What Is the Magisterium and Why Do We Need It?

Catholic Exchange ^ | July 26, 2006 | Marcellino D'Ambrosio, Ph.D

[FourtySeven]

Good article.

[Diego1618]

to begin to grow light: - begin to dawn, X draw on.

It is used the same way in Matthew 28:1 as it is in Luke 23:54. This usage denotes a day beginning as in Luke, the High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread is "drawing on". In Matthew, it is the first day of the week "drawing on." In both cases.....and these are the only times this word is used in scripture, the time of the day is sunset.

Compare the scripture to the dictionary.

It must certainly be from the plain reading and not solely from the Catholic Magisterium, because the last time I checked, the vast majority of Protestants worship on Sunday for the same reason that Catholics do.

You are correct...both Catholics and Protestants are deceived on this issue.....as in most others.

You just have to ask yourself.....why does the Greek say Late on Sabbath?

[jo kus]

LOL...You can prove anything with the bible...

Now your getting it! Check the title of this thread "What is the Magesterium and WHY DO WE NEED IT?"

You've answered the question.

Regards

[Iscool]

Now your getting it! Check the title of this thread "What is the Magesterium and WHY DO WE NEED IT?"

You've answered the question.

You are even trying to twist my reply...

If your Magesterium with it's infinite wisdom told you that your church was 'the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father but by your church', you'd be smart to ditch the Magesterium...

[alamo boy]

***...as well as is Biblical Authority, otherwise, lacking adult supervision, one may arrive at the above personal interpretation of scripture***

Well, since I am an adult and a believer priest I will stand before God on my understanding of his word. I'll let others use the papal decoder ring.

But the context was a memorial meal (passover) and He instituted a memorial meal. So, I say He left the room without looking like disciples went phirana on Him... chomping on His bod and vampiring His blood.

[dollars_for_dogma]

So, I say He left the room without looking like disciples went phirana on Him... chomping on His bod and vampiring His blood.

...and so, regarding John 6:53-57, we have the "word" according to Alamo Boy.

[FJ290]

But the context was a memorial meal (passover) and He instituted a memorial meal. So, I say He left the room without looking like disciples went phirana on Him... chomping on His bod and vampiring His blood.

That's not a very nice way to debate the issue. Tell you what, you go ahead and have your grape juice and crackers memory meal, I'll take the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.

[jo kus]

I wrote :Now your getting it! Check the title of this thread "What is the Magesterium and WHY DO WE NEED IT?" You've answered the question.

You responded :You are even trying to twist my reply...

Not at all. You said that anyone can twist the meaning of the Bible. God, who desires that all men come to the knowledge of God, has established a teaching authority to guard the deposit of faith BECAUSE people can twist the meaning of the Scriptures... This teaching authority delves into the Word of God (written and oral) to respond to current situations that enable men to do God's Will. For example, the Magesterium allows us to take a proper stance on cloning, or stem-cell research. Naturally, we don't find any concordance listing these topics. But with an authorized teaching group in place, one duly-appointed by Christ Himself, we can rest assured that we are doing the Will of God.

Those without this Magesterium rely on their own intellect. I suppose you might stumble on the correct stance on certain issues by following one of the thousands of denominations of Protestantism. Good luck. I don't place so much confidence in myself.

Regards

[alamo boy]

***...and so, regarding John 6:53-57, we have the "word" according to Alamo Boy.***

Yep me and Zwingli and Paul

"do this in memory of Me"

[alamo boy]

***...and so, regarding John 6:53-57, we have the "word" according to Alamo Boy.***

Yep me and Zwingli and Paul

"do this in memory of Me"

[dollars_for_dogma]

***...and so, regarding John 6:53-57, we have the "word" according to Alamo Boy.***

"Yep me and Zwingli and Paul"

"do this in memory of Me"

No, Zwingli was a protestant reformer along with Luther, Calvin, Knox, Wesley, and others...

St. Paul, the Apostle, would hold to the Catholic Church and Tradition in regards to John 6:53-57.

[Iscool]

Good luck. I don't place so much confidence in myself.

I'm thinkin' you're the one that needs the luck...Bible commands YOU to study...It commands YOU to search the scriptures...It tells YOU to prove all things...

I don't know how many denominations there are...But I do see many denominations going with Female leaders, and Queer leaders...I see some speaking in 'tongues'...I see some trying to follow the Sabbath...And the one thing these all have in common is they don't believe the bible...

Of course you and they will say it's a matter of interpretation but that's not it at all...It's a matter of belief...

[Iscool]

Ha...Your bible must be about a page and a half thick...

[alamo boy]

***St. Paul, the Apostle, would hold to the Catholic Church and Tradition in regards to John 6:53-57.***

I know that's what the papal decoder ring says about Paul. I'll let Paul speak for himself.


"do this in memory of Me"

"Christ our Passover has been sacrificed." (1 Cor 5:7 undecoded version)

Passover = past event (sacrifice), memorialized regularly with a meal

[Titanites]

Here are a few more passages from scripture of which I enjoy watching the non-Catholics spin their plain reading:

James 2:24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

Hebrews 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins

Acts 22:16 'And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'

1 Peter 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you

Nehemiah 8:8 And they read from the book, from the law of God, clearly; and they gave the sense, so that the people understood the reading.

Acts 8:30-31 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?" And he said, "How can I, unless some one guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

1 Corinthians 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

[Titanites]

Ha...Your bible must be about a page and a half thick...

I suspect dollars_for_dogma uses the unabridged version of scripture, which is a few books thicker than the bible you use.

[Binghamton_native]

All that would throw around the thousands of denominations charge need to check this out http://www.ntrmin.org/30000denominations.htm and this http://www.ntrmin.org/30000denominations.htm before the charge is used again.

[dollars_for_dogma]

***St. Paul, the Apostle, would hold to the Catholic Church and Tradition in regards to John 6:53-57.***

I know that's what the papal decoder ring says about Paul. I'll let Paul speak for himself.

As you have made quite clear, one must consider context when addressing scripture...

...that applies to historical context, as well.

When the protestant reformers set about their task of eliminating books from the Old Testament that contradicted their new theology (Maccabees--praying for the souls of the dead), they also eliminated the Sacrament of the Eucharist (John 6:53-57).

Because, without a priest, who receives the power to Consecrate at his ordination, (Bishops--Apostolic Succession), there is nothing on the altar but bread and wine.

St. Paul was not a protestant reformer and therefore would not subscribe to your tortured interpretation of John 6.

Your interpretation is protestant--"protester" (considered heretical by the Apostles and Catholics).

See what St. Paul has to say about receiving the body and blood of our Lord in an "unworthy" manner: 1 Corinthians 11:27-30.

[jo kus]

I'm thinkin' you're the one that needs the luck...Bible commands YOU to study...It commands YOU to search the scriptures...It tells YOU to prove all things...

It does, but not outside of the Church! Where does Paul tell Timothy or anyone else, to go and read Scriptures and teach what YOU think it means??? He makes it clear that HE received a body of teaching that was meant to be passed down to subsequent generations - since it was the truth.

Of course you and they will say it's a matter of interpretation but that's not it at all...It's a matter of belief...

People believe their interpretation is correct. Just like you. I will rely on what was handed down by Paul and the others.

Regards

[dollars_for_dogma]

Ha...Your bible must be about a page and a half thick...

With some people, one must repeat--ad nauseam--the basics in order to hopefully get a pulse.

But, actually, it was your guy, Luther, who eliminated Old Testament books from the bible.

Some of the other reformers were Zwingli, Knox, Wesley,..., Iscool, et al.