Posted on 03/02/2016 7:58:56 AM PST by Whenifhow
“As a Crus supporter do you think he would ever agree that stopping the Ruling Class GOPe Washington DC cartel is an important enough goal that he would support Trump if that’s the only or best way to do so?”
Yeah, I do... but then again, because I still support Cruz, I tend to view him as principled... where most Trump supporters don’t otherwise they might still support Cruz. The real question is where Trump and Cruz land.
An interesting nuance, is that Ted’s sales pitch that he is the only one who can stop Trump... could be viewed as much as a pitch to Trump as a pitch to the general voters. And... as you noticed, Trump was pretty gracious to Cruz... not so much to Rubio.
No, if he falls short they HAVE NO OTHER OPTION than to open the convention.
You didn't answer the question...What should be done?
If Rubio picks a 78 year old Catholic grandmother from Deluth Minnesota name Vera Tranelli as one of his delegates, she is bound to him for the first ballot. How do you propose she should be bound to Trump for the second ballot? Even IF Rubio released his delegates and asked them to vote for Trump doesn't mean Vera would. Maybe she hates Trump. Maybe abortion is her #1 issue and she wants to vote for Cruz.
How do you propose we change the rules so that Vera is FORCED to vote for your candidate on the second ballot?
I didn’t really hear anything that would result in stealing delegates. They were talking about delegates from 37 states who are bound to vote for a particular candidate on the first ballot, but who are chosen by the state party rather than the candidate’s campaign. He said that they are bound to vote for a particular candidate for president, but are not bound to vote in any particular way on procedural issues or on the vice presidential nominee.
None of this could result in Trump losing bound delegate votes. The vast majority of delegates are bound by state party rules (and, in some cases I believe, by state law) to vote for a particular candidate on at least the first ballot. So, if Trump has a majority of the bound delegates going into the convention, nothing Ginsburg is talking about is going to prevent him from being the nominee. It might prevent him from having his choice as running mate or in influencing the party platform, but he would still be the nominee.
The only way any of this would affect Trump’s (or any other “frontrunner’s”) nomination is if he has less than a majority of the delegates. If more than a couple ballots go by without a majority winner, then all of the bound delegates, including Trump’s delegates, would no longer be bound and would be free to vote for whoever they chose. What Ginsburg was talking about is that while these delegates may be bound to vote for Trump on the first ballot, they are not necessarily Trump supporters themselves, and may vote for someone other than Trump if and when they become free to do so.
My point is that if he has less than a majority of the delegates, then his losing the nomination isn’t “theft” because (1) this is not a plurality nomination, and (2) there is no obligation to nominate the “frontrunner” if he doesn’t have a majority of the delegates.
Exactly so. The guys on Mt. Rushmore didn’t become nominees by strictly democratic rules. I’m pretty sure none of them ever won a primary at all.
The GOPe not only ignored the will of the voters after the 2014, but they very effectively extended their middle fingers in a bit “Eff Yew” to us. So ...yeah. We’re already at banana republic stage here.
As for Trump being ‘the only one we know for certain will fight back’...that’s BS. Cruz has a proven track record of fighting back, which Trump fans rather pointedly and deliberately are ignoring. Why?
“Good point. I often note that the media is advertizing supported, so everything they do is to that end. The program content is just a means of getting us to watch the commercials, and the more provocative and intriguing they can make it, the more likely it is we will do so.”
I asked a good who was a media program director why the weatherman was the last part of the 6PM news. His answer? The majority only watches to get the weather report. You put the weatherman on first and you won’t have anyone watching the commercials and no one will advertise on your station.
How would it work? I dunno, but I know it won’t end well.
Where do you live? Out here in the Midwest, weather is usually in the first few minutes followed by lengthier report about halfway through the local news.
Around here, the weather man does appear in the first few minutes but says nothing substantial except that you need to stay tuned for his report. He will do this two or three times through the program. This prompted my question, why not just let him come on and make his full report? And the answer is as soon as he gives his full report nobody watches anything else.
Cruz’s effort is not to DEFEAT the Washington Cartel. He IS the Washington Cartel. He’s a stealth candidate for the Washington Political Class, the establishment, the globalists. So he’ll never drop out in favor of Trump.
The Republican Party is, as we speak, fully mobilized in each state with every delegate to turn the delegate, flip him, bribe him, blackmail him, replace him, disqualify him. Don’t underestimate the threat that Trump represents to the Uniparty and the Washington Political Class, Donor Class, lobbyists, bureaucrats, government controlled media, etc.
This is the year, the culmination of the co-opting of WORDS by the Republicans, much as the left has long known how to co-opt and redefine words and control the dialog by controlling the language.
SINCE WHEN was THIS not REAL CONSERVATISM: Make America great, build the military so strong that no one will attack it, stop drugs pouring over the border, stop illegals pouring over our borders and sucking our welfare systems dry, don't let the enemy (muslims) IN like a trojan horse, don't fund their resettlement here, cut the budget, cut the deficit, eliminate waste, fraud and duplication and redundancy, and TAKE CARE OF OUR VETERANS!
THAT is "conservative". ALL OUR LIVES that is CONSERVATIVE.
But...But....we are told NOW by Cruz, Rubio, the RNC, that we are phony conservatives. And that REAL conservatives believe the following:
NOW, however, the Cruzs and the GOPe and the globalists tell us that "real conservative" means "free trade agreements" like TPP, which screw the US to the brink of existence; promote the North American Union; open and uncontrolled borders and immigration; multiculturalism, like resettling muslim Syrians and Somalians by the hundreds of thousands in flyover country. Run trade deficits in the hundreds of billions and growing each year---approved by REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS, giving the LEFT everything on their wildest wish list. Export US jobs to other countries and allow them to ship their products back her with zero tariffs. Accept massive tariffs or complete prohibitions to get our goods into other countries while opening our borders to freely allow other countries to sell their products here with zero tariffs.
If you do not support THESE things, you are not a "real conservative." TRUMP and TRUMP supporters are phony conservatives because we do not support the end of US sovereignty, nationalism and patriotism.
The political class and globalists have twisted it so that Cruz-family globalism (500,000 more H1B highly skilled visas; massive increases in H2 visas for lettuce pickers; taking bribes from the banks who were GIVEN trillions of taxpayer money in 2008; remove all caps on work visas for China, Mexico and India, allowing them to take the remaining US STEM jobs until crony capitalists can finish exporting the jobs entirely.
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