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Will 'any ole' 'Jesus' do? (Two Mormon leaders clamor 'no'; and I agree with that!) [Part 1]
Colofornian (Vanity) | Nov. 13, 2012 | Colofornian

Posted on 11/13/2012 5:08:21 AM PST by Colofornian

Introductory Chart

The 'Mormon' Jesus vs. the Jesus of the Bible: From Eternity Past to Present

Question at hand:

If a 'counterfeit' person was using your name online -- and has some attributes similar to you -- does it make it 'you' if it's 'close enough?'

Mormon Leader General Premises about 'Jesus' we actually agree with! Summary or Scriptural Summary
LDS "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie essentially answered the question before the development of the Internet world: "A false Christ is NOT a person. It is a false system of worship, a false church, a false cult that says, 'Lo, here is salvation, here is the doctrine of Christ. Come and believe thus and so, and ye shall be saved.' It is any concept or philosophy that says that redemption, salvation, sanctification, justification, and all of the promised rewards can be gained in any way except that set forth by the [LDS] apostles and prophets." (Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah: The Second Coming of the Son of Man, p. 48) You know, there actually are times we agree with the general premises (but not specific applications) of Mormon leaders like Bruce McConkie! And, even though McConkie was referencing all those outside of Mormonism --ya gotta understand that the Lds church teaches that their church is "the only true and living church on the face of the earth" (Lds Doctrines & Covenants 1:30)-- what McConkie says does apply to false systems, false churches, and false cults!
Therefore, citing Mormon leaders above & below: How important is it that people don't "misunderstand" who Jesus is? The New Testament discusses 'another Jesus' (2 Corinthians 11:3-4)...2 Cor. 11:4 -- "For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached..."
Per this BYU prof, 'tis very important we don't 'know' another Jesus! "There is NO SALVATION in false doctrine, NO REDEEMING POWER IN MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST." (BYU associate professor W. Jeffrey Marsh, "Doctrine of Christ restored to the world," Church News, Jan. 3, 2004, p. 6) 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Jesus, Matthew 24:23-24)
Per Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie:
* "There is no such thing as gaining salvation from a false god, or by conforming to a false plan of salvation, or through membership in a false church." (Lds Official magazine Ensign (Conference edition), "The Caravan Moves On," Nov.1984, p. 83)
*"There is no salvation in believing any false doctrine, particularly a false or unwise view about the Godhead or any of its members. Eternal life is reserved for those who know God and the One whom he sent to work out the infinite and eternal atonement." ("Our Relationship with the Lord," in Fireside and Devotional Speeches, 1981-82 (Provo: BYU Press, 1982), p. 97 -- this quote republished in official Lds curricula publication in 1983, 1986, Come unto Christ: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1984/1988, p. 45)
* "True and saving worship is found ONLY among those who know the truth about God and the Godhead, and who undertand the true relationship men should have with each member of that Eternal Presidency." ("Our Relationship with the Lord," in Fireside and Devotional Speeches, 1981-82 (Provo: BYU Press, 1982), p. 97 -- this quote republished in official Lds curricula publication in 1983, 1986, Come unto Christ: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1984/1988, p. 45)
"And this is life eternal, that they might know knee THE ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (Jesus, John 17:3) [Even Lds "Doctrines & Covenants has 'stolen' a similar saying:] "This is eternal lives--to know THE ONLY wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent..." (D&C 132:24)

Bottom line to above: Mormons might have you believe that embracing "any ole' Jesus" will do...

But you know what?
...The five quotes above -- four from an Lds "apostle" who had the temerity to write a book called "Mormon Doctrine"...
...+ a BYU prof...
...All don't agree with such an assumption...

