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WOULD THOMAS JEFFERSON THINK WE ARE FREE?
Unknown | Unknown | Steven L. Hayes and Charles Adams

Posted on 01/08/2002 10:30:15 PM PST by Angelique

WOULD THOMAS JEFFERSON THINK WE ARE FREE?
By Steven L. Hayes and Charles Adams

What if Jefferson were to revisit America today?

Thomas Jefferson was born on April 13, 1743. In his lifetime he saw his country transformed from an English colony to a country ruled by its own citizens. Remembered by many as the author of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson also served as President and guided the young nation through eight turbulent years. When Jefferson died on July 4, 1826 at the age of 83, he left a country and a people whose commitment to the ideas of the Declaration of Independence seemed firmly in place.

On this April 13,just after dinner, there is a knock on your door. When you open the door, you see a tall slender man with red hair. He introduces himself as Thomas Jefferson. You don't automatically slam the door and call the police but, almost against your will, you invite him in your home. Somehow you accept that this man is not an escapee from an asylum but that he really is Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson is curious about everything and has a number of questions for you. He marvels at all the new technology in your home. He insists on a lengthy explanation and demonstration of all the appliances and machines in your home. Amazed at how quickly he understands the new technologies, you suddenly remember the statement made by President John Kennedy when he hosted a gathering of Nobel Prize winners at the White House. President Kennedy said, "This is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

His attention is drawn to the dining room table and the numerouscomplicated-looking forms with numbers like "1040" or "W2" or "1099" on them. He politely asks, "What are you doing?"

You feel uncomfortable, almost as if you have a guilty conscience, but you aren't sure why. You answer, "Each year on April 15, Americans are required to file an income tax return with the Internal Revenue Service, a branch of the Treasury Department. On this return, we are required to list the source and amount of all our income. The amount of income determines the percent of tax that we pay. The higher the income, the higher the rate of tax."

Then you continue, "However, the government has tried to make it simple. All Americans who work for others are required to have an estimate of their tax deducted from their earnings before they receive their pay. We call this withholding. Also, the law requires us to place our social security number on all our bank accounts. All banks where we deposit our money and people who sell stocks for us report the amount of money we earned in each account and on each transaction to the Internal Revenue Service. These actions are necessary because the government wants to ensure that all of the income taxes are collected. You see, they really don't trust the people to pay."

Jefferson is visibly stunned. "You mean Americans are required to tell an agency of the government how much money they made and where they earned it?"

"Yes," you answer. Puzzled, Jefferson says to you, "The government must have had a great financial emergency which made such a despotic tax system necessary to pay off a great deficit."

You sadly explain that there really was no emergency. You explain how the admitted national debt is in excess of $4 trillion and increasing by $200 billion each year.

Jefferson, mostly to himself, says, "In my Second Inaugural Address I warned that we must meet all of the expenses of each year without encroaching on the rights of future generations by burdening them with the debts of the past. All of us had seen the devastating effects of a national debt."

Then Jefferson asks you if you really said that the more money you earned, the higher the rate of tax you had to pay. You slowly confirm this simple fact. Strangely, it no longer seems harmless.

In a sad voice, Jefferson says, "When we wrote the Constitution, all of us knew history. We knew that great civilizations began to decline when they introduced direct taxation. In the Constitution, we restricted direct taxation because we knew it would yield the same result experienced by other nations using direct taxation-erosion of individual rights and the oppression of the minority by the majority because it could use its political power to use the government to steal from the minority."

Then Jefferson says to himself, "How can this be? Have Americans forgotten history?" You look at this man who, together with a few others, so eloquently gave birth to the idea of freedom that has pervaded the United States for most of its existence and is being echoed around the world today by countries throwing off despotism. Now embarrassed and truly ashamed, you explain that Americans, like sheep to the slaughter, meekly went along with each new law that stripped away more of their freedom.

In World War II, Americans agreed to income tax withholding as a "temporary measure" to help win the war. Of course, withholding was never ended and has become a permanent fixture. Then came the plausible rule that our social security number should be on all our accounts. In this way, the government ensures that no one evades reporting the income earned in their accounts. Of course, then came the rule that all bank accounts should file information returns and that most transactions should be reported to the government.

