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World War II's first victim (Gleiwitz Incident)
UK Telegraph ^ | 08/31/2013 | Bob Graham

Posted on 08/31/2013 12:44:12 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

As the rays of early evening sun lingered over the giant wooden mast that protruded through the pine forest, two cars passed through the gates of the German radio station and sto1pped outside the three-storey transmission building. n the following minutes, seven SS officers posing as Polish partisans, would carry out a simple act that would leave one man dead on the station steps – and provide Adolf Hitler with the excuse to invade Poland , plunging the world into six dark years of conflict. The events that took place in the fading light of August 31, 1939 around Gliwice radio station – some four miles inside Germany, on the border with Poland – have largely been overlooked by historians. Even relatives of the dead man have only spoken of the incident in hushed, private family gatherings, preferring not to ask questions of authorities on either side.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; gleiwitz; gliwice; nonaggressionpact; poland; worldwareleven; wwii

1 posted on 08/31/2013 12:44:12 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

WW III’s first victim...a milk factory in Damascus?


2 posted on 08/31/2013 12:45:26 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Signalman

The US’ last shred of credibility?


3 posted on 08/31/2013 12:46:22 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon
The US’ last shred of credibility?

That train left the station a long time ago.

4 posted on 08/31/2013 12:47:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kid Shelleen
I would like to look over some photographs of that false flag Nazi operation, I bet I could find LBJ, Bent Willy Clinton and B. Hussein Obama there, taking notes.
5 posted on 08/31/2013 1:08:37 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: dfwgator
That train left the station a long time ago.

Yep. Around 2006 or 2008. Opinions vary.

6 posted on 08/31/2013 1:12:34 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Kid Shelleen
The Truth about the "Gleiwitz Incident"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b7e_1363701221&comments=1#k6KEVWh1DPjFVBPZ.99



7 posted on 08/31/2013 1:33:38 PM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Gleiwitz radio mast today
8 posted on 08/31/2013 1:45:11 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Kid Shelleen

I read about it in THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH.


9 posted on 08/31/2013 1:46:07 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: preacher

“The Truth” is nothing more than Hitler apologia gibberish.


10 posted on 08/31/2013 1:48:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

“Kill without pity or mercy all men, women and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need.” - Adolf Hitler (August 22, 1939)


11 posted on 08/31/2013 1:51:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Kid Shelleen.
In the following minutes, seven SS officers posing as Polish partisans, would carry out a simple act that would leave one man dead on the station steps – and provide Adolf Hitler with the excuse to invade Poland, plunging the world into six dark years of conflict.
Not to mention that Stalin had signed the hideously misnamed non-aggression pact, which divided Poland between the USSR and Third Reich.


12 posted on 08/31/2013 1:58:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

the American people apologize for this nincompoop being elected


13 posted on 08/31/2013 2:02:29 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Fighting had been going on in China since 1931.


14 posted on 08/31/2013 2:28:40 PM PDT by AceMineral (Some people are slaves of their own stupidity.)
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To: Signalman

15 posted on 08/31/2013 2:38:13 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Carlos Danger for mayor....NYC deserves him)
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To: dfwgator

A long, long time ago.


16 posted on 08/31/2013 2:40:44 PM PDT by sport
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To: SunkenCiv

I always thought that the Nazis and Soviets jointly started the European war. Does Hitler attack without the Non-Aggression pact? I highly doubt it.

The fact is, Stalin wanted war, so that the Germans, British and French could bleed each other dry, so as to allow the Red Army to swoop in from the East and clean up the mess.


17 posted on 08/31/2013 2:44:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Revolting cat!; preacher
The truth about the "Gleiwitz Incident."

As they say in Germany, das ist ein Misthaufen.

Weber says that he cannot find a reference to the Gleiwitz incident as a pretext for war in the German media. However, he should listen to Hitler's first speech after the outbreak of hostilities, in which he said, "Polen hat heute Nacht zum ersten Mal auf unserem eigenen Territorium auch mit bereits regulären Soldaten geschossen. Seit 5 Uhr 45 wird jetzt zurückgeschossen. Und von jetzt ab wird Bombe mit Bombe vergolten." (This evening, Poland has fired on our own territory for the first time with regular soldiers. Since 5:45, we have been shooting back And from now on, we will retaliate bomb for bomb).

