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what would you do? (vanity)
8-16-14 | Enterprise

Posted on 08/16/2014 8:09:55 AM PDT by Enterprise

You park your SUV in a space and you and your wife prepare to do some shopping. You open the door and a 300 pound jerk is near to the vehicle and he slams your door shut and yells at you and tells you to leave, and says your kind don't belong around here. You get out of the vehicle, and the jerk pushes you back into it, punches you in the face a few times, and for good measure, punches your wife in the mouth, splitting her lip. He walks away and you get out of your car, and you have your concealed weapon in hand. The jerk is about 35 feet away. He sees you and angrily yells that he told to leave and he's going to f... you up! He charges at you, and you only have a couple of seconds to decide. What would YOU do?


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35 feet is a little more than ten yards. A football player is good condition can cover that in slightly more than a second. The thug coming at you will cover that ground in a couple seconds from a standing start.
1 posted on 08/16/2014 8:09:55 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Enterprise
Something like this:


2 posted on 08/16/2014 8:11:57 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Enterprise

If he’s dumb enough to charge someone pointing a gun at him he’s already punched, he’s gonna get shot.

It was either that, or as the eyewitnesses said, the scuffle happened, gun is in hands of officer pointing at Brown and he fired.

Would you shoot someone that just punched you in the face? Or let them go into the system and likely walk ?


3 posted on 08/16/2014 8:12:31 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Enterprise

rack n’ fire- I’m afraid for my life.


4 posted on 08/16/2014 8:13:07 AM PDT by blu
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To: Enterprise

Take down the feral animal with a full clip...just as the Ferguson PO did to a 6’4” 300-lb thug named Michael Brown.


5 posted on 08/16/2014 8:13:12 AM PDT by twister881
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To: Enterprise

Research time: “Tueller Drill” - BEFORE you comment.


6 posted on 08/16/2014 8:13:14 AM PDT by QBFimi (/...o.o/.o...ooo/...o.o...o/ooo/...o.o/.o/ooo.//o..o./. o.)
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To: Enterprise

Get down on my knees and beg forgiveness for my white privilege?

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7 posted on 08/16/2014 8:14:36 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: blu

Forget the rack part.


8 posted on 08/16/2014 8:14:53 AM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Enterprise

I’d throw on my cammo, jump in my tank, and call out the sharp shooters.


9 posted on 08/16/2014 8:15:51 AM PDT by DManA
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To: twister881

and then don’t call it in? yeah, ain’t buying yet


10 posted on 08/16/2014 8:15:51 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Enterprise

I have the superior weapon - my SUV. Before he gets to the point of assaulting my wife, I have everyone back in the vehicle and I am driving to another store. I can, from there, call the store and call the police if he is continually menacing customers.

If I happen to give him a little Tony Stewart action on my way past him, I have eye witnesses to support me that the thug started it and I was just attempting to leave.


11 posted on 08/16/2014 8:17:07 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: Enterprise

Shoot the moron, of course.


12 posted on 08/16/2014 8:18:11 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Enterprise

The problem with your scenario is that he has ceased hostility and walked away.

A police officer would have the responsibility to apprehend the suspect.

As a civilian with concealed carry, if the direct threat has stopped, it is my responsibility to defuse the situation. If I were in the car, that would be driving away.

I’m not saying the cop is wrong but I would go to jail given your scenario.


13 posted on 08/16/2014 8:19:28 AM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: Rappini

Because of the job I have, the people I’m around, my safety has never been on, and I’ve never had one in the chamber/ I know, I know....the cops laugh at that...but I have to have a balance between my safety and those around me. I’ve trained this way, and I know it’s not a popular way to carry. But again, circumstances.....


14 posted on 08/16/2014 8:19:40 AM PDT by blu
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To: Enterprise

Not much of a question... you’re being charged by someone who’s already just demonstrated violence to a person. Doubt that he has property damage on his mind. Nobody’d blame you if you shot. This is what Zimmerman could have done but he waited until even the brawl got to the point that left him no choice.


