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[Cardinal] Dolan: Catholic Church needs better outreach to gays
The Politico ^ | March 31, 2013 | Tim Mak

Posted on 03/31/2013 8:43:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Cardinal Timothy Dolan acknowledged on Sunday that there was still much to do to make the church welcoming to gay and lesbian Catholics.

"We gotta do better to see that our defense of marriage is not reduced to an attack on gay people. And I admit, we haven't been too good at that. We try our darndest to make sure we're not an anti-anybody," he said in an interview to be aired Sunday on ABC's "This Week.".

But the archbishop of New York said he wasn't sure how that outreach might work.

"I don't know. We're still trying. We're trying our best to do it. We got to listen to people," he said. "Jesus died on the cross for them as much as he did for me."(continued)

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: cardinaldolan; catholics; homosexualagenda; samesexmarriage

1 posted on 03/31/2013 8:43:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
With all respect due to your office, Cardinal Dolan...

You're an ass.

2 posted on 03/31/2013 8:48:11 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cardinal shut up


4 posted on 03/31/2013 8:50:06 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Keep in mind, outreach to gays doesn't mean that he endorsed gay marriage or anything else.

It's in line with the Hate-the-Sin, Love-the-Sinner philosophy. You can accept people for who they are, rather than condemn them for what they've done. We're all sinners, and we all seek forgiveness.

Tolerance has always been an important message, but tolerance does not mean acceptance or saying "Run along and go do what you want."

5 posted on 03/31/2013 8:50:29 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Westbrook; yldstrk

Did you read the article before commenting? Or are you reacting to a title that’s written to elicit such a response.


6 posted on 03/31/2013 8:52:37 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Agreed. However, “tolerance” has been twisted into meaning “acceptance” and “endorsement” by so many today.


7 posted on 03/31/2013 8:53:35 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a sickening feeling that there are elements at the highest levels of power within the church that are getting dangerously close to ‘softening’ (i.e., ‘caving’) on some or all of the issues that the atheistic media has been hammering away at for all these decades (e.g., gays, abortion, women priests, contraception, you name it). I hope and pray that I’m wrong, but the counter-revolution of JP2 and B16 may indeed be over. It’s starting to look like the ‘60s and early ‘70s all over again, where everything is up for grabs and a revolution is brewing. Get ready for Vatican 3. God help us.


8 posted on 03/31/2013 8:53:57 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Cdl Dolan, your job is not to 'attack' people suffering from disordered sexual attractions.

Your job is to tell them the Truth. Your job is to call them to repentance and conversion. Your job is to lead them to freedom from sin and to saving Faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Your job is to tell them that two men cannot marry each other. And that two women cannot marry each other.

Your job, Cardinal Dolan, IS TO TELL SELF-SO-CALLED 'GAY' PEOPLE THAT SODOMY IS WRONG. THAT THEY ARE DEDICATING THEMSELVES TO A LIFESTYLE OF SIN. THAT THEY ARE ON A HIGHWAY TO HELL.

If they don't like it, that's their problem.

But you do them no favors, if you don't do your JOB!

9 posted on 03/31/2013 8:56:07 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mr Dolan is a fool and a tool of the Devil


10 posted on 03/31/2013 8:57:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Tanniker Smith

“welcoming ga and lesbian Catholics” is an endorsment of the homo agenda


11 posted on 03/31/2013 8:57:47 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Tanniker Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqkTzS02hDo

Cardinal Dolan is probably one of the homomafia or being blackmailed by them, (Fr. Oko’s report).

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” G.K. Chesterton

The Catholic Church is NOT about “feelings”; It is about the Truth and saving souls. Homosexuality is an abomination.


12 posted on 03/31/2013 9:01:53 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dolan allowed Steponallofus to set the terms of the discussion.

What Dolan should have done is repeat the Church’s teaching that all deliberate seeking of sexual pleasure, except by a man and woman who are married to each other, is grave matter. This is not going to change. It has nothing to do with fictitious GROUPS of people.

The Church IS ALWAYS TOTALLY WELCOMING OF SINNERS. EVERYONE is always welcome to come to church for confession and absolution. There are absolutely NO BARRIERS keeping anyone from doing so.


13 posted on 03/31/2013 9:04:35 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I must defend Cardinal Dolan here. He is speaking of love for one’s brother. Do not confuse the sinner with the sin.
I know too many good, good people who struggle with their sexuality.
I believe he is appealing to the individual, not the lobby.


14 posted on 03/31/2013 9:09:18 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gays make up just 3% of the population, but our society is obsessed with making sure they are happy in every way.

Many churches have the rainbow flag hanging in front to show they are fans of this tiny group that is so proud of their sins. It just doesn’t make any sense.


15 posted on 03/31/2013 9:13:14 PM PDT by MNDude (I survived the sequester!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When did it become wrong to be anti- things you disagree with, for Pete sake??


16 posted on 03/31/2013 9:14:51 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

November 4, 2008. Any other questions?


17 posted on 03/31/2013 9:17:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: savagesusie

Thank you for mentioning Fr. Oko’s report. I was not aware of it.


18 posted on 03/31/2013 10:16:45 PM PDT by miele man
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To: Tanniker Smith

Please explain what the proper outreach to gays would be?

Reserve special pews for them in church? Perhaps gay bingo?


19 posted on 03/31/2013 10:21:01 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Well written.