You state that the income tax rules are incomprehensible, that no one understands them but that the taxpayer is still responsible for compliance. You tell him that in tax matters, Americans are guilty until proven innocent. You explain how an agent of the government can come into your home and inspect all of your checks and papers and ask you to explain the purpose of each check. If the agent decides that you have not fully complied with the incomprehensible income tax code, he can arbitrarily decide that you owe more tax. If your taxes are not paid, your bank accounts can be seized and your home and other properties auctioned.

"Our people fought a revolution because of government intrusion far less than this," Jefferson says. "It is inconceivable that any of us would have tolerated this type of government tyranny. A government that has to enforce a tax on its people will not willingly pay is a government that should be immediately overthrown. In a letter to James Madison in 1787, I said, 'I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.' Are you sure that I am in the right country? There must have been a revolution. Real Americans would never have given up their rights without a fight."

Seeing your bowed head, he knows the answer. There was no revolution. Now deeply ashamed, you try to excuse yourself by explaining to him that people who refuse to obey the tax laws are often sent to prison, sometimes for 25 to 30 years.

Jefferson just stares at you. In a low, anguished voice he says, "Is this what we risked our lives for? We thought we were giving future generations a free country ruled by the people for the people. What you have done is taken our idea and twisted it. You have freely submitted to despotism much worse than we faced. You may think that you are free, but that is because you choose not to see your chains or the walls that imprison you. No, my friend, you live in a prison. You work for the government, not for yourselves. Your ancestors would not know you. I am sorry for my country and I am sorry for you." Without another word, Jefferson walks out the door.

As you see his tall figure disappear into the mist, you are sadder than you can remember ever being. You now must admit to yourself what you have been trying to explain away. What Jefferson said is true. What has happened to us is what Thomas Paine predicted would happen if Americans lost their freedom. Our freedoms have not been taken away all at once but a little at a time. Jefferson could see it. If you really look, you can see it too.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: nationaldebt; taxreform; thefirstrepublican; thomasjefferson; virginia
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This article was originally sent to me by CHIEF Negotiator. Taxman and I were discussing it today, and I think it is timely with all the recent discussion of taxes in Washington.
1 posted on 01/08/2002 10:30:15 PM PST by Angelique
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To: n-tres-ted; Taxman; pigdog; Rondog;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Ping!
2 posted on 01/08/2002 10:47:14 PM PST by Angelique
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To: n-tres-ted; Taxman; pigdog; Rondog;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Ping!
3 posted on 01/08/2002 10:47:14 PM PST by Angelique
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To: : Ernest_at_the_Beach;LadyX;Dog Gone;snopercod;Carry_Okie;Phil V.;Wattsmag2; SierraWasp
Ping!
4 posted on 01/08/2002 10:50:45 PM PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique
I think this view of Jefferson is a little pessimistic. He would marvel that America is now the Worlds lone super power. He would look at the life styles of the Average American and how they had improved. He would be amazed that not only are Blacks no longer slaves, a proposition he would approve of; but they have essentially blended into society, something he could never imagine.

Jefferson would be proud that our system of Government was still operating and the people mostly in charge. He would take a look at the Internet and the free exchange of ideas and know that Americans are essentially free.

Sure we have problems and our Government has over reached in many areas, but the success of America would prove that the system works.

Since he was willing to exceed what he recognized as his constitutional authority in order to make the Louisiana Purchase; he would understand how the original intent could be adapted.

Before anybody takes me wrong, let me say that I am a libertarian and know our country could be better with a lot less Government. I am also an optimist and a pragmatist. Jefferson would see both the good and the bad. Things are better than they might have been but not as good as they could be.

5 posted on 01/08/2002 11:02:21 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: Fish out of Water
And then I'd take him down to the abortion clinic and show him what our "right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" has come to. I'd take him to a sensitivity seminar. Take him to jails and prisons to show him people in cages for nothing more than having marijuana in their possession. Take a trip to the Klamath Basin. Let him sit in on some public "education." See if he can dead-lift the tomes of federal regulations. Explain the Federal Reserve Board to him. Yeah, this is freedom.
6 posted on 01/08/2002 11:18:24 PM PST by toenail
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To: Noslrac
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7 posted on 01/08/2002 11:18:55 PM PST by wafflehouse
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To: Fish out of Water
Are you measuring success and happiness by material wealth?
9 posted on 01/08/2002 11:40:33 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Angelique
bump
10 posted on 01/08/2002 11:54:01 PM PST by quietolong
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To: Light Speed
My answer, one word: NO.
11 posted on 01/08/2002 11:56:33 PM PST by onyx
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To: Fish out of Water
of course he and his went to war over tax rates being much lower. We have no real representation anymore... House districts have too many people.
12 posted on 01/09/2002 12:01:17 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Angelique
The only thing that comes to my mind is the preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

"When in the Course of human Events..."

