Posted on 11/13/2012 5:08:21 AM PST by Colofornian
If a 'counterfeit' person was using your name online -- and has some attributes similar to you -- does it make it 'you' if it's 'close enough?'
| Mormon Leader General Premises about 'Jesus' we actually agree with! | Summary or Scriptural Summary |
| LDS "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie essentially answered the question before the development of the Internet world: "A false Christ is NOT a person. It is a false system of worship, a false church, a false cult that says, 'Lo, here is salvation, here is the doctrine of Christ. Come and believe thus and so, and ye shall be saved.' It is any concept or philosophy that says that redemption, salvation, sanctification, justification, and all of the promised rewards can be gained in any way except that set forth by the [LDS] apostles and prophets." (Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah: The Second Coming of the Son of Man, p. 48) | You know, there actually are times we agree with the general premises (but not specific applications) of Mormon leaders like Bruce McConkie! And, even though McConkie was referencing all those outside of Mormonism --ya gotta understand that the Lds church teaches that their church is "the only true and living church on the face of the earth" (Lds Doctrines & Covenants 1:30)-- what McConkie says does apply to false systems, false churches, and false cults! |
| Therefore, citing Mormon leaders above & below: How important is it that people don't "misunderstand" who Jesus is? | The New Testament discusses 'another Jesus' (2 Corinthians 11:3-4)...2 Cor. 11:4 -- "For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached..." |
| Per this BYU prof, 'tis very important we don't 'know' another Jesus! "There is NO SALVATION in false doctrine, NO REDEEMING POWER IN MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST." (BYU associate professor W. Jeffrey Marsh, "Doctrine of Christ restored to the world," Church News, Jan. 3, 2004, p. 6) | 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Jesus, Matthew 24:23-24) |
| Per Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: * "There is no such thing as gaining salvation from a false god, or by conforming to a false plan of salvation, or through membership in a false church." (Lds Official magazine Ensign (Conference edition), "The Caravan Moves On," Nov.1984, p. 83) *"There is no salvation in believing any false doctrine, particularly a false or unwise view about the Godhead or any of its members. Eternal life is reserved for those who know God and the One whom he sent to work out the infinite and eternal atonement." ("Our Relationship with the Lord," in Fireside and Devotional Speeches, 1981-82 (Provo: BYU Press, 1982), p. 97 -- this quote republished in official Lds curricula publication in 1983, 1986, Come unto Christ: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1984/1988, p. 45) * "True and saving worship is found ONLY among those who know the truth about God and the Godhead, and who undertand the true relationship men should have with each member of that Eternal Presidency." ("Our Relationship with the Lord," in Fireside and Devotional Speeches, 1981-82 (Provo: BYU Press, 1982), p. 97 -- this quote republished in official Lds curricula publication in 1983, 1986, Come unto Christ: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1984/1988, p. 45) |
"And this is life eternal, that they might know knee THE ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (Jesus, John 17:3) [Even Lds "Doctrines & Covenants has 'stolen' a similar saying:] "This is eternal lives--to know THE ONLY wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent..." (D&C 132:24) |
Bottom line to above: Mormons might have you believe that embracing "any ole' Jesus" will do...
But you know what?
...The five quotes above -- four from an Lds "apostle" who had the temerity to write a book called "Mormon Doctrine"...
...+ a BYU prof...
...All don't agree with such an assumption...
[STAY TUNED FOR PART II]
The relevance? Even Lds leaders claim that the Mormon Jesus and the Jesus of Christians is not "interchangeable"...IoW, He's not the same "Being."
Yeah. My Grandmother was a Backwoods Baptist. She had no use for those Missionary Baptists. All going straight to hell she always said. And don’t even ask about Catholics.
I don’t think she really even believed in Jews.
Is this available all together on a website? I’d like to link it to our article: http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/ex-mormon-testimony
This must be the phase of losing where we attack our losing candidate.
So don’t leave me out.
Anyone who thought Mitt Romney was a Christian, doesn’t know Mormons or Christianity. But let me ask you this: who has conducted their lives more like a proper Christian, Obama or Romney?
(Hey, comparing people to Obama religiously can begin to make them look like Mother Teresa!)
But, hey, I didn't know you thought so highly of (a) people who think they are gods in embryo...personally, I think that's a bit much in prideful arrogance;
(b) Those who have promoted abortion for at least 18 four political campaigns...and expanded taxpayer-funded abortion in MA;
(c) Even the Mormon church owned Deseret News railed vs. him in July of 07 for being a long-time board member of Marriott -- taking in $25,000 a year -- all as Marriott raked in $ from porn... (the DesNews headline was "The nasty taint of porn")
(Not exactly your typical GoP POTUS poster boy)
Just link to FR here...tho it’ll entail 4 links...
(Not yet combined on a site)
:)
No, I don’t think highly of Mormons. I never said anything of the sort. So keep your smarmy comments to yourself.
Romney was the botom of the barrel choice of GOP candidates for me. I was not happy to see him win the GOP nomination because of his flip-flop on abortion, his status as the Father of gay marriage in the US, his support of socialized medicine, and his religion.
The only thing interesting about your post is its timing. Your’s is the first to pile on.
No, I don’t think highly of Mormons. I never said anything of the sort. So keep your smarmy comments to yourself.
Romney was the botom of the barrel choice of GOP candidates for me. I was not happy to see him win the GOP nomination because of his flip-flop on abortion, his status as the Father of gay marriage in the US, his support of socialized medicine, and his religion.
The only thing interesting about your post is its timing. Your’s is the first to pile on.
THX 1138
Wonder how many people will realize this discussion is in the religion forum.
May I ask as to what church you belong to?
I’m an evangelical
I’m an Evangelical and an Ex-Mormon.
Obama who needs to be saved, or Romney who claims he can save himself ? There is hope for Obama.
Really?
Obama is, at best, a secularist with Islamic sympathies who uses Christianity for political cover. He wants Christianity marginalized or eliminated. Obama doesn't want to be saved; he wants to be the savior.
I don’t belong to a denomination, as a result of my Mormonism, I abhor denominationalism.
I attend an independent, Evangelical, Bible believing, non-denominational church.
Evangelical covers many churches some outside of denominations.
what denomination are you? Since you are so hung up on labels.
Are you and Colofornian the same person?
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