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WOULD THOMAS JEFFERSON THINK WE ARE FREE?
Unknown | Unknown | Steven L. Hayes and Charles Adams

Posted on 01/08/2002 10:30:15 PM PST by Angelique

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This article was originally sent to me by CHIEF Negotiator. Taxman and I were discussing it today, and I think it is timely with all the recent discussion of taxes in Washington.
1 posted on 01/08/2002 10:30:15 PM PST by Angelique
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To: n-tres-ted; Taxman; pigdog; Rondog;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Ping!
2 posted on 01/08/2002 10:47:14 PM PST by Angelique
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To: n-tres-ted; Taxman; pigdog; Rondog;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Ping!
3 posted on 01/08/2002 10:47:14 PM PST by Angelique
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Ping!
4 posted on 01/08/2002 10:50:45 PM PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique
I think this view of Jefferson is a little pessimistic. He would marvel that America is now the Worlds lone super power. He would look at the life styles of the Average American and how they had improved. He would be amazed that not only are Blacks no longer slaves, a proposition he would approve of; but they have essentially blended into society, something he could never imagine.

Jefferson would be proud that our system of Government was still operating and the people mostly in charge. He would take a look at the Internet and the free exchange of ideas and know that Americans are essentially free.

Sure we have problems and our Government has over reached in many areas, but the success of America would prove that the system works.

Since he was willing to exceed what he recognized as his constitutional authority in order to make the Louisiana Purchase; he would understand how the original intent could be adapted.

Before anybody takes me wrong, let me say that I am a libertarian and know our country could be better with a lot less Government. I am also an optimist and a pragmatist. Jefferson would see both the good and the bad. Things are better than they might have been but not as good as they could be.

5 posted on 01/08/2002 11:02:21 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: Fish out of Water
And then I'd take him down to the abortion clinic and show him what our "right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" has come to. I'd take him to a sensitivity seminar. Take him to jails and prisons to show him people in cages for nothing more than having marijuana in their possession. Take a trip to the Klamath Basin. Let him sit in on some public "education." See if he can dead-lift the tomes of federal regulations. Explain the Federal Reserve Board to him. Yeah, this is freedom.
6 posted on 01/08/2002 11:18:24 PM PST by toenail
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To: Noslrac
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7 posted on 01/08/2002 11:18:55 PM PST by wafflehouse
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To: Fish out of Water
Are you measuring success and happiness by material wealth?
9 posted on 01/08/2002 11:40:33 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Angelique
bump
10 posted on 01/08/2002 11:54:01 PM PST by quietolong
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To: Light Speed
My answer, one word: NO.
11 posted on 01/08/2002 11:56:33 PM PST by onyx
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To: Fish out of Water
of course he and his went to war over tax rates being much lower. We have no real representation anymore... House districts have too many people.
12 posted on 01/09/2002 12:01:17 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Angelique
The only thing that comes to my mind is the preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

"When in the Course of human Events..."

13 posted on 01/09/2002 12:21:31 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: riley1992
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14 posted on 01/09/2002 1:11:35 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: onyx
My answer to this may upset some at this board...When America defeated Britian and sent her troops packing in the 1770'S...The form of British class and file remained.. so did the families and their money...the Gov may have adopted new forms..but the money just adjusted..and continued on.

The seperation of class..and priviledge was what lead to the Civil war..both sides standing on "Rights of priviledge"

The same dynamic remains in Canada to this day.

Now in our time..it has evolved into the corporation...mega and global..again..wealth and power in the hands of few compared to the masses who are dependent upon their kindness to give them employ and freedoms

Lately..the powers desire our rights to be curtailed some... national security the cry..when in fact..it is an opportunity to regain control in an every widening market and populational dynamic.

Sort of ..we know whats best for you.

Multi level Insurance..you can hardly own,or operate anything legally without it...guess who Britian gave that to.

I better stop here..before I get into hot water!

15 posted on 01/09/2002 1:30:23 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: Fish out of Water
I think some of your optimism is handled in the piece:
Jefferson is curious about everything and has a number of questions for you. He marvels at all the new technology in your home. He insists on a lengthy explanation and demonstration of all the appliances and machines in your home.

I somewhat agree that he would be pleased to hear that we are the "World's lone super power," but I do not think he would be amazed. Remember, our Founding Fathers believed they had created the greatest new form of government that would endure.

Perhaps Hamilton would not have been so outraged with the encroachment of the Federal Government, but I can assure you that Jefferson would have reacted just as described. As Walter Williams often states, our sytem of taxation is tantamount to taking our paycheck and handing 40-50% to a perfect stranger. I really think we have run out of excuses for allowing what our Federal Government has done to us.

16 posted on 01/09/2002 2:50:24 AM PST by Angelique
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To: rightintexas
Those are just great! Thanks! I am going to pass them along.
17 posted on 01/09/2002 2:53:43 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Light Speed
When America defeated Britian and sent her troops packing in the 1770's...

-British troops were not removed from US soil until around 1800. They occupied western forts west and north of Penn. and along the Ohio.

"...British class and file remained..so did the families and their money..."

-The average British "grunt" didn't come over here with his family, and had precious little money. Those who did have both were the upper eschlons of the officer corps, aristrocrats all. They had very little reason-- if any-- to remain in America. And what the heck is this "class and file"? Surely you aren't suggesting that before the Revoluntairy War the citizens of colonial America were all pure and equal.

As for the assertion that "seperation of class" and "rights of priviledge" was the underlining cause of the War Between the States, well...that certinly is a new angle, I'll grant you that.

18 posted on 01/09/2002 6:17:58 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: Angelique; Taxreform; 1Olgoat; AppyPappy; BlackKnight 96; BufordP...
Thank you Angelique. This is always a good read, and instructive to those who would carefully read it.

"Real Americans would never have given up their rights without a fight."

Well, they did. And now, we are paying the price! Those who would destroy all that the Founding Fathers accomplished by daring to establish a new nation based on the magnificient prose in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution have very nearly succeeded.

There are a few of us who recognize what has happened and is happening to the wonderful Republic the Founders established. Our assignment, class, is simply stated, to restore the rule of law and the U.S. Constitution.

Are we up to the task?

Lord! I hope so. If we fail, we fail not only ourselves, but we fail each and every American who gave of his or her all to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"

And, we fail our children, our grandchildren and all future generations to come!

Wake up America!

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800.]

Click here to help us scrap the Code, scrap the IRS and abolish the VLWC!

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

19 posted on 01/09/2002 8:39:49 AM PST by Taxman
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I have been lurking around this forum long enough to know where this thread would head and I agree about most of it. My point was to offer a different perspective and get everyone to think a little more.
20 posted on 01/09/2002 8:59:34 AM PST by Fish out of Water
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