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Latest NIV Bible Translation Clearer on Homosexual Sins, Says Theologian
Christian Post ^ | 01/05/2012 | Michael Gryboski

Posted on 01/05/2012 7:07:55 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 01/05/2012 7:08:04 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

For those interested, the Greek words are ‘sodomite’ and ‘catamite’. Pitchers and catchers.


2 posted on 01/05/2012 7:15:59 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: BenKenobi

I was wondering if there was consensus amongst our Greek scholars. Do y’all think the Committee on Bible Translation did right ?


3 posted on 01/05/2012 7:20:33 PM PST by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: Former Fetus; Bockscar; Graybeard58; JLLH; Outlaw Woman; StarCMC; AZ .44 MAG; prairiebreeze; ...

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4 posted on 01/05/2012 7:20:58 PM PST by WKB (Anything Obama: "What a revoltin' development this is")
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To: SeekAndFind

Homosexualtiy was EXPLICITELY condemned under the law of Moses.

Also was condemned under the law of the patriarchs.


5 posted on 01/05/2012 7:28:00 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: BenKenobi
They should lay the whole verse out there, for context. My New King James uses a footnote "catamites". According to dictionary.com, that means "a boy or youth having a sexual relationship with a man".

That's a little different than straight man-on-man sex. It's worse.

The whole verse, New King James, is:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites,

So it distinguishes between pederasts and homosexuals (I don't know why), but they're in the same boat. And verse 10 says that thieves and drunkards and the greedy and the extortioners and such are in the same boat. They're all condemned, unless they straighten up.

In general, if you're a lowlife, you better straighten up.

6 posted on 01/05/2012 7:54:19 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: SeekAndFind
The K.J.V. finished in 1611 is the one for me.
7 posted on 01/05/2012 8:02:44 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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I’ll admit I’m a drunkards at times... So in God’s Eyes I’m the same as a homosexual? Damn, that’s harsh.


8 posted on 01/05/2012 8:11:37 PM PST by RC51
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To: SeekAndFind

What about Woman on Woman Sex. I’ve always found it disturbing that the Bible is vague at best on that.


9 posted on 01/05/2012 8:21:06 PM PST by RC51
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To: SeekAndFind

The ESV translates those NT verses similarly too:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%206:9&version=ESVUK

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practise homosexuality,[b]

Footnotes:
a. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Or wrongdoers
b. 1 Corinthians 6:9 The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20timothy%201:10&version=ESVUK

the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

Footnotes:
a. 1 Timothy 1:10 That is, those who take someone captive in order to sell him into slavery
b. 1 Timothy 1:10 Or healthy


10 posted on 01/05/2012 8:23:38 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: RC51
Yeah, it's pretty harsh. None of us wrong-doers get to escape, unless we straighten up. But pretty much everyone who reads those verses knows in their hearts whether they're doing right, or wrong.

And then there's Verse 11:

And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

In the Bible, it's about acknowledging your wrongs, confessing them, giving your life to Christ. And should you fall down again, climb out of the hole again. And again. And again.

11 posted on 01/05/2012 8:26:50 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: RC51

As long as the girls are hot it’s OK/ sarc


12 posted on 01/05/2012 8:38:51 PM PST by chargers fan
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To: chargers fan

The problem is, of course, that they so rarely are.


13 posted on 01/05/2012 9:03:28 PM PST by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon... and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: SeekAndFind

“while the 2011 translation changes the phrase to “men who have sex with men.””

Which specifically excludes lesbianism. Apparently that’s ok - I’m sure no one has questionable or perverted motives for making this decision.


14 posted on 01/05/2012 9:05:46 PM PST by COgamer
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Jeez, one would think that you can conclude that condemnation of men having sex with men would also include women having sex with women. But do we really have to make a translation that EXPLICITLY says : “Men having sex with men AND women having sex with women” to make us understand that?


15 posted on 01/05/2012 9:09:32 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: RC51
Sin is sin. God is perfection and can not tolerate sin. Simply because tolerating sin is condoning sin. An that would violate God's perfection.

Homosexuality, murder, adultery, drunkenness, etc ... are all sin. But the good news is that God does not call on us to be sinless. Rather the charge to mankind is to turn away from sin and if we believe in Jesus his son, and work to clean up our lives, confess our sins and ask for God's forgiveness, he will be faithful to forgive.

16 posted on 01/05/2012 9:20:02 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: RC51

According to the remarks from men here on FR, it’s AOK.

Same ones who puke at male homosexuality. Go figure.

(I have my theories about them.....lol)


17 posted on 01/05/2012 9:21:01 PM PST by bonfire
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To: SeekAndFind

Lesbianism’s covered by Romans 1:26,

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ROMANS%201:26&version=ESVUK

“For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;”


18 posted on 01/05/2012 9:21:01 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: FlyVet

No, sir.

A catamite is a young boy raped anally by an adult homosexual. That is why the Greek word also means ‘soft ones’. It was common practice back then.

A sodomite is the adult male homosexual rapist. Pitchers and catchers, sodomites and catamites. Always paired together.


19 posted on 01/05/2012 9:59:29 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: labette

No, the greek is very explicit. Harsh and graphic if you explain just what a catamite is, but we aren’t doing people a favor by whitewashing.


20 posted on 01/05/2012 10:01:30 PM PST by BenKenobi
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