Weber says that “The tension between Germany and Poland had been developing steadily since the beginning of 1939”--which is curious, since Polish relations with Nazi Germany had heretofore been quite good. Poland even joined with Germany in carving up Czechoslovakia in 1938. Why did their relations suddenly turn sour? Could it be that after grabbing Austria, Czechoslovakia and the Memel strip, Hitler was gearing up to make Poland his next victim?

Weber also makes no mention of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 23--eight days before Gleiwitz--in which the Nazis and Soviets agreed to divide Poland.

18 posted on 08/31/2013 2:51:10 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: preacher

Everything. Poland was in no position to attack German in 1939. It was an obvious false flag operation. Thanks for proving that there are so many credulous nazi-loving untermenschen.


19 posted on 08/31/2013 3:51:25 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: dfwgator

I agree. I’d quibble a little, Stalin had the memory of the German advances in WWI — which didn’t differ all that much from the WWII effort, in the main because of the terrain. The WWI German and Austrian forces were deployed probably overly heavy in the east, out of fear of the possible rapidity of advance along the steppe. That’s been the superhighway out of central Asia going back into prehistoric times. That worked both ways.

Also, Stalin’s intel indicated that Hitler was the best possible option for the Soviets, so much like them politically that he would make a great ally. In recent years, the surviving old-timers (who hadn’t previously been executed and whatnot) who worked for Stalin stated that, for weeks after the German invasion began, Stalin seemed to be incredulous and unable to bring himself around to the realization that Hitler had broken his word. Also, there was diplomacy between them, and the Germans were masters of blowing smoke up people’s asses.

The Soviets were also heavily deployed in the east, against the possibility of a Japanese attack. They’d beaten them more than once, and the Japanese actually gave up, concentrating on various wartime atrocities against the Chinese. Against the German invasion the Soviets raised huge “patriotic armies” which were sent with whatever they’d brought with them (pitchforks, scythes, rocks) and fed to the guns.

Soviet losses in that first autumn are reckoned in the 100s of 1000s, and before the first year, somewhere north of 2 million dead. There were also defectors, large bodies of “troops” who just gave themselves up en masse, sometimes happily following the surrender orders announced by their command. As in WWI, Moscow was considered the enemy and betrayer as much as were the Germans.

In the book “Interrogations” there’s an interesting tidbit that finally explained to me why the hell Hitler thought Operation Barbarrosa was a good idea — freelance (probably starving, definitely deprived or dirt poor) cross-border raids from Soviet and Soviet-occupied territory had him concerned that the Red Army was going to storm across the frontier any second, before Germany was ready to violate the agreement first.

Soooo, Hitler drove the UK and what was left of French forces off the continent and — ta-dah! — launched an *offensive* in the east before Germany was ready (if indeed it could have been for the next three or four years).

Molotov was sent to the Far East for hush-hush negotiations with the Japanese, nominally allied with Germany and Italy. He couldn’t get a straight, non-intransigent answer out of ‘em, but told Stalin that he thought the czarist-era peace treaty would hold. So 70 or so divisions including lots of armor were pulled from the east and shipped by train to be hurled against the Reich invasion force. The trains arrived overloaded with troops and gear, and rolled back for more completely empty.

The speed of the Red Army redeployment and resulting counterattacks threw Hitler and his yes-men for a loop. But of course, Hitler was always moaning, “the war is lost!” about every little setback. What a loser.


20 posted on 08/31/2013 6:12:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Another little tidbit was that Stalin’s greatest fear was the KPD gaining power in Germany, and ultimately rivaling the Soviet Union for leadership in the worldwide Communist movement. Which is basically why Stalin silently approved of the Nazi roundup of German Communist leaders, like Ernst Thaelmann. Hitler did Stalin’s dirty work for him, in eliminating most of the leadership of the German Communists.


