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Why The Left Is Going Gonzo Over Asking Citizenship Status On The Census
The Federalist ^ | 3/1/2018 | Ben Weingarten

Posted on 03/06/2018 5:11:22 AM PST by rlmorel

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I am often guilty of taking shortcuts to determine good from bad, friend from enemy, and right from wrong due to the firehose stream of information we are often subjected to. I cannot read or watch every single thing out there on the Internet, but I do accept the responsibility for my own knowledge about events since I have stopped watching/listening/reading the media angle on things.

This means I am often in a position to use shorthand methods to determine who is on what side of a given issue, and what is the conservative and/or correct side of that issue.

For example, voter fraud, voting rights, voter ID laws, and voting processes. When I examine the issue of voter fraud, voter rights/voter ID/voting processes, it is easy for me to side with the Constitution. Other related issues which may not be as clear cut since there are a hodgepodge of state voting processes, etc, I try to examine on a case by case basis, which is...a lot to look at, and I often look for shorthand evaluations to help.

A good example of this is the issue of voter fraud. When I look at this issue, I see clear facets that make 100% sense to me that help me decide. As an ancillary, I use other proxy factors. In the case of voter fraud, I can see two clear and undeniable things that will mitigate some aspects of voter fraud: Annual cleansing of the voter rolls by two means: Removing the names of people who have died, and removing the names of people who are no longer residents of a given state. Seems undeniably logical to me. Dead people can't vote, and people who are not residents of a state should be voting in another state.

As a proxy, I look at the people who are opposed to cleansing the voter rolls of dead people and people who are not residents of a state. They are overwhelmingly, and without exception, Leftists of all stripes. So when I see those same people on an issue, I take a knee-jerk reaction towards certain conclusions, and I am usually right.

In the case of this article, the question of asking citizenship on a census makes absolute and perfect sense to me, so I dismiss the arguments against it. When I see people like Eric Holder on an issue like this, I utilize a shorthand process to validate. (Basically, if he is for it, I am against it).

What are your thoughts on this particular issue, and the use of shorthand judgements in certain cases to cement a judgement?

1 posted on 03/06/2018 5:11:22 AM PST by rlmorel
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To: rlmorel

There should be no questions on ethnicity. bammy wanted a “middle eastern” category (a proxy for “muslim”). However, it should ask about citizenship, and whether the person accepts the rights and obligations of the US Constitution. Those who reply NO, are deported the next day.


2 posted on 03/06/2018 5:22:57 AM PST by I want the USA back (Liberalism is the denial of human nature. Liberals are insane. Liberals should be in strait jackets.)
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To: rlmorel
a seemingly trivial question the Department of Justice has urged the Census Bureau to reinstate on the 2020 Census: Are you a U.S. citizen?

Took a little digging, but I find the question of citizenship has not been on the census since 1950, and no reason was given.

I would have guessed it was removed for 2010, reason obvious!

3 posted on 03/06/2018 5:29:31 AM PST by grobdriver (BUILD KATE'S WALL!)
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To: I want the USA back

The purpose of the census is enumeration for establishing voter districts. This implies you would not count non-citizens.

As an extreme example, there are over 700k people in each election district. If the residents were 100% non-citizens, then these non-citizens would have their own representative in congress!

I think shortcuts are unreliable, other than trying to scrap the bs and go to the main point, as I sort of did above.


4 posted on 03/06/2018 5:32:10 AM PST by fruser1
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To: I want the USA back

I see it as a win-win.

At the top, someplace like California may suffer with respect to representation in the House, if a lot of people don’t report in the census because they don’t want to disclose they are not a citizen.

I don’t see a downside to it.


5 posted on 03/06/2018 5:41:20 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette)
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To: grobdriver
Reading the article, I find that the citizenship question was asked on the long form census until 2000. Omitted completely only in the Obama census of 2010.
6 posted on 03/06/2018 5:44:03 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: fruser1

Shorthand analysis isn’t meant to be reliable, but then, it does boil down to “Define reliable”.

I find I am occasionally wrong when I look at an advocate for some thing, and just say out of hand “If that person is all for it, it cannot be good for this country”, etc.

But I find that it is spot on for me more than 90% of the time. So, my takeaway is that I probably should pick and choose my spots a bit more carefully, and triage them appropriately to use a shorthand analysis on.


7 posted on 03/06/2018 5:44:09 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Geez. There is a surprise.