[STAY TUNED FOR PART II]


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bigot; giveitarest; inman; jesus; lds; mormonjesus; mormons; obsession; romneylostmoveon; vanity
From the article: If a 'counterfeit' person was using your name online -- and has some attributes similar to you -- does it make it 'you' if it's 'close enough?'... LDS "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie essentially answered the question before the development of the Internet world: "A false Christ is NOT a person. It is a false system of worship, a false church, a false cult that says, 'Lo, here is salvation, here is the doctrine of Christ. Come and believe thus and so, and ye shall be saved.' It is any concept or philosophy that says that redemption, salvation, sanctification, justification, and all of the promised rewards can be gained in any way except that set forth by the [LDS] apostles and prophets."

The relevance? Even Lds leaders claim that the Mormon Jesus and the Jesus of Christians is not "interchangeable"...IoW, He's not the same "Being."

1 posted on 11/13/2012 5:08:22 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Yeah. My Grandmother was a Backwoods Baptist. She had no use for those Missionary Baptists. All going straight to hell she always said. And don’t even ask about Catholics.

I don’t think she really even believed in Jews.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 5:16:21 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Colofornian

Is this available all together on a website? I’d like to link it to our article: http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/ex-mormon-testimony


3 posted on 11/13/2012 5:27:17 AM PST by grumpa
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To: Colofornian

This must be the phase of losing where we attack our losing candidate.

So don’t leave me out.

Anyone who thought Mitt Romney was a Christian, doesn’t know Mormons or Christianity. But let me ask you this: who has conducted their lives more like a proper Christian, Obama or Romney?


4 posted on 11/13/2012 5:39:50 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd
But let me ask you this: who has conducted their lives more like a proper Christian, Obama or Romney?

(Hey, comparing people to Obama religiously can begin to make them look like Mother Teresa!)

But, hey, I didn't know you thought so highly of (a) people who think they are gods in embryo...personally, I think that's a bit much in prideful arrogance;
(b) Those who have promoted abortion for at least 18 four political campaigns...and expanded taxpayer-funded abortion in MA;
(c) Even the Mormon church owned Deseret News railed vs. him in July of 07 for being a long-time board member of Marriott -- taking in $25,000 a year -- all as Marriott raked in $ from porn... (the DesNews headline was "The nasty taint of porn")

(Not exactly your typical GoP POTUS poster boy)

5 posted on 11/13/2012 5:51:33 AM PST by Colofornian (“...those outside the Church who say Lds do not believe in the traditional Christ. No I don't."-GH)
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To: grumpa

Just link to FR here...tho it’ll entail 4 links...
(Not yet combined on a site)


6 posted on 11/13/2012 5:55:21 AM PST by Colofornian (“...those outside the Church who say Lds do not believe in the traditional Christ. No I don't."-GH)
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To: JoeDetweiler; jjotto; Yehuda
I don’t think she really even believed in Jews.<

:)

7 posted on 11/13/2012 7:00:59 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Colofornian

No, I don’t think highly of Mormons. I never said anything of the sort. So keep your smarmy comments to yourself.

Romney was the botom of the barrel choice of GOP candidates for me. I was not happy to see him win the GOP nomination because of his flip-flop on abortion, his status as the Father of gay marriage in the US, his support of socialized medicine, and his religion.

The only thing interesting about your post is its timing. Your’s is the first to pile on.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 7:47:03 AM PST by kidd
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To: Colofornian

No, I don’t think highly of Mormons. I never said anything of the sort. So keep your smarmy comments to yourself.

Romney was the botom of the barrel choice of GOP candidates for me. I was not happy to see him win the GOP nomination because of his flip-flop on abortion, his status as the Father of gay marriage in the US, his support of socialized medicine, and his religion.

The only thing interesting about your post is its timing. Your’s is the first to pile on.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 7:47:17 AM PST by kidd
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To: Colofornian

THX 1138
Wonder how many people will realize this discussion is in the religion forum.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 7:55:01 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colofornian

May I ask as to what church you belong to?


11 posted on 11/13/2012 8:44:45 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach

I’m an evangelical


12 posted on 11/13/2012 9:43:28 AM PST by Colofornian (“...those outside the Church who say Lds do not believe in the traditional Christ. No I don't."-GH)
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To: MeOnTheBeach; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; SENTINEL; SZonian

I’m an Evangelical and an Ex-Mormon.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 10:01:42 AM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: kidd
"who has conducted their lives more like a proper Christian, Obama or Romney?