21 posted on 08/31/2013 6:17:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Fiji Hill
One of the most interesting "what ifs" would have been, if Pilsudski had survived.

Hitler at Pilsudski's funeral.

Hitler admired Pilsudski, even signing a non-aggression pact with Poland in 1934. He knew of Pilsudski's hatred of the Russians, and perhaps felt he could have been a partner. Most interesting was the fact that Hitler specifically ordered an honor guard to Pilsudski's grave in Krakow when the Nazis occupied Poland.

22 posted on 08/31/2013 6:22:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

And again in Poland — when Warsaw rose against the Germans during that long retreat, Stalin ordered the Red Army advance stopped so the Germans would be able to destroy the independence forces and take the blame for it.


23 posted on 08/31/2013 6:37:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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Praying Hitler in ex-Warsaw ghetto sparks emotion
Associated Press | Fri, Dec 28, 2012 | VANESSA GERA
Posted on 01/07/2013 3:33:09 PM PST by DManA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2975856/posts


24 posted on 08/31/2013 6:48:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: rmlew

Well, we haven’t had an apologist for Hitler on this forum fo0r a while. If ever. I can’t wait for this Weber guy’s and his religion’s FR preacher “TRUTH” about Auschwitz.


25 posted on 08/31/2013 7:06:03 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The main point that I have taken from the records, manuscripts and papers is that no one really knew what anyone else was doing, everyone was stabbing the other in the back and it was a monumental, worldwide cluster$*&#. I include the allies in this and hold it against Roosevelt most of all. The straightest player was Churchill and we see what that got him. Disrespect in much of his own country.

In politics, like toilets, crap rises to the top.


26 posted on 08/31/2013 7:16:24 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: dfwgator
Hitler did Stalin’s dirty work for him, in eliminating most of the leadership of the German Communists.

In 1939, after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, many German Communists who had fled to Moscow after Hitler came to power were arrested and shot. Others were handed back to the Gestapo. A few lucky ones survived and would later run East Germany.

27 posted on 08/31/2013 8:27:35 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: dfwgator

>>>I always thought that the Nazis and Soviets jointly started the European war. Does Hitler attack without the Non-Aggression pact? I highly doubt it.

The fact is, Stalin wanted war, so that the Germans, British and French could bleed each other dry, so as to allow the Red Army to swoop in from the East and clean up the mess.<<<

If you want to know read “Diplomacy” by Henry Kissinger. Henry is not a particularly nice person but this book is a must read if you are curious on how WWII has started.
Yes, Stalin probably wanted to expand into Europe militarily but he wasn’t in a position to do so in late 1930s-earlier 1940s and he was actually looking for an alliance with France and Britain against Nazy just prior to his infamous non-aggression pact which was nothing but appreasing Hitler.


28 posted on 08/31/2013 8:30:16 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: dfwgator
There are a lot of interesting WWII "what ifs."
29 posted on 08/31/2013 8:40:22 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Kid Shelleen

Actually there was more than just one dead man. There were six concentration camp inmates dressed in Polish uniforms and given a slow-acting lethal injection. They were left lying around the radio station as ‘’proof’’ of Polish treachery. This attack code was named “Operation Canned Goods’’ and it was the work of Himmler’s number two go-to- guy Reinhard Heydrich . Heydrich at one time was about the most sinister and feared person in Nazi Germany. He had the goods on everybody, from his own boss Heinrich Himmler to Hitler himself. When he got bumped off there were a whole lot of fat cats in the Third Reich sleeping a little more sound at night.


30 posted on 08/31/2013 9:46:54 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Fiji Hill

What if just one of the atomic bombs had failed to detonate and the Japanese recovered it.


31 posted on 08/31/2013 9:48:50 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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There was some who insinuated that Heydrich was part Jewish. But it’s true, there were few tears shed when Heydrich was killed, other than by Hitler, who loved the guy, and made sure no one, even Himmler could do anything to him.


