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House GOP to attach Obamacare delay to CR
Politico ^ | September 28, 2013 | John Bresnahan & Jake Sherman

Posted on 09/28/2013 10:31:21 AM PDT by LostInBayport

House Republicans will vote to pass a one-year delay of Obamacare in exchange for funding the government, a plan that drastically increases the chances of a government shutdown this Tuesday.

The decision was announced by the GOP leadership in a closed meeting Saturday afternoon, according to sources present. Republicans will also pass a bill to fund U.S. troops if the government shuts down, according to GOP lawmakers. The House’s funding measure will keep the government open until mid December.

This puts Senate Democrats and the White House at loggerheads with House Republicans, a standoff that could lead to the first government shutdown since 1995.

Senate Democrats passed a bill to fund the government until Nov. 15, but kept intact Obamacare.

“We’ve had enough of the disunity in our party,” Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) told the meeting of House Republicans Saturday afternoon. “The headlines are Republicans fighting Republicans. This will unite us. This protects the people who sent us here from Obamacare.”

House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said it would be the “fastest whip check in history,” as every member raised their hand, saying they would support the bill.

The House is expected to vote Saturday, sources say.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; election2014; election2016; fff; jakesherman; johnbresnahan; obamacare; politico; shutdown
This worries me in one respect: delaying the mandate moves it past the 2014 election, allowing the democrats to blame insurance companies (and capitalism) for the job losses, reduced hours and dropped health insurance. "Hey, it isn't Obamacare, that doesn't kick in until 2015." That isn't true, the law will still be in effect, but lying is the democrat (and media) way.

And Cantor saying "this protects the people who us here from Obamacare" is just ridiculous. The cancer will still spread unless the law is DEFUNDED.

1 posted on 09/28/2013 10:31:21 AM PDT by LostInBayport
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2 posted on 09/28/2013 10:33:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
House Republicans will vote to pass a one-year delay of Obamacare in exchange for funding the government, a plan that drastically increases the chances of a government shutdown this Tuesday. The decision was announced by the GOP leadership in a closed meeting Saturday afternoon, according to sources present. Republicans will also pass a bill to fund U.S. troops if the government shuts down, according to GOP lawmakers. The House’s funding measure will keep the government open until mid December. This puts Senate Democrats and the White House at loggerheads with House Republicans...

3 posted on 09/28/2013 10:34:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“...drastically increases...”? I would say “hopefully increases”. Shut down the feds. The feds (with few exceptions) aren’t worth employing.


4 posted on 09/28/2013 10:38:53 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Rehabilitation Camp?)
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To: SunkenCiv

We have ALWAYS survived government shutdowns (about 17 times in recent history) - doing so is just a “bump in the road”. But, it is not the GOP who has been making the threat, and it is not the “vetted rebels” in the GOP that has made the threat - it has been the White Crib and the Senate Majority Leader who are really making the threat as a proxy for the GOP NOT making the threat. The Libs are trying to project the shutdown that they are threatening onto the GOPe.


5 posted on 09/28/2013 10:40:55 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: LostInBayport

Then shut it down!!!

Better to go down in to ruins relatively free than as a groveling slave.


6 posted on 09/28/2013 10:42:51 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: LostInBayport

“The cancer will still spread unless the law is DEFUNDED. “

There’s a whole lot of complexity here and behind the scenes maneuvering. If all of the House Republicans voted for it I believe it is a good move. In chess you’d like to immobilize the king in one move. But it seldom happens that way in real games. A lot of pawns are knocked over first. I hope they’re playing chess as Obama is playing checkers.

If this makes it through the Senate it will still be a powerful tool to run on in ‘14. Plus, there’s a chance that President Tin Ear will reject it. This puts further pressure on Democrats and it runs out the clock on funding, which is more a Dem problem than an Rep problem.


7 posted on 09/28/2013 10:44:03 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: LostInBayport

A one-year delay of Obamacare doesn’t fix a damn thing.....it needs to be killed and killed NOW, period.

For the next year we will be ini dated with stories of people that have died because of the “delay” and on and on.

If the republicans do not fund Obamacare, it will be Obama that shuts down the government.

These monkeys didn’t learn a damn thing from Cruz.


