Posted on 03/02/2016 7:58:56 AM PST by Whenifhow
aarrgghh Can’t stand Ben Ginsberg! I swear he’s the devil in human form.
No “and”. They know Cruz will be self-limiting because he will not move away from his hardcore conservative principles thus he will not be able to win.
Trump is the threat and he’s the only one in the crosshairs. They will go after him on his positions, his business reputation, and his personal stuff like the bogus KKK story.
They think if they buy enough advertising they can make more people turn away from Trump. Some may, but we wouldn’t be having this conversation if those methods worked.
Jeb!s former communications director will be running the new superPAC, so that right there tells you something about how effective it will be.
I guess my question is...What is your suggestion on how to handle it if Trump falls short of 51%?
Should they pass a new rule before the convention that changes the existing rules in favor of Trump?
Should they mandate that after the first vote if no candidate reaches 51%, all of the delegates are forced to change their votes to whoever had the most votes in prior vote?
I don’t really see the issue here. The convention is setup in a way that if there is overwhelming support for a candidate (>50%), he becomes the nominee. If there isn’t, the party needs to find consensus. That is the way the convention has always worked and from a practical standpoint, I think makes the most sense.
Who would be disenfranchised? A nominee is chosen by a majority of delegates at the convention, not a plurality. If Trump can’t win a majority of the delegate votes at the convention, then what would give him the right to be the nominee?
This is no different than saying that voters were “disenfranchised” in 2000 when Gore lost the election after “winning” a plurality of the popular vote.
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My understanding from the discussion on the video was that this would be the “plan” to steal the nomination by denying delegates that should go to the frontrunner.
Perhaps others have a better understanding and could share.
I think conservatives and Americans as a whole feel their votes should count, and thus a brokered convention is just another way for the elite Ruling Class to subvert the will of We the People.
Interesingly, Ginsburg explains that even this “triple bank shot” would involve a massive effort at the STATE level. He said nothing that would indicate that such a plan is in operation, only that both sides understood how it worked.
What WAS said is that there’s a new SuperPAC being formed to Stop Trump through negative ads on TV, etc. This is a big expenditure that seemingly would not help much to lobby delegates at the state level.
So it seems to me the superPAC strategy is disconnected from the only long-shot process which can potentially deny Trump the nomination through a brokered convention.
Interesting but..
Basically:
1. Convention Chairman Paul Ryan has the rules re-written before the vote to whatever he wants.
2. Delegates are approached by his representatives: “Mistuh Ryan wants dat youse should vote for dis guy...”
It varies by state, but, in general, a candidate who drops out can't 'give' his delegates to another candidate. Delegates have to follow their state party rules.
For example, Iowa delegates for this cycle have their (first ballot) votes automatically allotted whether or not the candidate qualifies to have his name placed in nomination or whether he has dropped out.
IMO, all of the brokered convention analysis completely misses the mark.
Trump is a skilled business man, he doesn’t venture into unknown situations where he loses control (such as a brokered convention). If Trump doesn’t have his 8 states locked down soon enough, look for him to make a deal with Cruz (and Rubio if he still around and pulling in meaningful numbers) to have his opponents drop out in time for Trump to head into the convention assured of a first ballot win.
It wouldn’t even be a hard sell. I’m a Cruz supporter, but if Ted stands up and says that the only path to defeat the Washington cartel is to throw in behind Trump... There isn’t really much of an alternative.
This creates a kingmaker situation where 2nd place might actually matter if it is a strong second place. Ironically the flip side of the same coin is that by encouraging the also-rans to stick around, they also prevent a clear alternative to Trump.
A strange election.
IMO, all of the brokered convention analysis completely misses the mark.
Trump is a skilled business man, he doesn’t venture into unknown situations where he loses control (such as a brokered convention). If Trump doesn’t have his 8 states locked down soon enough, look for him to make a deal with Cruz (and Rubio if he still around and pulling in meaningful numbers) to have his opponents drop out in time for Trump to head into the convention assured of a first ballot win.
It wouldn’t even be a hard sell. I’m a Cruz supporter, but if Ted stands up and says that the only path to defeat the Washington cartel is to throw in behind Trump... There isn’t really much of an alternative.
This creates a kingmaker situation where 2nd place might actually matter if it is a strong second place. Ironically the flip side of the same coin is that by encouraging the also-rans to stick around, they also prevent a clear alternative to Trump.
A strange election.
Interesting. As a Crus supporter do you think he would ever agree that stopping the Ruling Class GOPe Washington DC cartel is an important enough goal that he would support Trump if that’s the only or best way to do so?
I looked for that last night in his speech, after noticing Trump had said some complimentary things about Cruz, but I saw nothing that would indicate he would do so.
Ooooh...is that how it works?
And here I thought it involved lampposts and rope.
If Trump falls short of 51% they have every right to open the convention.
But if they do so, just about all of his voters will sit home in November. They have to ask themselves if they really want to do that.
Trump’s going to win so much that we’ll be sick of winning, right? So he should have over 50% of the delegates, right?
If he doesn’t then, guess what? He isn’t the winner and the nominee will be decided by the pre-existing rules of the party and its convention.
It’s utterly and literally conventional.
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“I think conservatives and Americans as a whole feel their votes should count, and thus a brokered convention is just another way for the elite Ruling Class to subvert the will of We the People.”
It would have that effect and even Maddow pointed that out.
IMHO, this ‘brokered convention’ is more for the benefit of the media elites than anything else. They talk about it for two reasons.
First, just think how self-serving all this media talk is. Keeps you tuned in, doesn’t it.
Second, just think how self-serving all this media talk is. There is simply nothing that would boost their ratings and increase their sense of importance than a ‘brokered convention’. The news channels would be 24/7 with interviews including the janitor who thinks he might have heard something from someone who might be important talking about how the junior assistant sub-chairman from Ohio has stomach distress from eating at Taco Bell and how this might or might not affect when Kasich releases his delegates.
Nothing the Republicans do ever works.
The old Bush Admin sycophants have been all over the cable channels basically saying that they (and all the establishment) will flock to Hillary if necessary.
It is exactly as we all have been saying since 2008.
They would far and away rather lose and keep their little slice of the pie than have Trump (or Cruz even) win and force them all to find new sinecures.
They would rather lose the country!
Good point. I often note that the media is advertizing supported, so everything they do is to that end. The program content is just a means of getting us to watch the commercials, and the more provocative and intriguing they can make it, the more likely it is we will do so.
“After the Convention is suspended for four days, due to 1968-style rioting occurring outside the convention hall, they’d select some RINO candidate who would go down in flames in November.”
Yes, but McTurtle, McLame, Linda & the like would be just as happy in the minority to keep the status quo!
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