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WOULD THOMAS JEFFERSON THINK WE ARE FREE?
Unknown | Unknown | Steven L. Hayes and Charles Adams

Posted on 01/08/2002 10:30:15 PM PST by Angelique

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To: Taxman
well said!

for dixie,sw

21 posted on 01/09/2002 9:25:05 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Fish out of Water
And I appreciate your thoughtful post! As far as knowing where this would be heading, take it from me, most folks do not agree with abolishing the IT! BTW, I forgot to compliment you on your astute observation about the end of slavery!
22 posted on 01/09/2002 10:41:27 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Taxman
BRAVO!!!!! Everyone should go to your site and sign the Petition, at least, and make sure to write President Bush!
23 posted on 01/09/2002 10:51:58 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique
We-have-become-willing-slaves BUMP
24 posted on 01/09/2002 10:55:40 AM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: Angelique
Thank you, Angelique.

When they visit our web site, they can educate themselves, take a tax reform survey, sign our petition and most important, donate a few FRNs to help us abolish the income tax and the IRS.

25 posted on 01/09/2002 1:18:19 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Angelique, Taxman
...In a sad voice, Jefferson says, "When we wrote the Constitution, all of us knew history. We knew that great civilizations began to decline when they introduced direct taxation..

I love the article, but can anyone tell me of a successful society that doesn't utilize direct taxation?

26 posted on 01/09/2002 1:23:40 PM PST by mafree
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To: EricOKC
You're right- do you have any info that could compare whether or not post-1913 America is better off materially?
28 posted on 01/09/2002 1:43:31 PM PST by mafree
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To: Angelique
Jefferson could see it. If you really look, you can see it too.

Yep. And it becomes more painfully obvious every day.

29 posted on 01/09/2002 1:46:50 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: EricOKC
Material goods and technological advancement do not determine a sucessful society.

Of course, you're right and that being the determining factor, the answer to my question may just be obvious.

32 posted on 01/09/2002 1:54:30 PM PST by mafree
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To: NC_Libertarian
Bump for later
33 posted on 01/09/2002 2:06:03 PM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: Angelique
Would Jefferson think that we were Free ????

In a word....

HA !!


34 posted on 01/09/2002 2:11:23 PM PST by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: Taxman
Thank you for saying the TRUTH!
35 posted on 01/09/2002 8:11:00 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Angelique
Having come of age reading Ayn Rand and long enough ago that she was still doing a lectures, I am no fan of the income tax. The National Retail Sales Tax is an improvement.

I believe that someday our Society will be rich enough that all legitimate government functions can be funded entirely from voluntary contributions. There were a few Greek City States that succeeded in funding themselves by hitting up the Rich for voluntary funding. In the Old west labor and funding for a Civic building or a bridge was often a voluntary affair.

As long as those paying could direct what projects they want funded, then every project would have both popular support and support of those who pay the bill. It would sure put a limit on Government.

36 posted on 01/09/2002 9:12:17 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: Angelique
WOULD THOMAS JEFFERSON THINK WE ARE FREE?

No.

37 posted on 01/09/2002 9:14:54 PM PST by Jay W
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To: mafree
but can anyone tell me of a successful society that doesn't utilize direct taxation?

I am sorry, but I do not have knowledge of international economics other than most countries do have some sort of a direct tax system. The rates of corporate taxes is usually far greater in proportion to that of individual income taxes, and in some countries that aspect is disproportianate. I would be curious, too, but I do think the question belies the point of the founding of THIS country.

38 posted on 01/10/2002 2:29:10 AM PST by Angelique
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To: mafree; Taxreform; 1Olgoat; AppyPappy; BlackKnight 96; BufordP; Chairman_December_19th_Society...
mafree, what you have to understand is that, historically, government is the enemy of the people, particularly [especially?) when the issue is taxation.

The history of the world is replete with struggles between the people's desire to be FRee and a (not necessarily their own) government's desire to control all aspects of people's lives.

You see this phenomenon acted out daily in local, county, state and federal governments all over the world.

Given this situation, unless the people truly control their own government, the government is not likely to endorse or allow any sort of tax system which empowers the people.

Governments support tax systems which empower government.

The major countries of the world have direct taxation because direct taxation facilitates maximum control of the people.

There are some notable exceptions: Russia recently adopted a low rate flat income tax system; Ireland has annoyed the Socialist planners in Europe by adopting a low rate tax system; Hong Kong has a low-rate flat income tax system; Monaco has a gambling tax and a sales tax, and many small countries and principalities (viz, Belize, The Caiman Islands, etc.) are known as "tax havens" because they have low tax rates.

These so called "tax havens," BTW, are under increasing attack by the high tax states (mostly European) to "harmonize" (i.e., dramatically increase) their tax rates with the high tax countries. This saga is being played out in an arena of trade, political and financial blackmail out of view of most of the world.

My point is that We the People are going to have to wage political war with our own government if we want to change to a tax system which will maximize individual FReedom and Libery, economic growth and equality of treatment under the law.

The National Retail Sales Tax (NRST) will do that very nicely, TYVM. At the same time, the NRST will empower We the People and disempower government at all levels.

Can't ask for much more than that, can we?

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800.]

Click here to help us scrap the Code, scrap the IRS and abolish the VLWC!

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

39 posted on 01/10/2002 5:14:27 AM PST by Taxman
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To: B4Ranch
Thank you, sir. And I intend to keep on doing so!
40 posted on 01/10/2002 5:15:41 AM PST by Taxman
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