For only a prepaid $50 more, you'll be able to supersize you annulment and get your second annulment free, at no extra charge. Just fill in the blanks and mail it in. How''s that for streamlining?
Posted on 02/21/2014 10:14:48 AM PST by ebb tide
Well, considering his absolute lack of desire to convert atheists, Jews, Muslims, etc, to the True Faith, all that’s left is socialism.
That's not technically correct. Dogma is solemnly defined truth, doctrine is teaching. But beyond that I'm not sure how much more relaxed the annulment procedures could be, the last I heard 80% of the world's annulments come from the 5% of Catholics who live in the US.
I agree with you, married, and believe that much of the rash of catholic divorces has been directly caused by marriages that should never have taken place, or were improperly prepared for, mine included. Many couples who are not really ready to enter into the sacrament of marriage are allowed to for a myriad of superficial reasons, so they will not be “living in sin”, because I don’t think the Church believes that it can say ‘no’ or ‘not yet’ anymore.
Non-catholic and even Catholic marriages can be ‘valid but non-sacramental’, which is a concept I just became aware of in researching for my own annulment...and which is incomprehensible to me. I have been trying to find out how old this designation is, because I have suspicions that it is a relatively modern attempt to make the Church seem ‘nicer’ to those who would otherwise be considered to be ‘living in sin’ because they married outside of the Catholic church. Whether or not a non-catholic marriage is accepted by God is a deeper question, but this extension of the Catholic church into more marriages and the allowing of more Catholic marriages that should never have taken place has greatly increased the number of marriages that are likely to fail because they lack the blessings of the Sacrament or were truly null from the onset.
I do believe the annulment process is confusing and cumbersome. I think the effort to ‘defend the bond’ of marriage may have become a bit overzealous and could use some modification, especially in the circumstance of ‘non-sacramental’ marriages. I hope this is among the subjects to be discussed during the conferences.
That said, I take everything I read about Pope Francis with a grain of salt...every time there is some great hype about how he is going to ‘liberalize’ some aspect of the church, he comes down solidly on the side of tradition, and injects a great deal of love into the process.
Just my 2 cents, (ok, I rambled...more like 49 cents)
Love,
O2
Doctrine has not been put on the table. Pope’s can’t change settled doctrine. Francis ain’t changing anything. Please quit worrying about it. He couldn’t even if he wanted to. On matters of moral and faith the Pope is infallible, which means he makes no errors. In other words all the Popes that came before Francis were also incapable of making error.
Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error[1] “when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church”.[2]
I am specifically talking about streamlining the process. It can take years to get an annulment. That needs to change. And I think it will.
He could no more legitimately do that than he could relax the Ten Commandments, which is really what he's trying to do (see the Sixth Commandment).
The juridical term annulment used for marriages means that the marriage that had been celebrated, recognized, and lasted for some time actually was not valid. This is an extremely grave sentence that cannot be given superficially for several reasons:
The union had been celebrated by the parties according to all the Catholic requirements, before God, and witnessed by the representative of His Church.
The union had been accepted by society as a true marriage, which means that the couple was known for living an honest conjugal life, and not in illicit concubinage.
The stability of the family life, principally of the wife and children, had been guaranteed by the Catholic certainty that the matrimonial bond would never be broken.
These characteristics of the Catholic marriage are thrown out the window when an annulment is issued: the vows declared before God and the Church are considered void; the union is declared illegitimate, equivalent to a concubinage, and finally, the family life is completely broken with all the psychological and social consequences this entails. It is indeed a sentence disruptive of the life of the family and indirectly of all social life.
It is evident that to issue such a sentence, a tribunal must have very serious reasons and only do so very rarely.
Are Present Day Annulments To Be Taken Seriously?
And you want to "relax" the procedure?
You still seem to be confused on the differences between doctrine, dogma and papal infallibility. Hang in there, you’ll catch on.
It can also be over in a matter of months. The real problem is on the front end with people who have no business getting married slipstreaming through the pre-Cana programs. But just think about it...
Each diocese has a tribunal that handles all the requests, if you spread the numbers out evenly it's like each tribunal handles one case per day... 50k successful declarations of nullity per year spread out over 150 tribunals. That's assuming no weekends off too I think, I'm just doing the numbers in my head. Considering all the prep that goes into the average wedding these days I'd like to hope that at least 8 hours can be spent determining whether the bond is sacramental or not.
I hope Francis does.
For only a prepaid $50 more, you'll be able to supersize you annulment and get your second annulment free, at no extra charge. Just fill in the blanks and mail it in. How''s that for streamlining?
It’s all politics.
No way JP II should be canonized, when tens of thousands of Catholic children were raped and molested under his watch, and he turned a blind eye.
It never hurts to pray for miracles. It’s part of Faith.
Looks like we’ll need a few. I’m a prayin’.
I am not confused about anything, but I also don’t worry about the Pope changing anything to with morals and faith. Not going to happen. The infallibility sentence I posted was taken directly off wikipedia. I didn’t make it up.
Right! Just ask the Kennedys how it’s done.
When I’m talking about streamlining procedures I am talking about 6 months to a year to finalize an annulment, the length of time the priest told me and wife it was going to take when she put in for hers. It took almost two years. All it was was red-tape. I am not talking about the requirements of the annulment process.
“No way JP II should be canonized, when tens of thousands of Catholic children were raped and molested under his watch, and he turned a blind eye”.
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