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WOULD THOMAS JEFFERSON THINK WE ARE FREE?
Unknown | Unknown | Steven L. Hayes and Charles Adams

Posted on 01/08/2002 10:30:15 PM PST by Angelique

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To: Taxman
..unless the people truly control their own government, the government is not likely to endorse or allow any sort of tax system which empowers the people.

Boy do I know that. I caught on to the government a long time ago. Anyone who thinks that government is their savior can forget it.

41 posted on 01/10/2002 5:58:45 AM PST by mafree
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To: mafree
Yup.
42 posted on 01/10/2002 7:31:58 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Taxman
a new, and MUCH improved, dixie republic will NOT have an income tax.
43 posted on 01/10/2002 7:34:23 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Taxman
Thank you, Taxman for the information. As far as the NRST, there is no question that this is the only way to break free from our current system of government extortion.

Won't it take a long time to accomplish this goal without greater pressure from the people? Shouldn't there be more publicity and education to the masses? We certainly cannot rely on our reps who would not relinquish fiscal and political control.

In the interim, aren't taxcuts a step in the right direction?

44 posted on 01/10/2002 7:35:03 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique; Taxreform
Angelique,

I am glad that you agree with me.

"Won't it take a long time to accomplish this goal without greater pressure from the people?"

Even with pressure from the people, it will take a long time. We the People will have to diselect some prominent anti-tax reform Representatives and Senators and elect pro-tax reform Representatives and Senators in 2002 and 2004 to get this job done.

"Shouldn't there be more publicity and education to the masses?"

Yes, most assuredly. We at NRSTA are constantly working to do that. Thass what we do, sweetie.

"We certainly cannot rely on our reps who would not relinquish fiscal and political control."

No, we cannot. We must threaten them with their jobs, and then carry through on the threat. IOW, send some of them packing!

If we can muster the grass roots strenght to send enough Representatives and Senators packing on the fundamental tax reform issue, the rest will fall into place. Keep in mind that to most of our elected officials, their most important job is to keep their elected position of power. It is a disease, and most elected officials have it.

In WDC, that disease, and it is a contagious disease, is called "Potomac Fever." But local, county and state elected officials have the local, county or state version of the same disease.

"In the interim, aren't taxcuts a step in the right direction?"

Yup. If they are immediate and meaningful.

45 posted on 01/10/2002 7:54:55 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Angelique
Jefferson would think we are nuts!
46 posted on 01/10/2002 8:00:48 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: stand watie
Ahm savin' mah Confederate money, Boy! Th' South gonna rise agin!
47 posted on 01/10/2002 8:02:25 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Taxman
as all the REAL CSA money is worth MORE than face value, you BETTER save it!

for dixie,sw

48 posted on 01/10/2002 9:08:58 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
Yup!
49 posted on 01/10/2002 9:14:02 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Taxman
bump!
50 posted on 01/10/2002 9:16:14 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Fish out of Water
Bravo!
51 posted on 01/10/2002 7:23:19 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Angelique
BUMP
52 posted on 01/10/2002 7:25:13 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: PatrioticAmerican
"Are you measuring success and happiness by material wealth?"

He and Jonah Goldberg.

53 posted on 01/10/2002 7:27:50 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: Angelique
"I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe."
--Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787

Jefferson would understand why things are the way they are and why we are the way we are.

Then he'd vedge out on the sofa in front of the TV. As hard as it was to get him here, it'll be even harder to get him to leave.

Tell him his Black descendants are coming over -- that may do the trick.

54 posted on 01/10/2002 7:39:01 PM PST by x
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Thank you for the quote from Jefferson to Madison as an example of his wisdom. Do you recall the Blue and Red map of our country from the past election for President? All the blue areas, the large cities, went to Gore.

Jefferson would understand why things are the way they are and why we are the way we are.

It appears that you do not agree with the authors of this article, and that Jefferson would just veg out on the couch and watch the tele, staying here to pay income taxes with a smile on his face.

You, x, are one disrespectful and unappreciative person of your heritage, and the founding of this country.

55 posted on 01/11/2002 1:18:28 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Fish out of Water
I am so glad to hear that you see the value of the NRST! As far as some of your ideas, we do already have philanthropic construction of many community structures, and there is volunteerism within our communities.

I believe the real problem eroding community spirit began with FDR, and the expectations of many that the government would take care of them. Hopefully, someday that will change. It already has taken a small step with the Welfare Reform Bill.

I agree that reducing the size of government will exist when we place many of its functions back within the private sector. And that my FRiend would start with abolishing the IT.

56 posted on 01/11/2002 1:34:24 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique
Sorry you didn't appreciate my joke. I read so much skepticism about other founders and heroes on FR. Jefferson, who advocated revolution every generation or so and was not troubled by the horrible revolutionary violence in France surely deserves as much skepticism as other great figures of his era and later American history.

While Jefferson would be appalled by the tax rates we have to pay, he'd recognize that such things do happen in societies that don't have a frontier to absorb the poor and give people an opportunity to escape to self-sufficiency and freedom. Jefferson was also heavily indebted in his last years. The idea of giving away 50 or 70 percent of one's income before one even sees it would not have been new to him.

57 posted on 01/11/2002 2:03:21 AM PST by x
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To: mafree
Right as rain mafree, right as rain.

Little Willie was "The Worst President In American History".

58 posted on 01/13/2002 12:15:53 PM PST by pigdog
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To: x
You seem to miss the entire point and have no concept of what America was founded on and how it has been corrupted. I paid over $30,000 to the federal government last year. I got laid off. If I'm lucky I may make a total of $25,000 this year. If I don't pay $10,000 of that meager amount to the federal government for more taxes they say I owe from last year I just may go to jail. Add in the taxes they plan to take from me this year.

I'll be damned if I let my children go hungry to satisfy the like of you or this "American" government. BTW, less than $4,000 of the $40,000 I supposedly owe for last year will actually be used to benefit "the poor". Most of the rest is eaten up by the beaurocracy with maybe $6,000 going to the purposes our government should be responsible for.

59 posted on 01/21/2002 9:04:41 PM PST by ridensm
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To: ridensm
If I had known what you were going through, I would have written differently. My point was just that Jefferson, $107,000 in debt, was no stranger to financial worries and tax troubles.

I sympathize with your problems. I hope everything works out for you and your family.

60 posted on 01/21/2002 10:40:51 PM PST by x
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