15 posted on 08/16/2014 8:19:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Enterprise

As the wife, riding shotgun, I would have shot him before it ever got that far.


16 posted on 08/16/2014 8:20:35 AM PDT by BykrBayb (The ovens weren’t lit in '35, but the smell of sulfur was in the air. ~ Þ)
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To: dangerdoc

you missed the part where he was approaching the vehicle again, yelling that he is gonna F you up.


17 posted on 08/16/2014 8:21:47 AM PDT by blu
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To: dangerdoc

There is no problem with my scenario. There is no right or wrong answer. I’m just asking what YOU would do. In your case, you would drive away. You have answered the question.


18 posted on 08/16/2014 8:22:19 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: BykrBayb

Bless you! :)


19 posted on 08/16/2014 8:23:07 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: TigerClaws

If you pull a gun, you’d better be ready to use it.


20 posted on 08/16/2014 8:23:10 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Enterprise

De-escalate. ID the guy as best you’re able, remove yourself from the situation and file a report. He’s already walked away. You’re going to jail if you shoot him. The defensible time for lethal response was during the assault. After the fact would be perceived as vigilantism.


21 posted on 08/16/2014 8:23:29 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I agree.


22 posted on 08/16/2014 8:24:30 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: dangerdoc

Where do you live, that you’re required to flee from a place you are legally allowed to be, while a violent criminal is allowed to stay?


23 posted on 08/16/2014 8:25:58 AM PDT by BykrBayb (The ovens weren’t lit in '35, but the smell of sulfur was in the air. ~ Þ)
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To: Enterprise

Kick to the groin, elbow to the back of the neck as he doubles over.
Then get his wallet and any jewelry.
Maybe shoes, too .. if they look like they’ll fit.


24 posted on 08/16/2014 8:28:48 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: blu

I don’t see why cops would laugh. They carry with the safety on and one in the chamber as a matter of training. In your case, you are making a conscious choice for an extra level of safety. It could cost you your life in a split second situation, or save your life or the life of another if someone grabbed your gun and you were able to drop the clip before the guy could fire. But it is not a WRONG way to carry.


25 posted on 08/16/2014 8:30:00 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: RegulatorCountry

It’s too late to de-escalate. He is coming back for more. I normally would agree with you, but he’s withing the zone...even if there was time to get back in your vehicle, how do you know he’s not gonna beat the smack out of your car, open the door, and beat on you some more?

And BikerBybe, WAY TO ANSWER!!! Wish we had like buttons here :)


26 posted on 08/16/2014 8:31:12 AM PDT by blu
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To: RegulatorCountry
De-escalate. ID the guy as best you’re able, remove yourself from the situation and file a report. He’s already walked away. You’re going to jail if you shoot him. The defensible time for lethal response was during the assault. After the fact would be perceived as vigilantism.

How do you de-escalate when he bum-rushing you while yelling at you he is going to f*** you up?
27 posted on 08/16/2014 8:31:22 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: humblegunner

If his shoes looked like Mike Brown’s shoes, I would respectfully decline to relieve him of those.


28 posted on 08/16/2014 8:31:26 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

:)


29 posted on 08/16/2014 8:32:46 AM PDT by BykrBayb (The ovens weren’t lit in '35, but the smell of sulfur was in the air. ~ Þ)
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To: DownInFlames

If it gets to the point that I’ve drawn my weapon,he’s as good as dead.


30 posted on 08/16/2014 8:33:18 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Enterprise


35 feet is a little more than ten yards. A football player is good condition can cover that in slightly more than a second.”

How long would it take for an out of shape 300 pounder with his pants falling down?


31 posted on 08/16/2014 8:33:25 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Enterprise

Shoot the b@$t@rd!