13 posted on 01/09/2002 12:21:31 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: riley1992
ping
14 posted on 01/09/2002 1:11:35 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: onyx
My answer to this may upset some at this board...When America defeated Britian and sent her troops packing in the 1770'S...The form of British class and file remained.. so did the families and their money...the Gov may have adopted new forms..but the money just adjusted..and continued on.

The seperation of class..and priviledge was what lead to the Civil war..both sides standing on "Rights of priviledge"

The same dynamic remains in Canada to this day.

Now in our time..it has evolved into the corporation...mega and global..again..wealth and power in the hands of few compared to the masses who are dependent upon their kindness to give them employ and freedoms

Lately..the powers desire our rights to be curtailed some... national security the cry..when in fact..it is an opportunity to regain control in an every widening market and populational dynamic.

Sort of ..we know whats best for you.

Multi level Insurance..you can hardly own,or operate anything legally without it...guess who Britian gave that to.

I better stop here..before I get into hot water!

15 posted on 01/09/2002 1:30:23 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: Fish out of Water
I think some of your optimism is handled in the piece:
Jefferson is curious about everything and has a number of questions for you. He marvels at all the new technology in your home. He insists on a lengthy explanation and demonstration of all the appliances and machines in your home.

I somewhat agree that he would be pleased to hear that we are the "World's lone super power," but I do not think he would be amazed. Remember, our Founding Fathers believed they had created the greatest new form of government that would endure.

Perhaps Hamilton would not have been so outraged with the encroachment of the Federal Government, but I can assure you that Jefferson would have reacted just as described. As Walter Williams often states, our sytem of taxation is tantamount to taking our paycheck and handing 40-50% to a perfect stranger. I really think we have run out of excuses for allowing what our Federal Government has done to us.

16 posted on 01/09/2002 2:50:24 AM PST by Angelique
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To: rightintexas
Those are just great! Thanks! I am going to pass them along.
17 posted on 01/09/2002 2:53:43 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Light Speed
When America defeated Britian and sent her troops packing in the 1770's...

-British troops were not removed from US soil until around 1800. They occupied western forts west and north of Penn. and along the Ohio.

"...British class and file remained..so did the families and their money..."

-The average British "grunt" didn't come over here with his family, and had precious little money. Those who did have both were the upper eschlons of the officer corps, aristrocrats all. They had very little reason-- if any-- to remain in America. And what the heck is this "class and file"? Surely you aren't suggesting that before the Revoluntairy War the citizens of colonial America were all pure and equal.

As for the assertion that "seperation of class" and "rights of priviledge" was the underlining cause of the War Between the States, well...that certinly is a new angle, I'll grant you that.

18 posted on 01/09/2002 6:17:58 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: Angelique; Taxreform; 1Olgoat; AppyPappy; BlackKnight 96; BufordP...
Thank you Angelique. This is always a good read, and instructive to those who would carefully read it.

"Real Americans would never have given up their rights without a fight."

Well, they did. And now, we are paying the price! Those who would destroy all that the Founding Fathers accomplished by daring to establish a new nation based on the magnificient prose in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution have very nearly succeeded.

There are a few of us who recognize what has happened and is happening to the wonderful Republic the Founders established. Our assignment, class, is simply stated, to restore the rule of law and the U.S. Constitution.

Are we up to the task?

Lord! I hope so. If we fail, we fail not only ourselves, but we fail each and every American who gave of his or her all to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"

And, we fail our children, our grandchildren and all future generations to come!

Wake up America!

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800.]

Click here to help us scrap the Code, scrap the IRS and abolish the VLWC!

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

19 posted on 01/09/2002 8:39:49 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Angelique;GeronL;PatrioticAmerican;toenail
I have been lurking around this forum long enough to know where this thread would head and I agree about most of it. My point was to offer a different perspective and get everyone to think a little more.
20 posted on 01/09/2002 8:59:34 AM PST by Fish out of Water
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