20 posted on 03/31/2013 10:44:29 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

We all struggle with sin. The Church offers forgiveness through the Sacrament of Reconciliation and no one is sent away.


21 posted on 03/31/2013 10:44:29 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: pleasenotcalifornia

Thank you.

And welcome to FR.


22 posted on 03/31/2013 10:55:53 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dolan’s duty is to preach the gospel to all people even to Gays. Dolan better get back to reading the his Bible and what Jesus/God taught rather than trying to be the greatest TV talk religious personality and not a Godly servant.


23 posted on 04/01/2013 1:31:30 AM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: Tanniker Smith

ya got me I didn’t bother. Cardinal Dolan is a political animal and I am not a fan


24 posted on 04/01/2013 2:19:47 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perhaps the Church could also do a better job reaching out to adulterers. I imagine a lot of them feel unwelcome when the Church says their behavior is neither in accordance with God’s will nor moral and may even be objectively harmful to them personally in this life. Suppressing that part of scripture, or maybe even endorsing the opposite, would make adulterers feel much more welcome. How about it, Cardinal Dolan?


25 posted on 04/01/2013 2:23:31 AM PDT by Pollster1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey Cardinal....the outreach to GAYS coming into the Priesthood ALMOST DESTROYED THE CHURCH!!! GO PRAY!!

It's called FORNICATION and GOD DOESN"T LIKE US DOING IT!

26 posted on 04/01/2013 2:52:18 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: savagesusie
"Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions"...G. K. Chesterton

AMEN!! WHY should we TOLERATE EVIL??

27 posted on 04/01/2013 3:26:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: yldstrk

Cardinal Dolan is a back-slapping, glad-handing pol who should never have been chosen Cardinal. How I long for the days of the great Cardinal O’Connor.


28 posted on 04/01/2013 3:49:03 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: ReformationFan

A good start might be with the Priests.


29 posted on 04/01/2013 3:56:42 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: miss marmelstein

how, we long for the days of Jesus...without the man made entourage of fools.


30 posted on 04/01/2013 4:01:52 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: miss marmelstein

yep


31 posted on 04/01/2013 4:23:23 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: GeronL

Sounds like he’s caving to the satan in the WH. Totally disappointing. He should be taking a firm stand on the issue.


32 posted on 04/01/2013 4:25:08 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Ouchthatonehurt
Do not confuse the sinner with the sin.

Sounds like, "Don't confuse the murderer with the murder."

33 posted on 04/01/2013 4:25:53 AM PDT by Daffy
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To: 353FMG
To answer your first question: Inclusion, not exclusion.

The other questions don't merit answers.

34 posted on 04/01/2013 7:13:45 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: yldstrk
Cardinal Dolan is a political animal and I am not a fan

I'll grant you that. Sadly, the Church needs a few of those, too. I was surprised anyone thought that he was a serious contender for the top job.

35 posted on 04/01/2013 7:14:53 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: 353FMG
Please explain what the proper outreach to gays would be? Reserve special pews for them in church? Perhaps gay bingo?

Good questions. The Church's teaching is perfectly clear, and for those who refuse to listen, artificial "outreach" efforts merely encourage them in their sinful behavior and embolden them to push for further concessions.

"For it is a people that provoketh to wrath, and lying children, children that will not hear the law of God.

Who say to the seers: See not: and to them that behold: Behold not for us those things that are right: speak unto us pleasant things, see errors for us.

Take away from me the way, turn away the path from me, let the Holy One of Israel cease from before us". - Isaiah 30: 9-11

Cardinal Dolan might do better to stay off the secular talk shows, and instead lead his archdiocese in public prayer for the conversion of sinners.

36 posted on 04/01/2013 8:06:13 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I agree.

And when the reaching out is done, make sure to remind them that the sin is an abomination before the Lord.

37 posted on 04/01/2013 8:07:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: Ann Archy

That is why “Tolerance” is elevated above all other Virtues (which is evil)-—like Truth, Wisdom, Justice, etc. It is to allow evil to flourish-—whether killing babies, sodomizing others, theft from the producers to support laziness and sloth.

No Virtue can be eliminated for another—they ALL are equally as “Good”.

We are flipping Good and Evil in the minds of children with “Tolerance” and “Diversity”. Diversity is saying that all ideas and cultures are equal. It is radical Marxism which inculcates the “secular humanism” into children, even “Christian” children. That idea makes “judging” between two ideas, evil. In other words, if you use Reason and Logic-—it is Evil.

It is to destroy the concept of “Good and Evil” in children-—to destroy Christian ethics and promote vice which will collapse civil society.


38 posted on 04/01/2013 9:52:35 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: miele man

It is illuminating and profound. The immaturity of the homosexuals always leads to brutality-—whether in the Samurai, Spartans, Nazi Brownshirts, Bolsheviks, and John Maynard Keynes (Sugar Keynes at Harvard) and the elites at Harvard in early 1900’s.

We see this evil fascism in the homosexual manifesto in the 80’s. They warned us about the takeover of our children. Homosexuals are intrinsically disordered—caused by childhood physical or emotional trauma. When they embrace their evil-—it is a total evil distortion of reality. Sodomy is always a Vice.

http://www.forthechildreninc.com/issues/homosexuality/TheAgenda/InTheirOwnWords.html


39 posted on 04/01/2013 9:59:32 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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