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To: ebb tide

Doctrine, dogma. One in the same. Francis is not changing anything that is dogma of the Church. That means abortion, marriage and no women priests. He also is not letting divorced people receive communion unless they get an annulment. The Bible is clear. One marriage is all you are allowed to have. Might as well be written in stone. He could relax the annulment procedures.


20 posted on 02/21/2014 4:30:48 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I never went to college, I was too busy learning stuff!" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: NKP_Vet
Doctrine, dogma. One in the same.

That's not technically correct. Dogma is solemnly defined truth, doctrine is teaching. But beyond that I'm not sure how much more relaxed the annulment procedures could be, the last I heard 80% of the world's annulments come from the 5% of Catholics who live in the US.

22 posted on 02/21/2014 4:49:14 PM PST by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: NKP_Vet
He could relax the annulment procedures.

He could no more legitimately do that than he could relax the Ten Commandments, which is really what he's trying to do (see the Sixth Commandment).

The juridical term annulment used for marriages means that the marriage that had been celebrated, recognized, and lasted for some time actually was not valid. This is an extremely grave sentence that cannot be given superficially for several reasons:

The union had been celebrated by the parties according to all the Catholic requirements, before God, and witnessed by the representative of His Church.

The union had been accepted by society as a true marriage, which means that the couple was known for living an honest conjugal life, and not in illicit concubinage.

The stability of the family life, principally of the wife and children, had been guaranteed by the Catholic certainty that the matrimonial bond would never be broken.

These characteristics of the Catholic marriage are thrown out the window when an annulment is issued: the vows declared before God and the Church are considered void; the union is declared illegitimate, equivalent to a concubinage, and finally, the family life is completely broken with all the psychological and social consequences this entails. It is indeed a sentence disruptive of the life of the family and indirectly of all social life.

It is evident that to issue such a sentence, a tribunal must have very serious reasons and only do so very rarely.

Are Present Day Annulments To Be Taken Seriously?

And you want to "relax" the procedure?

26 posted on 02/21/2014 5:02:09 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: NKP_Vet
Not really the same:

Does Dogma Evolve?

Dogmas of the Catholic Church [Catholic Caucus]
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] Our Lady and Dogmas: Pondering the Assumption (Launch of Rosary Crusade)
[CATHOLIC/FRIENDS CAUCUS] This dogmatic denunciation of dogma sponsored by a disorganized...
Preserved Sinless from the Moment of Humanity (Dogma of the Immaculate Conception) [Catholic Caucus]
The Decline of Dogma and the Decline of Church Membership
The Three D's -- Dogma, Doctrine and Discipline [Ecumenical]
Radio Replies First Volume - Dogma and reason
Radio Replies First Volume - Development of dogma
Docility (on Catholic dogma and infallibility)
Ineffabilis Deus: 8 December 1854 (Dogma of the Immaculate Conception)

59 posted on 02/21/2014 8:02:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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