Obama who needs to be saved, or Romney who claims he can save himself ? There is hope for Obama.

14 posted on 11/13/2012 10:28:35 AM PST by SENTINEL (Election 2012....One more false prophecy by FLDS/LDS "prophet" Joseph Smith)
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To: Colofornian
I’m an evangelical

"evangelical" isn't a church and I didn't ask what you used to be. I'll restate the question, which denomination do you belong to?
15 posted on 11/13/2012 12:10:25 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: SENTINEL
Obama who needs to be saved, or Romney who claims he can save himself ? There is hope for Obama.

Really?

Obama is, at best, a secularist with Islamic sympathies who uses Christianity for political cover. He wants Christianity marginalized or eliminated. Obama doesn't want to be saved; he wants to be the savior.

16 posted on 11/13/2012 12:41:58 PM PST by kidd
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To: Cronos

Just call me “Harvey”.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 12:43:13 PM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: MeOnTheBeach; Colofornian

I don’t belong to a denomination, as a result of my Mormonism, I abhor denominationalism.

I attend an independent, Evangelical, Bible believing, non-denominational church.

Evangelical covers many churches some outside of denominations.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 12:56:27 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: MeOnTheBeach; Colofornian

what denomination are you? Since you are so hung up on labels.


19 posted on 11/13/2012 12:57:09 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: reaganaut; Colofornian

Are you and Colofornian the same person?


20 posted on 11/13/2012 1:11:40 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach

No, but I responded too and I was the one that mentioned what I used to be.

Newsflash - Christ didn’t start a ‘denomination’.


21 posted on 11/13/2012 1:18:10 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: reaganaut

My apologies for confusing the posts. I’m responding to Colofornian.


22 posted on 11/13/2012 1:28:42 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach
..."evangelical" isn't a church

I beg your pardon?

If I was a member of the Evangelical Free denomination, you're telling the world that's not a church?

The true body of Christ is flesh and blood, not brick & mortar (not a building), and not primarily "institutional".

The Greek word for "church" is ecclesia (also spelled ekklesia)...it literally means "called-out ones."

So, I'm a "called-out one" -- part of the universal flesh-and-blood Body of Christ, and I associate more with fellow Evangelicals than non-Evangelicals, tho I recognize great diversity in that Body of Christ.

Evangelicals have indeed formally banded together as part of the Body of Christ. They formally banded together in 1942 to found the National Asso. of Evangelicals. Just because you might not recognize them as part of the wider Body of Christ, doesn't mean we have to honor your slight.

23 posted on 11/13/2012 1:38:24 PM PST by Colofornian (“...those outside the Church who say Lds do not believe in the traditional Christ. No I don't."-GH)
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To: Yehuda
Just call me “Harvey”. LOL. that's a good one. We'll try and remember to not call you late to supper either, if you happen to be n the neighborhood.

Do you like carrots? I like carrots.

24 posted on 11/13/2012 3:32:11 PM PST by BlueDragon (i'll fly away, oh glory, i'll fly away ...when i die hallelujah by-and-by, i'll fly away...)
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To: Colofornian

BookMark


25 posted on 11/13/2012 6:37:26 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: kidd

Obama is, at best, a secularist with Islamic sympathies who uses Christianity for political cover. He wants Christianity marginalized or eliminated. Obama doesn’t want to be saved; he wants to be the savior.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

You just described Willard...

Mormonism was related to the essence of Islam

Mohammad or the Sword
Joseph Smith or the Sword...

and there are several pararrells

and Joseph Smith was called the American Mohammad...

and people who refused to accept him as “the prophet of god” were slaughtered..

Willard too used Christians and Christianity for a political cover...


26 posted on 11/13/2012 6:45:53 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: BlueDragon

3 lbs /week!


27 posted on 11/14/2012 10:16:41 AM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Tennessee Nana

bookmark


28 posted on 11/14/2012 10:46:22 AM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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