8 posted on 09/28/2013 10:44:09 AM PDT by Gator113 (The mighty Bear ate the cowardly rat. Obama must resign.)
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To: SunkenCiv

paul is a stinking RINO, if every republican stood strong it can be done!


9 posted on 09/28/2013 10:44:22 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: LostInBayport

“House Republicans will vote to pass a one-year delay of Obamacare in exchange for funding the government”

LOL! This isn’t even coherent.

The effort to keep up The Big Lie is starting to wear the media down, they’ll soon be suing their Dem bosses for repetitive motion disorder...


10 posted on 09/28/2013 10:46:11 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: LostInBayport

so...up to the next election, we will be seeing this “budget crisis” battled out every 3 months?

4 more huge opportunities for the Dems to parade their “victims” and threaten voters with non-existent cuts that will be blamed on the GOP.

Defund...not delay.


11 posted on 09/28/2013 10:46:53 AM PDT by digger48
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To: hal ogen

Unions routinely “shut down” govt services like public education when they strike.

How come Dem groups can do this- but not millions of fed-up taxpayers?

Unions are NEVER attacked as “terrorists” for depriving kids of education - nor are Teamsters who strike, shut down nation’s ports!

Unions can “shut down” government, but never demand-side taxpayers, who are called “extremists” for boycotting massive insolvency, high costs, and fiscal mismanagement!!!!!!!!!!!!


12 posted on 09/28/2013 10:47:11 AM PDT by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: Gen.Blather
There’s a whole lot of complexity here and behind the scenes maneuvering. If all of the House Republicans voted for it I believe it is a good move.

Do you think that perhaps they are trying some sort of incremental strategy? I wonder because the article said the bill would fund the government through November 15. So we will be back here again in a month and a half. Will they try to delay or defund another portion then, and so on?

90-day funding bills. Before long we will be down to funding the government week to week.
13 posted on 09/28/2013 10:49:42 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Gator113

ini dated = inundated


14 posted on 09/28/2013 10:49:58 AM PDT by Gator113 (The mighty Bear ate the cowardly rat. Obama must resign.)
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To: LostInBayport

” Do you think that perhaps they are trying some sort of incremental strategy?”

In Judo if you’re pinned by a guy who weighs more you inch your forearms under you and move bit by bit until you can escape. I think that’s exactly what’s going on. If so, kudos to the R’s.


15 posted on 09/28/2013 10:51:55 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: digger48
so...up to the next election, we will be seeing this “budget crisis” battled out every 3 months?

That jumped out at me too. But have we had a budget to be in crisis about since Dusty Harry took over in the Senate?
16 posted on 09/28/2013 10:53:06 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: LostInBayport
This worries me in one respect: delaying the mandate moves it past the 2014 election

But it doesn't stop Republicans from making it an issue in the primaries or general.

Linsey Graham for instance will have to run on his vote for cloture and this extension will give us time to educate the American people on what that really meant. And even if they push past Oct vote, Republicans can raise hell over where these politicians ALREADY STOOD on Obamacare.

17 posted on 09/28/2013 10:59:45 AM PDT by Kenny (<p>)
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To: LostInBayport

I’ve said the Republicans should do this only as a last resort, but you can add it to the litany. (Obama has already said he’ll veto a delay.)

“We tried to repeal Obamacare. We tried to defund it. We tried to make Congress live under it. We tried to give you, the working people, the same break that the Democrats gave Big Business. We tried to delay it. The Democrats stomped on each of these efforts, contrary to the will of the people. Vote them out. Give us control. We’ll do everything we can to end this program.”

Then DO IT!!!


18 posted on 09/28/2013 11:07:56 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: SERKIT
We have ALWAYS survived government shutdowns (about 17 times in recent history) - doing so is just a “bump in the road”

The Republicans WON the 1995 shutdown. Nobody noticed anything different, there was no disaster as the Democrats predicted, Clinton was forced into signing welfare reform (which he had vetoed twice before), and we got a balanced budget -- at least, on paper. The Republicans gained 2 Senate seats.

Is this why the Establishment (in both parties) is so afraid of another shutdown?