32 posted on 08/16/2014 8:33:31 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Scenario as described has the assailant walking away. Too late. If he returns and assaults you again before you’re able to remove yourself from the situation, then lethal response once again becomes defensible.


33 posted on 08/16/2014 8:33:32 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

If you can de-escalate in the approximately two seconds it is going to take for the jerk to get to you, you have my admiration.


34 posted on 08/16/2014 8:34:38 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: SoConPubbie

Shooting him de-escalates it pretty quick.


35 posted on 08/16/2014 8:35:12 AM PDT by BykrBayb (The ovens weren’t lit in '35, but the smell of sulfur was in the air. ~ Þ)
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To: Enterprise

He hit my wife? He’s a dead man.


36 posted on 08/16/2014 8:37:12 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: TexasGator
"How long would it take for an out of shape 300 pounder with his pants falling down?"

Enough time to put several rounds in the chest and one in the forehead.

37 posted on 08/16/2014 8:37:19 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

Car doors have locks. Situation as described asks what one would do with an assailant walking away after assaulting yourself and your wife. Walking away. That is very problematic from a legal standpoint and if you do not keep your wits about you, you are the one going to jail.


38 posted on 08/16/2014 8:37:20 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: PLMerite

Jumbo Thug Down.


39 posted on 08/16/2014 8:37:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: Enterprise

The hypothetical failed to mention WHERE the incident occurred. In New York one would have to submit to whatever the 300 pounder wanted to dish out; i.e death or injury and/or rape of the wife.(Especially if he was black.) In a sane state one could shoot the clown


40 posted on 08/16/2014 8:37:32 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Enterprise
exact scenario of why everyone should carry. exercise your second amendment right or lose it and at worst, lose your life
41 posted on 08/16/2014 8:37:35 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: Enterprise

Thanks! I’ve never been told that. And the really important “people around me” are my grands, they all know granny wears a gun, they all know not to touch it, and they all know if they see it out and not on my person, THEY GET TO PUT ME IN A ONE HOUR TIME OUT! LOL!

For most people, just seeing it on my hip is enough of a warning, thank God.

Trust me, the mag drop button is my favorite part of my gun, next to the trigger, of course!


42 posted on 08/16/2014 8:37:45 AM PDT by blu
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To: Enterprise

43 posted on 08/16/2014 8:38:30 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Enterprise

At least morally. Legally, if this is not a “stand your ground” territory you might be required to at least try to flee. That stinks and is wrong that you must, not simply have the option to, but it’s where a lot of lefties have left us.


44 posted on 08/16/2014 8:39:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Enterprise

When seconds count, 911 will have help there in a matter of minutes.
I hope I don’t run over him as I exit the scene.


45 posted on 08/16/2014 8:40:09 AM PDT by GOJPN
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To: yldstrk

> and then don’t call it in? yeah, ain’t buying yet

In a large department calling it in is SOP. In a smaller town of say, 22,000 I don’t know...


46 posted on 08/16/2014 8:40:42 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Enterprise

Drop him where he stands. Fire until the threat ceases. If that means he’s dead so be it.


47 posted on 08/16/2014 8:40:54 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Enterprise

The few times I’ve had someone suspiciously come up to me and my car window after I’ve parked somewhere, I’ve already had a gun pointing directly at them from underneath a jacket or newspaper or something.

Nothing ever happened. It was usually a transient asking for money or someone trying to sell something, and they went away quietly. But I was ready in case they tried anything.


48 posted on 08/16/2014 8:42:22 AM PDT by greene66
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To: RegulatorCountry

“Scenario as described has the assailant walking away”

No it doesn’t. Read it again.


49 posted on 08/16/2014 8:42:52 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: humblegunner

First laugh of the day! THANKS

I flattened a man with an elbow in a Wal-Mart parking lot. I hightailed it “outa” there in my car as he began to rise and run away!

I went to the next gun show for concealed carry permit!
What would I do next time?


50 posted on 08/16/2014 8:43:35 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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