologies.
Doctrine, dogma. One in the same. Francis is not changing anything that is dogma of the Church. That means abortion, marriage and no women priests. He also is not letting divorced people receive communion unless they get an annulment. The Bible is clear. One marriage is all you are allowed to have. Might as well be written in stone. He could relax the annulment procedures.
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