19 posted on 09/28/2013 11:10:42 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: GailA

Rand Paul has stood with Cruz, Lee, and the rest on defunding Obamacare and helped Sen. Cruz with his filibuster. He was very good on the drones. There are plenty of RINOs; let’s not start picking fights with one of the limited-government, constitutionalist Republicans.


20 posted on 09/28/2013 11:12:30 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: LostInBayport

You could all start by refusing to use the liberal/media creation “shutdown.”

It’s not a shutdown when all essential govt services continue operation.

It’s a SLOWDOWN.

Which is why we always survive them.


21 posted on 09/28/2013 11:12:33 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: LostInBayport
Tesk tsk! All of you worry too much. Obamacare will provide the best service if you get sick:


22 posted on 09/28/2013 11:16:49 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
It’s not a shutdown when all essential govt services continue operation. It’s a SLOWDOWN.

YES! We should use the new media to get that into common usage. The old media tried not reporting on Ted Cruz's filibuster, but the new media did. It is our outlet.
23 posted on 09/28/2013 11:20:55 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Gator113
Dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

The perfect rarely happens.

24 posted on 09/28/2013 11:21:04 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: LostInBayport

At least now there will be a true referendum on Obamacare if there is a delay,now we know most of what is in it,so let the people decide,if you want the monstrosity then vote to keep the democrats in control of the Senate,and dump the house republicans,otherwise vote the republicans in and let them put a sock in it until the Marxist is gone,if we live that long


25 posted on 09/28/2013 11:22:36 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: LostInBayport; KeyLargo

Delay is VICTORY!

There are only two choices: delay or implement now.

Delaying it allows to gather more support for repealing it.

If it gets implemented, we are all toast — see this article posted by KeyLargo:

Expecting ObamaCare’s Collapse Is Living In Wonderland

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3072339/posts


26 posted on 09/28/2013 11:23:55 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Kansas58

I understand, Kansas58.

I don’t believe that Obama will settle for any delay, so this will certainly be interesting.


27 posted on 09/28/2013 11:30:19 AM PDT by Gator113 (The mighty Bear ate the cowardly rat. Obama must resign.)
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To: LostInBayport
Republicans will also pass a bill to fund U.S. troops if the government shuts down, according to GOP lawmakers.

If the Democrats shut down the government (which they will if they refuse to pass the continuing resolution), this is exactly what the House should do, and not just with funding for the troops - pass one individual bill after another to fund each section of the government and let Reid and the Democrats refuse to vote on or pass them on...this is the way to get control of the narrative that it is the Democrats keeping things shut down as they'd all be up and running but for them.

28 posted on 09/28/2013 11:31:10 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: 4Liberty
Very good comparison. So true. Obama helped the union thugs disrupt public schools and government in Wisconsin a couple years ago.
29 posted on 09/28/2013 11:34:38 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Republican Wildcat
pass one individual bill after another to fund each section of the government and let Reid and the Democrats refuse to vote on or pass them on

I read something like that here on FR the other day. I think it is a brilliant strategy. Send individual bills for each and every department, but simply don't send one for Obamacare. If Dingy Harry decided to hold any of the individual bills hostage, then he is the one who "hates" this or that.
30 posted on 09/28/2013 11:39:19 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Innovative

You are right! Force Reid to hold the line on this with all his arrogant obnoxious talk. Manchin Has already agreed to the delay. Put the heat on Mary Quite Contrary of LA and that clown from AK and all the other incumbent lefty senators up for reelection. Time is no their friend.


31 posted on 09/28/2013 11:40:54 AM PDT by untwist (One Bad-Assed Mistake, America!)
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To: LostInBayport
a plan that drastically increases the chances of a government shutdown this Tuesday.

No it does not. The only chance of a government shutdown is if Prince Henry of Senate refuses to deal with the House bill defunding ZeroCare, or King Zero vetoes the bill. That is the ONLY way a shutdown would happen.

Repubs, stop letting the media define your course of action!!!!!!!

32 posted on 09/28/2013 11:41:47 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: LostInBayport
The Republicans once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. What spineless idiots!
33 posted on 09/28/2013 11:41:59 AM PDT by Buffalo Bob
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To: Jacquerie

Only the supply-side, public unions can strike. Any time, any day, any duration, for any grievance.

