Posted on 10/20/2013 8:35:21 PM PDT by huldah1776
Questions haunt the families of Extortion 17, the 2011 helicopter mission in Afghanistan that suffered the most U.S. military deaths in a single day in the war on terrorism.
...snip... More than two years later, more answers may be forthcoming.
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, led by Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, is making inquiries after meeting with some families.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
5.56mm
Jeff Kuhner used to be a frequent fill-in for Savage.
This is based on what I have read not any direct knowledge so take it for what its worth.SO N S A KISS OFF,
SEAL team 6 has several groups they have color designations. The Red Squadron under took Operation Neptune Spear the killing of OBL, Gold Squadron was the group setup and sold out by The ISI and many others in this crash.
Again I read this in print it is not from any inside source.
I can’t tell you the level of greatness that was lost that night..
To date we have not seen one shred of evidence Bin-Laden was ever killed and they refuse to show the photo of his body.
Either they respect the enemy more than they do the 911 families or Bin-Laden was never killed.
And what did Matt Bissonnette say? The guy they took out looked nothing like Bin-Laden.
"I don’t see it as an inside job meaning the Obama administration. Possible but the more likely and obvious explanation is that Biden leaked the Seals out of incompetence and the Afghans identified them and took them out. Not buying this inside job theory."
I don't believe the conspiracy either. However, I do question why so many SpecOps personnel were on one bird. I also wonder why the Afgan personnel were changed at the last moment (if true). That alone could explain the whole catastrophe.
I highly doubt that the golfing, campaigning, self-arrgandizing, sh*thead in our Oval Office is actually involved in every military operation. Yes, Biden should have kept his big mouth shut, but I believe it was just "wages of war" that brought down that Chinook.
Remember, they were going in to backup/rescue some trapped Rangers. So there were many ragheads in the area. They have countless RPG's and probably shoulder Stinger guided missles.
However, again, I'm surprised SO many SEALs were on one plane. In my day in the Navy, the commander of the operation would not have done so. They are too valuable of a military asset to risk so many on one helo even if for our own. Our military has always tried to leave no soldier behind, but this op with so many almost irreplaceable warriors was just wrong planning by a politically correct commander, IMHO.
Last thought: If this was some kind of conspiracy by the Obambi administration or a DOD conspiracy, then I believe many active duty SEAL's would speak up. They are afraid of nothing. There's nothing Obambi or DOD or CIA or anyone that could scare them into not talking. There has been nothing but silence from them. They know it was a lucky shot by the enemy. It happens. That's why we have so many wounded warriors from Iraq and Aftganiscrap. It's called war. Shit happens.
The witnesses have been ordered home, so how could any other SEALs talk?
You have the right basic question. I’ve said from the gitgo that MAJOR incompetence was involved. There is no level of sabotage that could have done the damage by itself. Even a bomber in a mess hall couldn’t have racked up such a total. The stalling smells more of butt-covering than security concerns or anything else legitimate. Even the guys directly involved, and killed, had to know they were clusterflocking.
Could you provide some evidence to back up this claim please?
Because you say it like you know for sure.
Really don't get your point about witnesses. I've known and partied with SEALs and know that if there was some grand conspiracy to kill their brothers, they would talk, at least the bachelors would. After re-reading the Washington Times article of May 2011, I'm certain the ROE (Obambi directed) was partially the reason that Chinook went down because they didn't have "gunship" support while going into an obvious hot LZ.
Remember, the Rangers were in an intense firefight. The enemy had the high ground and that's why backup was called in. Why so many SpecOps on one bird I will never understand.
The families are claiming that the more armoured MH-47 Chinook could have saved their SEAL's. That's not correct, because if you hit one of the top rotors, the aircraft goes down - hard. In this case it was a duel top rotor Chinook helo. Don't bother to argue that because I was an aviation rotorhead in my Navy years on LPH-11 (helo amphibious assault ship). I worked with Chinooks, Hueys, Cobras, Sea Stallions, and even VTOL Harriers.
I tend to believe it was the Aftganis who alerted the ragheads in the valley that backup was on the way for the Rangers. Or some stupid bastard got a luck shot because their were so many of them in the rocks. It happens. Remember "Black Hawk Down"? Those Somali savages brought down 2 of our Black Hawks with RPG's.
Ask a wounded warrior at Walter Reed hospital or near you how their buddies got killed or wounded. Most times they will tell you it was road mine or an ambush that couldn't be foreseen. Ask a Viet Nam air pilot how often our Hueys were shot down by lucky shots.
People try to make sense of war, and although I've never been on the ground I know many who have and the first thing they will tell you is to expect the expected. It's called, "Fog of War". Shit absolutely happens every day in combat. I don't believe that Obambi tipped off the Taliban to shoot this Chinook down. There would be too many in the chain-of-command who would be screaming it to high heaven, even with him firing so many flag officers of late. The further down the chain you go, the more non-political the military is.
Just accept the fact that commanders make mistakes; the enemy gets lucky; the CiC makes political wrong ROE; and shit happens even in training exercises. We experience more deaths and injuries in training than most people realize. They don't get reported because they're not in a war zone.
Bless our men and women in the Armed Forces. And let our leadership stop sending them to arms in a the savage area of the Middle East.
Why would our government want to kill these men? "
The raid that allegedly killed OBL was done a few days after what happened?
Want to get rid of any potential leakers about that raid? Stuff many (all?) of them into a single outdated utility chopper accopanied by 7 Taliban/Al Qaeda who were swapped in a the last moment.
It’s obviously Jarrett. Obama sure looks like he was added to that photo at the last minute. Certainly not a CIC pose, more like a high school kid.
Funny how my thoughts are identical to yours, angcat.
It was the same modus operandi, the same players as those who leaked information regarding messages intercepted by the NSA of Al Qadeda, that tipped off Al-Qaeda not to use the same methods of communication because the NSA was unto them, America having lost a vital irreplaceable source of terrorist activity.
“This is the team that went in and killed Osama? Are any of the members that were on the Osama raid alive?”
Being that SEAL Team 6 was officially “disolved” in 1987, and is now the Naval Special Warfare Development Group or simply DEVGRU, it’s not known which one of the platoons were on Extortion 17, in fact no one outside of JSOC, NSWC, or DEVGRU knows how many platoons are really in DEVGRU.
Maybe 50 years from now one of them might come forward, but the SEALs are not known to be ones to talk about “sensitive” ops.
It's nothing more than a Zippo lighter with more fuel in it, and the only things left would be the engines, gearboxes, and rotor hubs when they crash since they are mostly made of magnesium.
I hear ya Lucy and I will always believe this. One day we will find the truth.
U.S. forces entered Afghanistan for radically different reasons than the Soviets, but the local reaction appears to be no different. Then, as now, the Afghani troops and the powers that be in Kabul were questionable, at best. More often than not, the troops were secretly sympathetic with the Mujahadeen, and fed them intelligence and support whenever Ivan wasn't looking too closely. The government was double-dealing, hopelessly corrupt, and utterly incompetent in trying to govern the whole of Afghanistan.
I don't see the mess our troops facing to be much different. They government will take our money, and the troops will smile and march with us, but at the end of the day, most of them would only be too happy to put a knife in our backs - figuratively and literally. I have zero doubt they would have leapt at the chance to set up one of our SEAL teams, if they had the opportunity.
What US Naval Base did this group originate from? Or do we know?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.