8 posted on 03/06/2018 5:44:39 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette)
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To: rlmorel
Nully's modest proposal to end voter fraud:
• Paper ballots
• Purple fingers
• Mandatory free on demand BIOMETRIC (iris scan, nobody ever left their irises at a crime scene!) photo ID, with a database that instantly flags for arrest anyone seeking multiple IDs. Change of name? Simply have your old card voided when you apply for the new one.
• No precinct reports their totals until ALL precincts report they have totals. This prevents the last to report precinct captains from knowing how much to fudge a report to give a win to their preferred candidate while maintaining some slight semblance of credibility.
• Repeal Motor Voter.
• End same-day registration where it exists, and allow ample time between registration and election for vetting of credentials of registrants.
• Instantly deport any non-citizen who registers to vote.
• Voter ID must be renewed every 10 years, in person.
• Put a little ⩍ next to the names of those registered voters with death certificates, and detain and put a 72 hour psychiatric hold anyone claiming to be a dead person...
Of course, if this is a federal law, it would only apply to federal elections. If a state, county, city or wide spot in the road doesn't want to control who votes, they can pay to have separate local ballots for any munchkin who wanders in on election day printed out of their own pocket.
9 posted on 03/06/2018 6:06:11 AM PST by null and void ("If you see something say something." "If we say something *DO* something!!!")
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To: grobdriver
Took a little digging, but I find the question of citizenship has not been on the census since 1950, and no reason was given.

The article says the citizenship question was on the long form (sent to 1 in 6 households) as recently as 2000.

10 posted on 03/06/2018 6:10:29 AM PST by Will88
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To: null and void

“Final solution to the Illegal Immigration
and Voter Fraud problems”
at
http://www.AmericanSkyNews.com


11 posted on 03/06/2018 6:28:04 AM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: Leo Carpathian

That you. Peoples who love this country and freedom are always welcome.


12 posted on 03/06/2018 6:49:37 AM PST by null and void ("If you see something say something." "If we say something *DO* something!!!")
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To: null and void
Thank you.

Darned Otto Core Wrecked...

13 posted on 03/06/2018 7:01:09 AM PST by null and void ("If you see something say something." "If we say something *DO* something!!!")
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To: null and void

Good proposal. But I have issue with item 7.

Non-citizens who attempt to vote are committing an act of war against these United States and should be treated accordingly. (citizens who enable such an attack are committing treason) Either life in prison at some off shore facility (GITMO) or execution. Deporting them just lets them try again and encourages others to attack us.

We need to make the world fear us again.


14 posted on 03/06/2018 7:11:07 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Fair enough. Most illegal criminal aliens fear deportation back to their sh!thole countries almost as much as life in prison.

We can work up to that if needed, personally, I prefer the minimum amount to force needed to accomplish a goal.

15 posted on 03/06/2018 7:22:52 AM PST by null and void ("If you see something say something." "If we say something *DO* something!!!")
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To: null and void

Those are great suggestions. Excellent, very well thought out. Very commonsense and do-able.

Gee. Why on earth couldn’t these type of things be talked about at a national level in a way that the government is looking out for the good of the citizenry and the sovereignty of the country?

Why?

Because the Left doesn’t have the “good of the citizenry” nor the “sovereignty of the country” first and foremost.

What they have first and foremost is their own power and ability to oppress those who don’t agree with them.


16 posted on 03/06/2018 8:59:36 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette)
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To: rlmorel

The only downside I see is that Texas may lose some census count, and thus possibly, some representation. I can live with that.


17 posted on 03/06/2018 10:27:31 AM PST by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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To: zeugma

100% true. That is a risk. But to someone like you, upholding our sovereignty is more important than fealty to a political party. You get it, for sure...:)


18 posted on 03/06/2018 10:39:09 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette)
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To: rlmorel
If 'the dead' are removed from voter roles we won't know the extent of democrat VOTER fraud.

The dead ARE ONLY AN ISSUE IF THEY VOTE.

SO ASK YOURSELF THE OBVIOUS QUESTION: HOW ARE THE DEAD VOTING?

When you answer that question you'll know how the fraud is done.

If the FBI wants to stop voter fraud they should ADD fake names to the roles - THEN GO AFTER THE PEOPLE VOTING THOSE NAMES. The same should be done will illegals on the roles. If they vote go after them for the crime of 'messing with our elections'. The FBI can pretend they're 'russians who might damage liberals' or something... but GO AFTER THEM, ARREST THEM AND LET THE COURTS DEAL WITH THE CRIME.

19 posted on 03/06/2018 10:42:36 AM PST by GOPJ (Trump isn't starting a trade war - he's trying to end the trade war against the USA - Iron Munro)
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To: Liz; I want the USA back; grobdriver; fruser1; hinckley buzzard; null and void; Will88; ...
If 'the dead' are removed from voter roles we won't know the extent of democrat VOTER fraud.

The dead ARE ONLY AN ISSUE IF THEY VOTE.

SO ASK YOURSELF THE OBVIOUS QUESTION: HOW ARE THE DEAD VOTING?

When you answer that question you'll know how the fraud is done.

If the FBI wants to stop voter fraud they should ADD fake names to the roles - THEN GO AFTER THE PEOPLE VOTING THOSE NAMES.

The same should be done will illegals on the roles. If they vote go after them for the crime of 'messing with our elections'. The FBI can pretend they're 'russians who might damage liberals' or something... but GO AFTER THEM, ARREST THEM AND LET THE COURTS DEAL WITH THE CRIME.

20 posted on 03/06/2018 10:46:38 AM PST by GOPJ (Trump isn't starting a trade war - he's trying to end the trade war against the USA - Iron Munro)
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