Demand-side, concerned taxpayers, are NOT EVER ALLOWED to boycott or ‘strike,’ withhold payment for specific programs or services — even if that public “service” is demonstrated to be corruptly administered, overly costly, proven fiscally insolvent (lied about) - or simply incompetently designed, and massively mismanaged.

Rat’s rules......


34 posted on 09/28/2013 11:47:20 AM PDT by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: LostInBayport

This will move implementation to after the election, but most people make their annual insurance elections in October of the prior year. (At least everywhere I’ve worked) Under the one year delay, millions of Americans will be broadsided by massive premium increases or losing their insurance altogether in October 2014, right before the midterms.


35 posted on 09/28/2013 12:00:08 PM PDT by dpat
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To: LostInBayport

Bingo!

And the Narcissist will not be able to hold his temper. Obama will end up looking like a child having a tantrum.....he’s nearly there already.


36 posted on 09/28/2013 12:30:20 PM PDT by doc maverick
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To: SERKIT

Spot on and we need to send that message in emails to every voter we know. Get it out there.

This is a “compromise” that many Senate Democrats can live with. It splits their party into two camps - reasonable and Obamabots.

It’s brilliant.


37 posted on 09/28/2013 12:44:30 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: TBP

You are a steely eyed missile, man.


38 posted on 09/28/2013 12:45:25 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: LostInBayport

The devil’s in the details. What do they actually mean by “delaying Obamacare for a year?” Does it mean completely stopping people from signing up for it? Does it mean stopping the formation of the exchanges? Does it mean terminating all of the so-called “facilitators” or whatever they’re called? Does it mean an end to Obamacare advocacy ads on TV and radio? Does it mean a retraction of all the thousands of letters that have gone out to the insured terminating coverage or substantially raising premiums? I bloody well doubt it. Depending on the details, the term “delaying Obamacare for a year” could mean anything. Knowing the GOP, it will be a toothless phrase to appease their base
while Obamacare in reality goes marching on. “Delaying Obamacare for a year” must mean a complete and unequivocal cessation of any activities associated with this monstrosity. Anything short of that is just another scam.


39 posted on 09/28/2013 12:46:39 PM PDT by huckfillary
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To: LostInBayport

The Dems are on a tight leash. Their constituency counts on that teat being there. Here in Illinois government checks are going out later and later. Who is more likely to feel the pain of a government slowdown - the productive class or the parasite class?

As a follow up question, which party relies most on which class?

This is great news for our side. Hold the line, stick it to the Dems.


40 posted on 09/28/2013 12:47:02 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: LostInBayport
a standoff that could lead to the first government shutdown since 1995.

Funny, I was fully alert in 1995 and I don't remember anything disruptive about that shutdown. Gosh, could it be that it was mostly noise from the left?

41 posted on 09/28/2013 12:55:28 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: LostInBayport
The House’s funding measure will keep the government open until mid December.

A one year delay will make it an issue again right before the election next year...next October with the election in December.

The 2.5 month funding, though, has me puzzled. Wouldn't that give them the chance to revisit funding through the back door? If not, then I don't understand why not, because funding ObamaCare requires a certain level of spending, and if that level of spending is not approved, then all heck will break out if Obama tries to move social security or defense money over to Obamacare funding.

42 posted on 09/28/2013 1:16:53 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
The 2.5 month funding, though, has me puzzled. Wouldn't that give them the chance to revisit funding through the back door?

I think it would. Perhaps they will try defunding certain components. They should pick a few that are essential to the entire thing but so "in the weeds" legislative-wise that the low information voters would zone out when the democrats squawk about it.
43 posted on 09/28/2013 1:32:16 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Gosh, could it be that it was mostly noise from the left?

Nope. It was ALL noise from the left! They still blather on about it. ;)
44 posted on 09/28/2013 1:33:20 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

My memory says it was passport offices at the time that everyone moaned about. You couldn’t get a passport, the waits were “awful”, and so and so had to go see a dying grandmother and couldn’t.

But passport offices really weren’t critical; the media just pushed them as critical.


45 posted on 09/28/2013 1:35:10 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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