32 posted on 08/31/2013 9:52:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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I've heard that rumor about Heydrich having a Jewish grandfather but I don't know how true it was. It wasn't uncommon in Nazi Germany to try and blemish someones career with insinuation about possible Jewish ancestry or accusations of homosexuality. I don't recall Hitler being fond of Heydrich though. You might be thinking of one of his original body guards, a guy by the name of Bruno Gescher. Heydrich was from an aristocratic German family. He was well educated and cultured. Hitler tended to despise these ‘’bourgeois’’ types because they reminded him of his lowly beginnings. Hitler was more at ease with lower class, rough around the edges types like Geschner.
33 posted on 08/31/2013 11:22:01 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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"...when the Nazis occupied Poland."

This is one of the few things I hate in America - calling Hitler's Germans "Nazis". THEY WERE GERMANS. JUST GERMANS, whereas only the small percentage of them were NSDAP officials and operatives.

As far as we look into it, that simplistic Nazi terms collapse at all. For instance, some Poles before the war were Nazis indeed and hated Jews. However they were murdered by Germans too, just because they were Polish, the "untermenschen".

So, when it comes to the crunch and contemporary young men are asked about WWII, its outbreak victims and aggressors, things are not as easy as it seems to be. Although the vast majority says that "Nazis started the war", answering the question "Who were the Nazis?", e.g. many students of the history faculty of the University of Washington say they were...Poles, adding that "In 1939, Polish Nazis invaded peaceful Polish Jews..." :(((((

Anyway, the Polish TV broadcast a documentary about it. The whole nation could see that with their own eyes. My God!!! It was shot in 2010 or so! In the very heart of the sole world's superpower! Answers given by the future intellectual elite of the USA!

So, I wouldn't be surprised at all if in the near future I was called "a son of Nazis", a son of those who on Sep.1,1939 invaded peaceful Germans, created hundreds of death camps etc. etc. etc.

34 posted on 09/01/2013 8:02:48 AM PDT by Matt_DZ_PL
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To: Kid Shelleen
It's Gliwice, not Gleiwitz, for Gods sake...
Although it's kind of funny how MSM still stick to Nazi terminology. FYI the first act of war took place in the city of Wieluń in Poland, that's the place where war really started (apart from Jabłonków incident).
35 posted on 09/01/2013 8:11:57 AM PDT by Verdelet (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori!)
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To: Matt_DZ_PL
This is one of the few things I hate in America - calling Hitler's Germans "Nazis". THEY WERE GERMANS. JUST GERMANS,

And Austrians......In fact, the Austrians were even WORSE than the Germans...Of course, Hitler was one of them.....Eichmann sent his formative years in Austria, Seyss-Inquart, Kaltenbrunner were born in Austria....but it seems no one remembers Austria's role.

36 posted on 09/01/2013 8:39:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
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And the "best" concentration camps guards came from Netherlands, Latvia and Romania... no consciousnes, no emotions, no guilt...
Perfect tools
37 posted on 09/01/2013 9:03:52 AM PDT by Verdelet (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori!)
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re: “...but it seems no one remembers Austria's role.”

You hit the nail on the head. In fact, Austrians were more sadistic and ruthless than Germans. Most of notorious war criminals from Hitler's regime were Austrians.

38 posted on 09/01/2013 9:04:45 AM PDT by Matt_DZ_PL
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Even before the Anschluss, the Austrian SS were so out of control, the Germans had to tell them to tone it down.


39 posted on 09/01/2013 9:05:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Verdelet
And the "best" concentration camps guards came from Netherlands, Latvia and Romania... no consciousnes, no emotions, no guilt... Perfect tools

Despotic regimes always use foreigners with no ties to the local population.

Makes you wonder with all of the illegals pouring into this country, if the spawn of them will one day serve as "camp guards".

40 posted on 09/01/2013 9:11:25 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kid Shelleen

Some argument can be made for the Marco Polo Bridge.


41 posted on 09/08/2013 4:03:23 PM PDT by PAR35
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