What Is the Magisterium and Why Do We Need It?

Catholic Exchange ^ | July 26, 2006 | Marcellino D'Ambrosio, Ph.D

[Diego1618]

But the likelihood that the Church is wrong in that regard (and you two are correct) is zero.

I can assure you....the Church is wrong on most everything it has done.....is doing.....and will continue to do. Your Church is not the Church of the Apostles or the New Testament. The sooner you come to that realization, the better off you'll be. Read Matthew 28:1 and ask yourself, why in the world does my "Magesterium" say Christ arose on Sunday morning at sunrise? It says plainly here.....he has arisen "On the Sabbath"!

[Diego1618]

No verse in the bible conflicts with another verse. The problem is not with the bible, for it is with our understanding that we have problems.

Agreed! The Roman Church has perverted scripture through their Magesterium. The question is always......Why?

[dollars_for_dogma]

I can assure you....the Church is wrong on most everything it has done.....is doing.....and will continue to do.

Yup, I'm with ya'....and did you know that the Joooooz blew up the World Trade Center to draw the U.S. into a war with the 'A'-rabs?

Your Church is not the Church of the Apostles or the New Testament. The sooner you come to that realization, the better off you'll be.

I have come to a realization.....I've come to the realization that the sooner I stop responding to your ridiculous pronouncements, the sooner my headache will go away.

Is Art Bell your source for this rubbish?

[Diego1618]

Is Art Bell your source for this rubbish?

Everything you see from me is backed by scripture. If you wish to refer to it as rubbish....so be it.

I came on to the thread to expose the ridiculous position of the Roman Church and their Magesterium when it came to the facts of the resurrection. My Bible....and yours, says that Christ was to be entombed for 72 hours [Matthew 12:40]. Your Magesterium insists it was only 36 hours. The Bible says he had already resurrected by the time the women arrived at the tomb "Late on Sabbath" [Matthew 28:1]. Your Magesterium says no, it was at sunrise Sunday morning.

I explained in post # 14 where the confusion about a Sunday morning resurrection came from. No one has refuted it....no one can! I explained about the word "Epiphosko" in the Greek meaning dawn....but also meaning beginning, such as in the term....the "Dawning of an Age". I showed where the dawning of the first day of the week was actually at sundown....shortly after the end of the Sabbath on which Christ resurrected. It was the beginning of the week.

I have pointed out the error of your theology and how you are being led astray. I have asked the question "Why" several times. No one has answered. The main stream Church, and that includes the daughter churches (Protestants) have been pulling the wool over your eyes and have established a counterfeit religion for at least 1700 years. It is your responsibility to seek out and understand the word....not some bunch of fallible morons teaching false doctrine.

Yup, I'm with ya'....and did you know that the Joooooz blew up the World Trade Center to draw the U.S. into a war with the 'A'-rabs?

If this is all you can do to support your theology, then please don't waste my time anymore.

[dollars_for_dogma]

It is your responsibility to seek out and understand the word....

I agree, the Scriptural Authority of the Catholic Church.

...not some bunch of fallible morons teaching false doctrine.

An excellent appraisal!

[dollars_for_dogma]

If this is all you can do to support your theology, then please don't waste my time anymore.

You distort scripture to fit your agenda, so I should have realized you'd also twist my comments.

Below is the actual post as it appeared in post #103:

"I can assure you....the Church is wrong on most everything it has done.....is doing.....and will continue to do."

Yup, I'm with ya'....and did you know that the Joooooz blew up the World Trade Center to draw the U.S. into a war with the 'A'-rabs? add:(ridicule/sarcasm)

[Binghamton_native]

Please read to see the real scoop about the number of Protestant denominations:

http://www.ntrmin.org/30000denominations.htm

Please note. If you have issues with this article, it is a review of World Christian Encyclopedia: A Comparative Survey of Churches and Religions in the Modern World A.D. 1900—2000 (ed. David A. Barrett; New York: Oxford University Press, 1982). The Barrett article is the source of the 20,000+ Protestant denominations often cited by Catholic apologists. If you don't like his conclusions, then please stop claiming 20,000+ denominations.

[kerryusama04]

Is Art Bell your source for this rubbish?

LOL! Getting doctrine from a guy whoe headquarters is across the street from a whorehouse in Pahrump! Mother of Harlots, indeed!

I have nothing to add from Diego except:

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

[Mrs. Don-o]

Neither the Bible nor the Magisterium (official teaching authority) of the Church says that kneeling at this or that part of the Mass is a mortal sin. If some dingbat clergyman says so--- (sigh) --- he is not thinking with the Church.

As for other denominations: some of them are quite faithful on the important points, and many have members who are living lives of holiness: they have my respect. But as for "teaching authority" ---hey, they've got no guarantees. They're on their own.

[dollars_for_dogma]

The Barrett article is the source of the 20,000+ Protestant denominations often cited by Catholic apologists. If you don't like his conclusions, then please stop claiming 20,000+ denominations.

Though I've used this figure before, it did seem to be more of a talking point for debate, than an valid census of the various denominations.

If, for example, every independent church were considered a separate denominational entity, and counted as such, it might work out to be 20,000....

[Religion Moderator]

Knock it off!

[dollars_for_dogma]

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Another verse that also shows the dangers of the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is:

2 Peter 3:16

"speaking of these things as he does in all his (Paul's) letters. In them there are

some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their

own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures."

[kerryusama04]

2 Peter 3:16 Peter sure got that one right!

Here's another one:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[dollars_for_dogma]

2 Peter 3:16 Peter sure got that one right!

Scholars attribute 2 Peter, not to St. Peter the Apostle, but to a writer using a pseudonym.

But the verse does clearly show the necessity for Scriptural Authority; that reliance upon personal interpretation leads to error..

"In them (Paul's letters) there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures."

[kerryusama04]

But the verse does clearly show the necessity for Scriptural Authority; that reliance upon personal interpretation leads to error..

Phi 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

From the article: They also passed on and interpreted apostolic traditions that were not written down in the New Testament books, like the practice of meeting for weekly worship on Sunday, the day of the Lord’s Resurrection, rather than Saturday, which was the Jewish Sabbath. Finally, they were the ones responsible to authoritatively interpret and apply the sacred Scriptures amidst dispute and controversy, such as the fourth-century controversy over the divinity of Christ.

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Jam 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters [teachers], knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

[dollars_for_dogma]

An interesting section of the same article supporting the necessity for Scriptural Authority:

Opposition in the Name of Fidelity

The Protestant reformers, inspired with zeal for God’s word, went one step further. Under the banner of “sola scriptura” they proclaimed the Bible as the only infallible authority for Christians. That meant that both Tradition and Church authority could be opposed in the name of fidelity to Scripture.

Funny thing, however: from the outset of the Reformation, the movement that agreed on the supreme authority of the Bible disagreed bitterly on what the Bible said. The Protestant church was divided from the beginning. Nearly 500 years later, we see thousands of competing churches claiming the same Bible and sola scriptura heritage.

That’s because the Bible is a collection of written documents. And one of the truths about all written documents, even if they happen to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, is that they can be interpreted differently by different people.

Someone Has to Have the Last Word

The Catholic Church!

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[kerryusama04]

God gets the last word. In fact, God IS the Word!

Goodnight.