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Whoa: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings
hot air ^ | 1-8-16 | Morrisey

Posted on 01/08/2016 8:16:13 AM PST by doug from upland

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To: palmer

“”Making assumptions is a good way to be disappointed.””

“Likewise ignoring facts.”

You outlined several POSSIBILITIES. Possibilities are not facts. Some of the possibilities were criminal offenses, some were not. Don’t count your chickens, etc.


101 posted on 01/08/2016 1:11:07 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (It's the apocalypse, lets have some fun!)
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To: Norseman
My point in asking about the meaning of “nonpaper”

See this Wiki page, and search for "non-paper." It explains what a non-paper is--essentially part of a policy request to a foreign official. Quote:

Written material: This section is used to provide instructions on any written material to be left with the host government official(s). Such material could take the form of an aide-memoire, a letter, or a "non-paper" that provides a written version of the verbal presentation (i.e., the talking points as delivered). Unless otherwise instructed, post should normally provide an aide-memoire or non-paper at the conclusion of a demarche. Any classified aide-memoire or non-paper must be appropriately marked and caveated as to the countries authorized for receipt, e.g. "Rel. UK" indicates "Releasable to the United Kingdom")

102 posted on 01/08/2016 1:16:50 PM PST by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Your first post was the possibility that they used secure fax even though the talking points were unclassified. That's a possibility so I asked why she instructed them to strip the headers. Your answer was the possibility they stripped the subject which was classified. So I pointed out that they have no authority at all to strip subject lines (or anything else) from a classified document and call it unclassified.

Do you have any more possibilities to offer? Anything that doesn't involve breaking the law?

103 posted on 01/08/2016 2:08:05 PM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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To: doug from upland; maggief; Brown Deer; Old Sarge; 2ndDivisionVet; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; ...
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Whoa: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

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104 posted on 01/08/2016 2:08:10 PM PST by LucyT
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To: palmer

“Your answer was the possibility they stripped the subject which was classified.”

Where did I say that?

Lets Recap. You asked “What would “w no identifying heading” mean?”
I replied “IDK, no subject line? It could mean something other than a classification label.”

The point was that we shouldn’t assume the document was classified. It might have only been politically embarrassing and they stripped that part out.


105 posted on 01/08/2016 2:39:16 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (It's the apocalypse, lets have some fun!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Yes, it's time.
Stick A Fork In Her

106 posted on 01/08/2016 2:58:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: doug from upland

.....and yet, she still walks free. Sigh


107 posted on 01/08/2016 4:02:12 PM PST by luvie (Cruz or Lose!)
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To: GOPJ

Talking points themselves might have zero security issues because if they were for talking it was probably for public consumption.
May not be a smoking anything.


108 posted on 01/08/2016 4:11:45 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: i_robot73

Re what does HDR stand for, Hilary was christened Hilary Diane Rodman at birth.


109 posted on 01/08/2016 4:16:58 PM PST by Steven Scharf
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To: Steven Scharf

Again, I see no ‘normal’ admin going through the history of their client to setup mnemonics based on BIRTH names; let alone appending whatever numbering system devised, for a group of (let’s say) 10 users.

At best, it’s a waste of taxpayer $$ (admin/time), at the worst (which I’d wager), nefarious means of obfuscation and deceit.


110 posted on 01/08/2016 4:26:22 PM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: i_robot73

I don’t disagree with you. Just letting you know where they got HDR from.


111 posted on 01/08/2016 5:27:55 PM PST by Steven Scharf
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To: palmer
What heading could possibly be on talking points that would be the only thing that is classified?

With state it could be lots of things, for example: group, person, or nation. Might have talking points for negotiations; cut opium production by 20% over next two years; get release of two American agents in Western city; offer up to $200 million in support... as long as I don't say who or what location/nation this applies to it isn't classified, but if I do then very highly classified.

112 posted on 01/08/2016 7:21:31 PM PST by LambSlave
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To: LambSlave

What heading?

How about Sensitive Compartmentalized Information


113 posted on 01/08/2016 7:25:56 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: LambSlave
Might have talking points for negotiations; cut opium production by 20% over next two years;

Opium = Afghanistan, perhaps Mexico or Pakistan. But the rest of the talking points would narrow it down.

get release of two American agents in Western city;

Is that another talking point or an new example from a different memo? If a new example then the rest of the talking points could ID the country that we are spying on. If the same memo, then the country is obvious and the memo is still classified even with the country name redacted.

There is one case where your scenario would be ok. Specifically the contents of the page are unclassified because a) every item on the page is marked unclassified and b) the totality of the items do no make it classified. But the page is from a classified document and so has top and bottom headers marking it classified. In that case security personnel could scan and send the contents without the top and bottom headers. It is unlikely that it applies to this case but it is possible,

114 posted on 01/08/2016 7:44:23 PM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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To: A CA Guy

Maybe... we’ll have to wait and see what the FBI comes up with...


115 posted on 01/08/2016 8:59:15 PM PST by GOPJ (Hillary's a broccoli politician - Donald Trump's an all-you-can-eat donut truck. Glenn Thrush)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wonder if any of these people have made a deal with the FBI to tell all in exchange for leniency.


116 posted on 01/08/2016 9:05:38 PM PST by GOPJ (Hillary's a broccoli politician - Donald Trump's an all-you-can-eat donut truck. Glenn Thrush)
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To: doug from upland
The Smoking Gun!

"When Sullivan tells her that the source is having trouble with the secure fax, Hillary then orders Sullivan to have the data stripped of its markings and sent through a non-secure channel."


117 posted on 01/08/2016 10:41:08 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: doug from upland

Most of the MSM websites are still putting “Hillary broke the law” stories down toward the bottom of their sidebar, which is like saying “Reginal Denny got hit”.


118 posted on 01/09/2016 11:03:05 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Death before disco.)
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To: doug from upland

This explains why Shrillary and her team were saying weakly that the documents in her e-mails weren’t marked classified, so how the hell were they supposed to know? The fact is, satellite intelligence pictures were in those e-mails. They weren’t marked with classification markings? BS!!! That stuff is born classified. There’s a reason that reconnaissance pictures (aside from a very few grainy ones) from the Cuban missile crisis are just being publicly released now.


119 posted on 01/09/2016 11:07:44 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Death before disco.)
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To: txrefugee

We already know what’s going to happen. It’ll be Wen Ho Lee all over again. The FBI will “accidentally” botch something, violate Hillary’s rights on some technicality, and “have to” let her go because a federal judge “can’t” accept the evidence. Like Wen, they’ll convict Hillary of jaywalking and sentence her to no-show probation while she travels the world.


120 posted on 01/09/2016 11:11:14 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Death before disco.)
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